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obhavekenobi78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:28pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Talk about KAAAAAAAAWWAAAAAAAAZY, I just watched Empire last night and Yoda was trying to steal Luke's lantern! "Give it to me, or I will help you not!". Then he went on throwing his stuff around and smacking R2 with his cane! Way off subject, but it all proves that Yoda can in NO way be a clone of Sidious!?!? -----signature----- I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused.
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Mr Bungle Registered: Mar '99	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:28pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Grateful I am to have my name, albeit MISSPELLED, in the first post of this thread. Darth_Odious! Remember what I said about misspellings. They do you credit, but they could be made to serve the anti-cloners. -----signature----- "I'd buy THAT for a dollar!"
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:33pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	ROTFLOL!!! Actually, I wasn't thinking of you when I wrote that, but if the shoe fits...
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Yaddle12 Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:33pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread* - Date Edited: 6/7/02 2:37pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Yaddle12
	My point wasnt about them sensing the Sith, it was about the Sith's ability to cloud the minds of the Jedi. I don't think Sidious can do this from the other side of the planet, but Palpatine might be able to due to his close proximity.
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RogueTrader Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:35pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread* - Date Edited: 6/7/02 2:37pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RogueTrader
	Yes, Undomiel. The story is about the fall and redemption of Anakin. If a few jedi die along the way, those are the breaks. Watching the bad guys paste the Jedi is great simply because it makes me want to jump up, clutch my fist, and shout "YES" whenever Vader throws Palpatine down that shaft. Odius, I won't make them watch it in that order. I just think they will. -----signature----- Have you asked Emos-Edud about his clone theory lately? Have you asked Darth Howell III about his ghost & spycam lately?
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obhavekenobi78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:38pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Everytime somebody brings up the Sith clouding the Jedi's minds and subverting their powers I think of Sidious sitting in a room twiddling his thumbs and grunting (no I don't mean that). I don't think it is like that. I think Mace Windu and Qui-Gon tricked Poof into joining Dooku. Then Zam impersonated Sifo-Dyas and killed Aurra Sing and stole her speeder. Oh, and then Yoda..... I'm done. -----signature----- I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused.
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Darth_OlsenTwins Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:44pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	When is this supposed clone revelation to take place. Probably at the end of the movie, correct. But we would need some sort of explanation for the reasons for having a clone. The end of Ep. III has to cover a great deal of topics,: Anakin becomes Vader, Luke and Leia hidden, the duel to end all duels. The twist would have to be a climactic event. But in a movie that needs to use this valuable screen time, where would their be time to explain this stuff. And it does need explaining. Remember the "I am your father' line had to be explained and was explained via ROTJ. However, we no longer have the luxury of another movie to tie up loose ends. There are already a lot of loose ends to tie up and it doesn't seem possible to create another loose end and tie it up in the same movie. I don't think that there is going to be much screen time to make this possible. BTW hello everybody, I like the new thread. It looks nice, I especially like the carpeting. Who did the interior decorating? Need some drapes, though... -----signature----- I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:48pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Hey, have a seat. Do you need an ottoman? Actually, I picture it happening earlier than the end. I think the truth will be revealed earlier on, and the last part of the movie will be the struggle by the jedi to salvage what they can, and the conflict involving padme/obi/ani/sid(yoda can come, too, if he wants).
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obhavekenobi78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:50pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	from Yaddle12: "Has anyone noticed that in RotJ, the Emperor holds his hands in front of him, loosely, with his fingers dangling. Darth Sidious does the same thing, it is very obvious. But, Supreme Chancellor Palpatine does not. Any comments on this?" I found this on the Main Board under a different thread, but I found it interesting. It was also brought up that Palpy DOES hold his hands like Montgomery Burns when he is speaking with Anakin alone in his chambers. Could this just be a habbit Ian has, or do you think it is another small clue George is laying out there for us to over analyze? -----signature----- I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused.
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RogueTrader Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:51pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	I was just thinking, we may get an answer to all of this when the AOTC dvd comes out. I know many don't consider commentary canon but if George makes it painfully clear, I want to see the sad attempts on this thread to keep the clone theory alive. It's bound to be amusing. -----signature----- Have you asked Emos-Edud about his clone theory lately? Have you asked Darth Howell III about his ghost & spycam lately?
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RogueTrader Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:53pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Palpatine does hold his hands like that. Watch the Palpatine/Anakin scene in AOTC again. It's cool. -----signature----- Have you asked Emos-Edud about his clone theory lately? Have you asked Darth Howell III about his ghost & spycam lately?
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:59pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread* - Date Edited: 6/7/02 3:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Odious
	Rogue, "Sad attempts"? You do realize that post two here gave me the right to call you a weenie whenever you make a post like that. Weenie. Just kidding you. You know that I actually think they will be one and the same, don't you?
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LukeDuff Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 3:00pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	RogueTrader: I don't think it's that useful to argue the point about Palp/Sidious on the basis of what a person thinks is good story telling. GL has already shown himself able to put stuff in the movies that doesn't make sense or isn't necessary to the main story. Leia is Luke's sister. Anakin made C-3PO. It's all about execution anyway. Any goofy plot twist can be made plausible with the right writing. Ep3 could easily be written to show that the future Emperor, Sidious, is such a badass that he was able to take over the Republic by putting a clone in charge. This Palp/Sidious debate should be about facts.
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B1LL Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 6/7/02 3:04pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	This has been posted before, either in this thread or others similar to it. But just in case people missed it, here it is. (this should settle the debate even for the most die hard non-believers that Palpatine is Sidious.) From the starwars.com databank: "... With spoken regrets, Palpatine accepted the new mantle of power. He promised to return his absolute authority to the Senate after emergency subsided. What no one realized was that the galaxy would undergo further upheaval, and that a state of crisis would ensure Palpatine's authority for decades. Palpatine instituted a military build-up unprecedented in galactic history. He created the New Order, a Galactic Empire that ruled by tyranny. The Jedi Knights, his biggest threat, were extinguished by his greatest dark side pupil: Anakin Skywalker, who had become Darth Vader. During the Galactic Civil War, Palpatine ruled with an iron fist. He disbanded the Imperial Senate, and passed control down to the regional governors and the military. During the Hoth campaign, Palpatine expressed to Vader his concerns over Luke Skywalker, a young Rebel powerful in the Force. Vader suggested that the two convert the youth to the dark side of the Force, an idea the Emperor seconded. The Emperor was a scheming ruler, planning events far in the future, using the Force to foresee the results. Palpatine allowed Rebel spies to learn of the location of the second Death Star, and foresaw their strike team and fleet assault. Palpatine crafted an elaborate trap that was to be the end of the Rebellion. He also concentrated on converting Luke Skywalker to the dark side of the Force, even at the expense of sacrificing Vader. In the Death Star, high above the Battle of Endor, Luke refused the Emperor's newfound dark side power, and so Palpatine used his deadly Force lightning to attack the young Jedi. Luke almost died in the assault, but his father, Darth Vader, returned to the light side of the Force, and hurled the Emperor into the Death Star's reactor core, killing him. Palpatine was a gnarled, old man. An ancient-looking human, he had pale skin, and searing, sickly yellow eyes. He wore a heavy dark cloak, and carried a glossy black cane."
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Mr Bungle Registered: Mar '99	Date Posted: 6/7/02 3:05pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Roguetrader, you appear awfully alone with your views here. But we all appreciate them. Really. Anyway, I don't see something like this taking that much time in Episode III. I see it almost being along the lines of "It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator...Oh...I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive....<snicker>" in ROTJ. I -really- don't see this taking up more than a few minutes.... -----signature----- "I'd buy THAT for a dollar!"
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