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Author Topic: Did Luke use force choke?
Dmasterman 
Registered: Dec '08
Date Posted: 12/18/08 11:26pm Subject: Did Luke use force choke?
((Forgive me if this was previously asked sad ))


In ROTJ, when Luke first enters Jabba's palace, he neutralizes the Gammereon Guards by pointing to each of their necks, in doing so the guards back away holding their necks gagging.

First, isn't this a dark side move, and wouldn't it 'taint' him?

Second, how the heck did he learn it? I'm quite sure Yoda didn't teach him that, and I can't recall Luke ever witnessing Vader choke someone.

 
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_Sublime_Skywalker_  3874 posts
Registered: May '04
6209_Max Rebo
Date Posted: 12/18/08 11:29pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
I think it's kinda like a watered down version of the force choke. It appears Luke just knocks the wind out of them by giving their necks a quick squeeze.

 

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Lexi  1791 posts
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Date Posted: 12/18/08 11:50pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
I think it is used to show how close to the Dark Side Luke really was. He shows up at Jabba's palace all dressed in black and uses the Force choke. But one big different is that he didn't use it to kill the gamorrean guard, just to disable him.

 

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halibut  26821 posts
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Date Posted: 12/19/08 12:59am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
Luke implanted a naked image of Cher into their brains. The guards' reaction is simply them trying not to vomit.

 

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JEDIGUNSHIP  16954 posts
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Date Posted: 12/19/08 10:23am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
Lexi posted:
I think it is used to show how close to the Dark Side Luke really was. He shows up at Jabba's palace all dressed in black and uses the Force choke. But one big different is that he didn't use it to kill the gamorrean guard, just to disable him.


Yep. He made sure just to disable the guards, not to try to kill them. Also, the black is imagery of his precariousness to the Dark Side.

 

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DarthBoba  33059 posts
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Date Posted: 12/19/08 11:32am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
It's also symbolic of Luke's determination, and progression in his training.

In ANH he's all in white, an idealistic young man who simply wants to help people.

In TESB he's becoming conflicted; what seemed like a fairly simple world is now a whole lot more complex. He wears grey.

And, finally, in ROTJ, Luke has decided what he wants, and wears solid black to represent that he's made up his mind and means business.

 

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Darthbane2007  1380 posts
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13725_Lando and Han
Date Posted: 12/19/08 11:48am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
halibut posted:
Luke implanted a naked image of Hillary Clinton into their brains. The guards' reaction is simply them trying not to vomit.


Fixed.

 
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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 12/19/08 12:04pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
DarthBoba posted:
It's also symbolic of Luke's determination, and progression in his training.

In ANH he's all in white, an idealistic young man who simply wants to help people.

In TESB he's becoming conflicted; what seemed like a fairly simple world is now a whole lot more complex. He wears grey.

And, finally, in ROTJ, Luke has decided what he wants, and wears solid black to represent that he's made up his mind and means business.


Yep. It's also worth pointing out that Lucas was considering making what Luke wears in RotJ into the 'Jedi uniform' from at least 1982 to pre-production on Episode 1(as shown here.) He's also said it was supposed to be 'Vaderish', but I don't know that it's supposed to reflect Luke's inner darkness(though retroactively one could say that it does.)

 

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condav 
Registered: Dec '08
Date Posted: 12/19/08 6:14pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
it could have been like a pressure point thing. it could also be showing how luke is still susceptible to giving into Vader and joining the dark side, which he obviously never does but still...

 
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Arawn_Fenn  10379 posts
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Date Posted: 12/19/08 9:40pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
Master_Starwalker posted:
He's also said it was supposed to be 'Vaderish', but I don't know that it's supposed to reflect Luke's inner darkness


Aren't those tantamount to one another?

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 12/19/08 11:45pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
That would depend on what aspect of Vader it was supposed to be reminiscent of. If it was his power, no. If it was his evil, yes.

 

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dvdcdr  564 posts
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Date Posted: 12/21/08 8:52am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
Yoda also did something very similar in ROTS to the guards in palpatine's office. In both cases, I think it was just to disable them.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10379 posts
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46079_Darth Plagueis
Date Posted: 12/21/08 9:39am Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
I thought that was a Force Strike, rather than a choke.

 

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TwiLekJedi  70041 posts
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Date Posted: 12/21/08 1:50pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
though you could say a little controlled windpipe manipulation is safer than smacking people into a wall - those helmets always seemed more ceremonial than practical wink

 

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halibut  26821 posts
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Date Posted: 12/21/08 1:57pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
To be fair, Yoda was pretty pissed tongue

 

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TwiLekJedi  70041 posts
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Date Posted: 12/21/08 2:26pm Subject: RE: Did Luke use force choke?
aye, very different motivation, but I'm just saying Luke could have done worse tongue

 

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