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FTeik Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 1/20/04 4:16am Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	What i always wonder, when the topic of the WDs comes up, are those things able to transform matter or not? Like turning silicates into iron and so on? A TIE-fighter made of sand wouldn´t be very useful, don´t you think. If they can, that would seriously limit the need for ores, mines and so on. -----signature----- My first completet story: Pride's Prize: http://boards.theforce.net/message.aspx?topic=22758760 "In the Battle of Coruscant alone, hundreds of millions of battle droids saw action on the ground and in space. " Insider #86 - The story of General Grievous
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Pelranius Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 1/20/04 6:49am Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Well, the molecular furnances on the WD aren't exactly to be found on some twentieth rate orbit asteroid smelter. I wonder why no one every tried to duplicate the molecular smelters, they would have been very good for gathering resources (to say nothing of rebuilding Coruscant) -----signature----- Fleet Junkie and Proud! Fics: Destiny's Inferno (TTT/DE AU) And the Skywalker Saga KOTOR Style Updated 7/24/06 see bio for details
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FTeik Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 1/20/04 1:08pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Perhaps they limit themself by ethics. "Sorry for marching over the thousands of people who lived here, but hey, they should make a good basement for our new skyscraper." -----signature----- My first completet story: Pride's Prize: http://boards.theforce.net/message.aspx?topic=22758760 "In the Battle of Coruscant alone, hundreds of millions of battle droids saw action on the ground and in space. " Insider #86 - The story of General Grievous
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President_Sharky Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/20/04 2:04pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	I just read a copy of SotG at my local Chapters and I noticed something curious. Apparently the ISDII costs only ~144,000,000 credits, while the DSD costs ~168,000,000 credits. So apparently the New Republic's new SD was more expensive, despite being less crew intensive. The book also said that the DSD was the "ultimate" Star Destroyer, capable of single-handedly taking on any class of large ship (MC series, ISDs, VSDs), 2 medium-sized ships (Majestic-class, Dreadnought, Vindicator) and a whole fleet of small ships (Carracks, Nebs, Gunships, etc...). The key to its success was that it had manoeuvring thrusters along its flanks, making it more nimble than the ISD. The reason why there aren't so many of them is because they're pretty expensive for their size, and I would venture to guess that it's also because the NR military was not exatly making a large expansion after the surrender of the IR. Oh and for other costs: MC90: ~138,000,000 credits VSDI: 55,000,000 credits VSDII: 50,000,000 credits Interdictor: 48,000,000 credits BAC: 57,000,000 credits SSD: ~1,200,000,000 credits Dreadnought: ~30,000,000 credits BTW, I re-read the EC, and I have found no trace of this quote where it is stated that the New-class vessel production was halted. -----signature----- Wipe out the trolls. All of them. Official Fleet Junkie
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KansasNavy Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 1/20/04 2:59pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Do you think the Dauntless is a Republic-class Cruiser, or an older model? -----signature----- So drink one more round on me Let’s sing an old melody Hold your drinks up high, and toast the night Hold your baby strong, help me sing that old song I think that one more drink, might do me right
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 1/20/04 3:52pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess... - Date Edited: 1/20/04 3:53pm (1 edits total) Edited By: AdmiralNick22
	President_Sharky: Well, you are correct. I just re read it myself, and I found no paragraph that says the New Class was discontinued. But, the New Class most likely was confined to the Fifth Fleet. Heres my hypothesis why: Firstly, because we literally have not seen any New Class vessels since the BFC. Now, that can be atributed to the EU authors simply not using them, but I tend to be of the opinion that they were replaced by even better vessels. Now, we know for sure that the Defender class SD was a very limited production vessel. Cracken's Threat Dossier says that only 10 were in commission during the BFC, with one more a year until the program finished. When shipyards like Mon Calamari and Kuat and popping out other ships by the hundreds, it is hard for the Defender class to keep up. Also, after the Peace Treaty with the Empire, the NR began to decommission some of its warships while at the same time it commissioned new ships, like the Bothan Assault Cruiser, Ranger gunship, and the Mon Calamari Mediator class battlecruiser. Anyway, until we are told otherwise, the New Class could technically by under construction. Of course, even if they are, the ships would be drawfed in numbers by the more common capital ships produced and used by the NR/GA fleet. In the NJO, we see that Mon Calamari cruisers (of various classes), Bothan Assault cruisers, and Star Destroyers (various classes) are the most common warships in the Fleet. So, anyway, I guess the most simple answer is that we don't know for sure. We all just assumed they were because of their lack of use. Hope that ramble helps. Kansas_Navy: Are you refering to the Dauntless that was in SbS and TUF? If so, we still don't know for sure what it is. It is obviously not a Star Destroyer or Mon Cal cruiser, since if it was it would of been described as one. My guess would be that it is some sort of cruiser. Perhaps a Majestic class heavy cruiser, or another type of warship? In fact, one of us Fleet Junkies biggest gripes is that the authors named many ships in the NJO, but neglected to describe the class. Another great example of this is the heavy cruiser Yald. Awhile back we all complied a list of all the named warships in the NJO, including New Republic/Galactic Alliance, Imperial Remnant, Hapan, and Yuuzhan Vong. I forget what page it was on, but if you guys want it I will try to dig it up. --Adm. Nick -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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Commissar_Cromwell Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/20/04 3:57pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	hello all, I am kind of new around here, but I have a rather important question about hyperdrive jumps. I had no idea and TonG said to ask here. I want to know what would happen if, say a shuttle, were to jump directly into a capital ship, say a vic star. TonG told me that when going into hyper space a ship accelerates to just over light speed and then enters hyperspace, if this is true then the result of a shuttle hitting a capitalship would be, to say the least, devastating. Please remeber that the ship is not actually in hyperspace, just going very very fast in real space. Cromwell -----signature----- First Commissar of the ACG Empire Archdeacon of the Church of Simony Commanded of His Majesty King Ton_G's Imperial Expansionary Force Knight of the Oblong Table Knight of the Order of the Shower
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Ton_G Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/20/04 4:20pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Ah yes, the Yald this why we need another sourcebook! Mybe it is the Bigger Brother to the Republic class cruiser...seing as it is a heavy... -----signature----- /___/___/___///////////////////////////___/___///// /////___/////___/___////__//____////___//////////// ////___/////__////___////___//___////___/___/////// ///___/////___/___///____ //__////___/___///////
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 1/20/04 5:05pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Ton_G: We need a new NJO sourcebook like a fish needs water. Unfortunately we will probably never see one. Commissar_Cromwell: Welcome to the JC Lit Boards!! Any friend of Ton's is a friend of ours. As to your question, I am not sure. I imagine that if the VSD had its shields up that it could withstand the hit. Now, if the VSD was caught with its shields down, and the shuttle hit the main reactor blub, then perhaps it couls cause some severe damage. -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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Commissar_Cromwell Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/20/04 5:12pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess... - Date Edited: 1/20/04 5:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Commissar_Cromwell
	assuming its shields about 80-90 percent and the shuttle was aiming for the shield generators.... This all comes from a role playing game. My ISD has shields 60, primary hanger is gone and my under side weapons are offline. (Please do not make me get into how this happened, all I have to say is YES SENSORS READ THROUGH SHIELDS of a shuttle full of explosives!). any way.....I have been shooting at a vic star for about 40 mins game time, I am losing and needed something to even the tablesm hence the shuttle trick. All I was hoping for was to at least bring his shields down lower. Second question, what would happen if an ISD hyperjumped into an unshielded planet. I know the ship would not actually make it into hyperspace, but it would get very close to the speed of light..... ideas? -----signature----- First Commissar of the ACG Empire Archdeacon of the Church of Simony Commanded of His Majesty King Ton_G's Imperial Expansionary Force Knight of the Oblong Table Knight of the Order of the Shower
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 1/20/04 5:14pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	I would go and post this question to the RPG boys of the JC boards. They would probably know for sure. -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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Commissar_Cromwell Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/20/04 5:17pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	TonG said that this was a more credible source -----signature----- First Commissar of the ACG Empire Archdeacon of the Church of Simony Commanded of His Majesty King Ton_G's Imperial Expansionary Force Knight of the Oblong Table Knight of the Order of the Shower
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AdmiralNick22 Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 1/20/04 5:19pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	Well, the RPG boys are used to cooking up thoughts on how to destroy ships. My point is, something that may not work in the actual EU books may be allowed in a RPG game. Now, if you managed to pack that Lambada with explosives and soem anti-matter...... -----signature----- Fleet Junkie Founding Father Official Greatest Admiral Ackbar Fan "A peaceful Galactic Alliance is the strongest pillar of a peaceful galaxy." - Luke Skywalker "I will surrender, Admiral, when I can no longer fight!" - Admiral Gar Stazi A New Hope
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Commissar_Cromwell Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/20/04 5:23pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	what about isd into planet? -----signature----- First Commissar of the ACG Empire Archdeacon of the Church of Simony Commanded of His Majesty King Ton_G's Imperial Expansionary Force Knight of the Oblong Table Knight of the Order of the Shower
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Pelranius Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 1/20/04 10:15pm Subject: RE: New Republic capital ships [Black Fleet to NJO] - sorting out the mess...
	It wouldn't work at sublight speeds because the gravitational shadow of the planet would yank your Star Destroyer out of hyperspace. I wonder if the Remnant has anything similar to the DSD (the weapons load doesn't seem that much different. I thought SSDs would cost considerably more) -----signature----- Fleet Junkie and Proud! Fics: Destiny's Inferno (TTT/DE AU) And the Skywalker Saga KOTOR Style Updated 7/24/06 see bio for details
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