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Author Topic: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
LottDodd  4152 posts
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Date Posted: 8/12/04 7:48pm Subject: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
The Prequel Trilogy has Dealt More with the Consequences of War than the OT Did in that the Original Trillogy Basiclly Dealt With its More Heroic Aspects...

Naturally The EU Has Followed Suit, Nearly Everything I Have Read or Seen of The Clone Wars Has Been Quite Grim Indeed.

Were the Attrocities Committed by Both the Seperatists and the Republic Greater than the Attrocities Committed by the Empire, In It's Full GLory, In Supressing of the Uprising Against it's Will?

Did Dooku's Droid Army Inflict More Suffering on The Worlds they Controlled than Vader's Stormtroopers?

Were the Clone Wars More Widespread than the Rebellion to Overthrow the Empire?

 

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That_Wascally_Droid  10276 posts
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Date Posted: 8/12/04 8:41pm Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR? - Date Edited: 8/13/04 2:44am (1 edits total) Edited By: CrazyMike
I'd estimate that since the Clone Wars were fought by two full-bodied governing bodies
In terms of scale, I'd say the Clone Wars were way way bigger. Compare Geonosis to Hoth. Huge. But I think the Civil War brought about more change.

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Lars_Muul  10129 posts
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Date Posted: 8/13/04 12:03am Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
TWD: Your highlight didn't work. I thank you angry

 
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fosh-bantus88  2601 posts
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Date Posted: 8/13/04 1:28am Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
the clone wars were far more destructive than the civil war.

in the clone wars, 2 soverign bodies are waging conventional warfare with thousands of star systems on each side.

the galactic civil war was more of an insurrection against an establishment. more hit and run style combat without long, costly engagements.

 

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That_Wascally_Droid  10276 posts
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Date Posted: 8/13/04 2:15am Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
Awww geez...! I'm sorry! I meant to preview it before I posted, but just forgot! Well at least you know I did try!
I'll get a mod on it pronto!

 

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BaronFel88  21479 posts
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Date Posted: 8/13/04 2:21am Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
Yes, but keep in mind the Republic didn't have to use actual citizens. The Clone Wars lacked a 'human' element, as clones were fighting droids. The Civil War did, as actual people volunteered for the Rebellion, and many friends and family members were split apart. The Battle of Hoth shows real people dying, not some clones from a lab.

 

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Lars_Muul  10129 posts
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Date Posted: 8/13/04 8:01am Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR? - Date Edited: 8/13/04 8:02am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lars_Muul
TWD: That's OK, I already forgot wink

Maybe the Clone War involved more civilized worlds, but the Civil War concerned more citizens.
I don't know if I made any sense there, but as BaronFel said, there were actual citizens involved in the battles, not droids and clones. Also, the Empire had control over the entire galaxy. It was much bigger than the Republic.
The Civil War was also a rebellion against an evil Empire, while the Clone War was an evil rebellion against a good Republic. I think that the Clone War feels more focused. It's concentrated on the Separatist worlds, while the Galactic Rebellion rises here and there throughout the galaxy.

Hmm, strange post. I hope you got something out of it.

 
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LottDodd  4152 posts
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Date Posted: 8/13/04 9:24am Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
Still These Battles Did Not Just Take Place Between Clones and Droids... The two Superpowers Often Clashed on Inhabbitted Worlds with Indiginous Populations. Droid Occupation and Clone Occupation would both have a Cold way of Dealing with "Civilians" in this war...

 

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That_Wascally_Droid  10276 posts
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Date Posted: 8/13/04 2:40pm Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
Also with the Civil War, a great deal matters with your view on the EU and a very distinct point.
If you follow Georgy, then half the side during the Civil War was clones. If you follow EU, then only one or two were clones and the rest were recruits tongue
As for the Clone Wars involving no real people, the clones and droids were commanded by people. Jedi on the battlefields and commanders etc in space. Plus, you have the civilian casualties to think about.
This really is a tough call.
In the end, the Galaxy lost more with the Clone Wars because the Sith took over. And the Galaxy certainly gained more with the Civil War as balance was brought to the Force.

On a personal note, this is tough for me to argue with as I really like the Clone Wars Campaigne(sp) EU, but don't really get much into the Post RotJ EU as the galaxy wasn't even liberated with RotJ.
So, in my mind, I can choose one and not the other, but with an argument it doesn't work that way at all.

 

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fosh-bantus88  2601 posts
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Date Posted: 8/13/04 2:43pm Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
since when are cloned human beings not human beings? confused

 

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DarthBoba  33340 posts
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Date Posted: 8/13/04 2:57pm Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
I'd say the clone war. Look at the marked change in appearance between the start of Episode II and when we see the galaxy post-clone war in Episode IV. It's like Europe pre-WWII and Europe in 1945.

 

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Lars_Muul  10129 posts
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Date Posted: 8/13/04 9:42pm Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
since when are cloned human beings not human beings?

Since they were CG wink

 
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BaronFel88  21479 posts
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Date Posted: 8/16/04 10:50pm Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
One of the things I like about EU are the stories involved in the Civil War. Like Soontir Fel being 'forced' to join the Empire, seeing his two best students defect and eventually defecting on his own. Or Veers' son (or other relative?) who served the Alliance.

 

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Fingolfin_Noldor  2444 posts
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Date Posted: 8/18/04 8:32am Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
If you go by the EU, the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion is the worst the galaxy had seen since the Sith jousted with the Republic for power.

If you were to judge between the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War, the Clone Wars would be the one. It consumed lots of worlds, but I don't think we even know the full scale of the Galactic Civil War. The Empire was notorious for Base Delta Zero and who knows how many planets were the victims of orbital bombardment by Star Destroyers?

I'm not sure if "Good" would be an apt tagging for the Republic, given that the ruler of the Republic is slated to declare the entire galaxy his fiefdom and himself its monarch.

 

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LottDodd  4152 posts
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Date Posted: 8/18/04 8:36pm Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
How Does the Destruction of Alderaan Rank in the Attrocities in Both Wars..?

 

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BaronFel88  21479 posts
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Date Posted: 8/18/04 10:55pm Subject: RE: Were THE GREAT CLONE WARS Any More Brutal Than THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR?
Depends. A comparison could be made between Alderaan and the Lusitania from WWI.

 

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