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What happened to the "Military" types after ANH?
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FirstStarWars
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11/12/04 3:31pm
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What happened to the "Military" types after ANH?
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In ANH we see a lot of those "military" type men. Tarkin and the others on the Death Star. It was like Vader and The Emperor was the Vice Pres and Pres but those guys ran the show for the most part. They hard orders but they were that planned it all out. They were the Military of the Empire. They problem plans all the orders given out by The Emperor. However by Empire and Jedi we don't really see those Military types anymore. Sure we have the offcers on board ships but they dont seem the have the high level decision making skills that those Death Star guys did.
What happened to them and there someone power with in the Empire.
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That_Wascally_Droid
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11/12/04 3:48pm
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Well Jerjerrod was a Moff wasn't he?
I think you're confusing military types with government types?
Cause we see tons of military types, but run slim on government types in ESB and RotJ. I'd assume they're still in their regions living like kings until they piss off Palps.
Without the Empire, they'd have no power and I'd imagine the Regional Governors were overthrown by the populace.
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Darth_Falcon
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11/12/04 10:43pm
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Ozzel in ESB made important decisions - he wasn't even going to tell Vader about what Piett discovered. Veers also asked him for permission after Vader gave him an order.
Piett was also pretty much in command of the fleet both ESB and ROTJ. He took care of the pursuit of the Falcon and the blockade at Endor.
But like there person above me says i think you're confusing Government with Military types. Peter Cushing also had no idea what a Grand Moff was. I think Lucas confused so many people with this he didn't make mention to them again in any other movies.
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ScoutTrooper
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11/13/04 1:49pm
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In many ways that's one of the things I feel has been lacking in the PT, ie no real visible evidence of the Empire's beginnings. Sure, we've seen Sidious/Palpatine's machinations to gain control of the senate, and the establishment of the clonetroopers, but we haven't seen the genesis of the military yet. Most of the Admirals/Moffs in the OT are about 40ish (guessing here based on physical appearance), so they must be around during AOTC/ROTS.
I know GL has had to cram a heck of a lot of background into the PT, and it's probably not top of his list of concerns, but I'd like to see more of the build up to the Imperial Navy/Starfleet.
Hopefully I'm jumping the gun a bit and ROTS will address this.
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4LOM
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I think there were lots of Moffs but not too many Grand Moffs. Grand Moffs were governors of particular regions of space, just like Moffs, but with even more power. They could move into just about any region in the galaxy and impose their authority on everyone there. Tarkin was given a mobile base (the Death Star) and authority to enforce the Empire's will however he saw fit with it.
In ESB, there is no situation that requires a Tarkin analogue character. I'm sure they are all out there, mostly enforcing the Empire's will in their particular sectors, but our "Imperial focus" in ESB is on the hunt for the rebel base. Obviously, Vader's fleet bas been assembled and assigned that task.
In ROTJ, Jerjerrod is just like Tarkin. He is managing the Death Star construction and commands it in battle. If the Death Star hadn't been destroyed, he maybe would have taken it out enforcing the Empire's will just like Tarkin did.
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MILK-HANDS
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After the disaster of the Death Star, the Emperor probably had serious misgivings regarding the military component of the Empire being given too free a hand. Vader seems to have been carte blanche to execute anyone who he considerd a failure, and essentially given absolute command over the Imperial Fleet.
That, and the fact that capturing Luke became much more important than even crushing the Rebellion.
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STG_Mudshark
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According to the Star Wars Encycoldeia, alot of those (in the famous "your lack of faith is disterbing" breifing room scne in ANH) higher up went down with the Death Star.
So a few chain of command ceremonies were in order after that. New command, same stupid regulations. And a few new ones.
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GMTarkin
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11/19/04 5:47am
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> In ROTJ, Jerjerrod is just like Tarkin. He is managing the Death Star construction and commands it in battle. If the Death Star hadn't been destroyed, he maybe would have taken it out enforcing the Empire's will just like Tarkin did.
Not really, Jerjerrod came across as simply the project manager, the Emperor really takes the place of Tarkin - giving the orders to fire etc.. jerjerrod was maybe more akin to Motti and was only a Moff, not a Grand Moff. If the Emperor wasn' there I would imagine he would have assigned a Grand Modd or similar to command DSII once completed.
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SarahsXbassist
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We must remember gentlebeings, that the Empire was galaxy spanning. Thousands if not millions of worlds to rule with an iron fist. Their brutal subjugation of the other worlds and the defense of their holdings takes much of the man power. Plus there were other rebel cells and uprisings to be put down. The military higher ups were overseeing these conflicts all over the galaxy. Besides, with both the commander in chief and his right-hand man AND the commander of the fleet in one place, having more would be rather pointless wouldn't it?
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Dark Lady Mara
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Yes, very true. And since the Executor was Vader's flagship after all, I'm not sure how many other people should have been on it questioning his ideas.
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DarthDevastatus
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Jerjerrod is not a Moff. He was in a draft of REVENGE of the Jedi but after a few rewrites he was demoted to Commander. Go back and watch the movie...Vader never refers to Jerjerrod as Moff. Of course neither was Tarkin refered to as a Moff BUT he was a regional govenor and since the emperor disbanded the senate, he was given more power. If you've ever read the draft of Revenge of the Jedi, you'd see that as a Moff, Jerjerrod had much more influence over Vader.
Another thing...why do so many people think that Vader is second in command of the Empire? Nothing in the movies indicates this. Just because Vader is a Sith doesn't mean squat IMO. There must ALWAYS be 2 Sith and that's about as far as it goes it seems to me. There is no 2nd in command in the Empire. Palpatine is the one who makes the calls and that's where it ends. The buck stops at the emperor. Vader is just another underling. YES..an underling who sells alot of toys and looks cool but still just another peg in Palpatines empire.
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Darthdias
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2/1/05 1:52pm
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Do you mean the actual navy rank of Commander? That seems a little low to me. If a navy captain (a higher rank than commander) is in charge of a Star Destroyer, then the leader of the Death Star should at least be an admiral. Jerjerrod is credited as a Moff.
If you look closely, Jerjerrod does act like a Moff. Yes, he seems scared but that's because he's a pansy. Vader never gives an order to Jerjerrod, only mere suggestions and telling him the Emperor's opinion, indicating that Vader's influence over Jerjerrod is limited. And when Vader tells him that production is behind schedule, does Jerjerrod say "Yes sir, we'll speed up construction". No. He actually speaks back to Vader. It is only after he is informed that the Emperor himself is comeing that Jerjerrod submits to Vader's request.
by the way, I agree fully that Vader isn't the secound in command. He's just an enforcer to me.
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Jodus
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Jerjerrod was actually a moff, not a Grand moff, but a moff nonetheless. Just checking the Unofficial encyclopedia, the reference to the rank of Commander is mostly an honourary one. Given out due to his being in charge of the station. He was a government official in the Quanta sector (where ever the hell that is). And was chosen because the Emperor wanted someone a bit more spineless than Tarkin to run this death star.
And I quote:
"He was chosen for the position because Palpatine wanted to avoid the hubris that killed Wilhuf Tarkin and lost the first Death Star. Jerjerrod was a contented, non-ambitious sort of man, and fit Palpatine's bill perfectly." (Unoff. encycl.)
If I remember correctly, Tarkin was planning to use the Death Star to usurp the emperor or something like that. Vader was likely there to keep an eye on him, as well as being instructed to do as Tarkin says. In his capacity, I believe Vader was considered the executor to the Empire (Palpatine). Where he would carry out the wishes of the Emperor and would have authority over others unless otherwise stated.
Vaders position may have also changed somewhat from ANH to ESB. There was a thread a lil while ago concerning how he was so subserviant in ANH, then was barking orders around the fleet in ESB.
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Master_Rebado
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The OS website lists Jerjerrod as a Moff and not a "Commander"
He's Moff Jerjerrod in the list of cast and crew for ROTJ:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-vi/bts/castcrew.html
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DarthDevastatus
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So? Just because he's refered to as a Moff in anything doesn't take away the fact that he's a chump in the movie, which obviously Tarkin wasn't!!
You FOOLS! Can no one challege me? Do you not see the same movies I do!
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