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Lord-Vegas
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12/1/04 5:31am
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Would Vader have been able to run the Empire on his own???
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Sorry I dont know if this has already been discussed but I couldnt find anything on the search...
To me he always seemed a follow. He was a slave then a follower of the Jedi Knights then a follower of the Emperor. Would he have had the grand scheme strategy if the Emperor had been killed?
I also wonder if he would be anti-alien like the Emperor as most of his friends through his life were aliens
Any thoughts
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DarthBoba
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There's no real proof that the Emperor was anti-alien. But anyways..
Don't see why not. Notice how most of his strategies in the OT worked out pretty good. Vader's no dummy.
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DarthLassic007
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Tarkin would have ran the Empire better than both Palpatine and Vader.
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DarthBoba
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Tarkin was even more arrogant than either of them.
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Errant_Venture
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I think Vader would've been able to run the Empire on his own, it probably would under-go some changes for better or worse, but I think he'd be able to run the government. He was Palpatines second in command, the political and military figures all feared the man, then again, they also feared the Emperor. One thing about Vader though, he isn't into all the political backstabbing and secrets, he'd be more straight foward, which may actually help the Empire. Of course if he assumed command, he may not be as willing to execute people who dissapointed him as then he'd have to find competant replacements.
He also seems to be the kind of man who wouldn't waste extravagent funds on superweapons, when an extra fleet or two of Star Destroyer's does the job of keeping the peace at a much cheaper price.
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Nope. Vader would micromanage a bit too much I think.
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GMTarkin
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> Tarkin would have ran the Empire better than both Palpatine and Vader.
I agree, Tarkin would have made a very good emperor. Margret Thatcher in trousers, but a bit less ruthless!
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SHAUN-FOREVER
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"Tarkin would have ran the Empire better than both Palpatine and Vader"
Based on what? he was just as over confident as Palpatine, otherwise he would have left the first Death Star.
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DarthLassic007
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The Imperials would be more loyal to Tarkin than they would be with Vader and Palpatine. Instead of following orders more by fear they would have been following orders because of the respect they had for Tarkin.
If there was a vote taken of all the Imperials such as men like Motti and Tagge, they probably would rather have Tarkin in power.
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Well, Anakin led a few assaults during the Clone Wars and even more under the Empire.
He also had fairly set views on how things should be ran. I think whereas Palpatine liked to play with his 'toys' so to speak, Vader would've executed any weasle's the second he caught wind of it. Palpatine was a master manipulator. Vader was do as I say or die kinda guy.
Plus, if he usurped Palpatine, chances are, he'd have Luke on his side. Luke would be an extremely powerful ally.
If he had Luke, he might have had Leia eventually too. That would indeed be a dark day for the galaxy.
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I don't think Vader had, perhaps, the scope of vision that Palpatine had that made him so great, but his lack of excessively sadistic qualities and arrogant that poisoned the emperor may have helped him out. (Vader can be a real nasty one, but even he is able to pick up when the rebels are suddenly providing ample threat in ANH.) He seemed to do just fine commanding the main Star Destroyer fleet in ESB. I'm curious as to what Anakin's psychology regarding all of it is. To me, Palpatine wanted to dominate and rule. Vaderkin just wanted to control rather than dominate; it was a simply a means he used to gain control. There is a distinct difference between control and domination.
The Imperials would be more loyal to Tarkin than they would be with Vader and Palpatine. Instead of following orders more by fear they would have been following orders because of the respect they had for Tarkin.
What? This is Tarkin. This is the man who's motto is ruling by enforcement of fear rather than enforcement itself. To be honest, he scares the hell out of me more than Vader ever did. Vader at least has to be feeling pissy or have motivation to really hurt you.
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Grand Moff Tarkin is the galactic equivalent of a governor in the Empire. While his skills in the political and economic fields would be superior to that of Lord Vader’s, he lacks the tactical knowledge and skill to rule a military dictatorship.
Darth Vader commanded the respect of the Imperial Navy and, by Empire, was apparently acting with independent authority. His command of the death squadron placed him in one of the most powerful military positions in the Empire. Also, his closeness to Palpatine would provide political clout amongst the Moffs.
With Vader in charge I would assume we would see the Imperial Navy asserting itself in the galaxy. Grand Admiral Thrawn would have more than likely been recalled from the unknown regions to aide in the Navy command structure. The Admirals, Generals, and Moffs who rebelled after Palpatine’s death would more than likely remain loyal with Vader still around.
Also, Vader would garner more respect from the Imperial Navy than any other replacement, besides Thrawn, would be able to. Vader actually commanded from the deck of a Star Destroyer. He did not dictate from a throne. Military men hold more respect for a leader willing to serve on the front lines.
Vader could also revitalize the Sith Empire if he wished. Assuming Luke survived Endor, he might fall to the dark side as he did in Dark Empire, and together Vader and Luke could turn Liea. The Emperor’s hands, like Mara Jade, might be prospective adepts as well.
The Empire has an existing command structure, which merely requires a strong, respected, and feared ruler.
I’m sure that, if Vader stepped into Palpatine’s place, he would be the undisputed heir.
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No way.
The Emperor used the dark-side to control the fleet in battle.
Vadar was weaker in the force than the Emperor - he was too soft as well 
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> Grand Moff Tarkin is the galactic equivalent of a governor in the Empire. While his skills in the political and economic fields would be superior to that of Lord Vader’s, he lacks the tactical knowledge and skill to rule a military dictatorship.
What makes you say that? By all accounts Tarkin is masterful tactician.
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I do agree that Tarkin could have managed the Empire, afterall he was a key in the Empire. I think Vader could have but would he have? Did he really care if there was an Empire?
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Yeah, who was unable to capture 4 rebels and an senior-citizen Jedi on his own turf.
I know if I was a stormie by respect for Vader would've exploded after the Battle of Hoth..executes his Admiral for doing something that'd cause excess casualties, leading the main footbound force in personally...that's the kinda stuff you dream about when it comes to a good leader.
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