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Guy-Gone_Weird Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 1/12/05 1:25pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/12/05 1:36pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Guy-Gone_Weird
	I agree with h0ly123, except I still think the scene where the Emperor dissolves the Senate would give us a glimpse into an aspect of the Star Wars Universe we won't officially see otherwise: how the Emperor runs the Empire. We assume that he's all dictatorial and evil and stuff, but what if he manipulates like in the PT? As far as we know at this point, (until ROTS comes out), it is completely plausible that Palpatine can still [EP3 SPOILER!] alter his physical appearance by using the midichlorian technichue he learned from his master Darth Plagueis. Of course we don't know about any of that yet until we see ROTS. Either way, it would really show us (beyond just implications) why the Empire is so tyrannical. I mean if Palps just goes evil and stuff, you'd think that everyone would leave the Senate. So basically, I think it would be awesome to have this scene, plus it would probably go during the fade out gap between when Luke takes the droids inside and when you see C-3PO going into the oil bath. And it would bring in the Emperor in the only missing episode in a way that still keeps him as an ominous figure. To reply to DamianSkywalker's post in the ROTS thread: Boy where to start ANH 1) Show the deleted scene with Luke at beggars canyon 2) Vader/Obi-Wan duel- redo the whole thing. Sorry but i dont buy the too old arguement. Yoda was 800 years old in AOTC.... Make it closure to the Dooku/Anakin duel. 3) enhanced the light saber 4) maybe add a line to vader chasing Luke. Something like. I sense something I havent sense in sometime.. 5) Change the stormtroopers.. I would CG every stormtrooper and make them more like Clonetroopers in AOTC....Cant stand the fact that Stormtroopers had the worse aim... ESB 1) Add more imperial walkers and ships to the Hoth battle (similar to the fight on Genosis) 2) Yoda training luke: I would like to see some combat training between Luke and yoda 3) CG YODA 4) Extend the duel between Luke and Vader. Make the combat scene more extensive and fierce... Sorry but how in the world can vader look like a cripple in ANH but look 100% faster and stronger in ESB? 5) In light of the spoilers in ROTS, maybe add some dialogue between Vader and Luke 6) Change the stormtroopers.. I would CG every stormtrooper and make them more like Clonetroopers in AOTC....Cant stand the fact that Stormtroopers had the worse aim... ROTJ 1) Have Luke cut Boba's head off... Then have him fall in the pit 2) Update luke's fighting skills similar to Anakin in AOTC 3) Update the scene between Luke and Ben. Have Ben tell Luke the whole story about Anakin, Padme and the fall of the republic. 4) Update the ROTJ duel to compare to the duel of anakin/Dooku in AOTC... 5) update the scene of the star destoryer crashing into the death star. 6) End scene: Include the ROTS planets. 7) ADD BACK THE SCENE OF THE toppling of the statue of the emperor... ANH 1) I don't believe that was ever filmed 2) Personally, I think it is acceptable until when Ben's saber fizzles, and then the lunging part when they are being watched by the Stormtroopers. That could be improved upon. 3) Oh yeah 4) Sounds a bit like what he says about Obi-Wan "I sense something, a presence I have not felt since...." and its unnecessary 5) I'd only say add to the existing ones ESB 1) Would be nice 2) It is somewhat possible I suppose with a stunt double and CG Yoda 3) I'd say just occasionally CG his facial features 4) I don't see what's wrong with the ESB fight other than Vader's pink saber 5) Unnecessary 6) Same as #5 on ANH ROTJ 1) I think just seeing him crawl out of the pit would be fine. ANd they should redo any Boba jetpack sequences 2) Unnecessary and makes no sense, he's not formally trained, and how on earth would they do that anyways? 3) We don't need a PT recap 4) The fight is less fast because it is an emotional father/son confrontation 5) Definitely 6) Maybe just Kashyyyk. I don't know if Utapau is a good guy planet or just neutral 7) That is still in the DVD release just look harder -----signature----- Oh no my friend! This is a mistake! A terrible mistake! They've gone too far! This is madness!!! - Darth Tyranus lol, internet! Come visit our gaming community! http://www.gamerpost.net/
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 1/12/05 1:28pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/12/05 1:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Strilo
	ESB and ROTJ duels are all pretty good other than the whole swinging at the sabre 5 times in a row to get to a hand deal. Personally I love that bit. The anger there is really palpable and incredible. So basically, I think it would be awesome to have this scene, plus it would probably go during the fade out gap between when Luke takes the droids inside and when you see C-3PO going into the oil bath. And it would bring in the Emperor in the only missing episode in a way that still keeps him as an ominous figure. Actually I agree with this. The scene needs to be kept short, but it's a great place to break it and I think the scene would add a lot. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Lord of the Rings "Bilbo's Ring" * * * * * * All are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.
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h0ly123 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 1/12/05 1:37pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	I just figure if he was blinded by his anger he would have hacked at something vital instead of at the sabre. I guess maybe if you look at it as Luke trying to fight off the darkside then it works. But as far as being effecient..... -----signature----- "I've played some sane people. It's just that people don't remember them as well." Christopher Walken
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StormTrooper1776 Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/12/05 3:17pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	ANH: 1.Lightsabers fixed. 2.Lightsabers frame rate fixed when they are turned on/off. 3.Doors frame rate fixed when they open/close. 4.CG all computers in the rebels base,on the DeathStar,Millennium Falcon,all cockpits. 5.Duel redone with stunt doubles and cg,to show how powerful and skilled these fighters are. 6.CG Obi's death. 7.Fix all explosions that look faded looking. 8.CG all the aliens in the catina. 9.Show Vader going to Coruscant to meet with the emperor to talk about the pilot who destroyed the death star. 10.Show Bail Organa on the planet Alderaan before it gets blown up. 11.Luke at beggars canyon with his friends. 12.Enhance the droid that drugs Leia. 13.Redue all the blasters for every gun,vehicle,and death star. 14.CG the entire space battle and the trench of the death star. 15.Stormtroopers:add more of them,make their aim alot better. 16.Vader's eye lens blacken. 17.Fix the scene where Vader is moving his arm when he isn't talking. 18.Put color into the death star explosion. TESB: 1.Lightsabers fixed. 2.Lightsabers frame rate fixed when they are turned on/off. 3.Doors frame rate fixed when they open/close. 4.CG all computers in the Echoe base,Star destroyers,Millennium Falcon,Slave 1,AT-AT walkers,Cloud city,every cockpit,etc. 5.Fix all explosions that look faded looking. 6.Redue all the blasters from every gun,vehicle,and the Ion cannon. 7.When Luke escapes the Wampa cave,fix the sound of his lightsaber going off when it's still on. 8.CG the Vader hologram to make it look alot better. 9.CG Yoda. 10Use a stunt double and cg to show more of Luke traing with Yoda. 11.Use stunt doubles and cg to enhance the duel. ROTJ: 1.Lightsabers fixed. 2.Lightsabers frame rate fixed when they are turned on/off. 3.Doors frame rate fixed when they open/close. 4.CG all the computers in every vehicle,death star,etc. 5.Fix all explosions that look faded looking. 6.Redue all blasters from every gun and vehicle. 7.CG Jabba. 8.CG Yoda. 9.Digital erase all the E-woks and replace them with cg and give them a completly different look,make them bigger,scarier,etc. 10.Enhace the emperor's lightning. 11.Use stunt doubles and cg to enhance the duel. 12.Use stunt doubles and cg to have Luke duck when Vader swings his lightsaber at him,then have Luke come back up cutting Vader's hand off and have Luke jam his lightsaber into Vader's chest causing Vader to fall to the ground screaming. 13.When Vader's helmet is removed,have it be Hayden Christensen with a more horribly burned face. 14.Kashyyyk and some other planets added to the celebration. 15.A close up of the emperor's statue being knocked to the ground. 16.Boba Fett:use stunt double and cg to fix Boba Fett flying over the the skiff to fight Luke. 17.Use stunt double and cg to have Boba Fett and Luke have a duel. 18.CG the space battle. TPM: 1.Lightsabers:enhanced to make them look red,green,blue. 2.Darth Maul having more dialouge. 3.More footage of the duel. 4.Qui-Gon cutting recon droid in half that is following him. 5.Qui-Gon and Darth Maul fighting on landing platform,Qui-Gon cutting the platform to get Darth Maul of the ship. 6.Re-edit Jar Jar's dialogue to make him sound not as dumb. 7.CG Yoda. 8.Count Dooku at Qui-Gon's funeral. AOTC: 1.Lightsabers:enhanced,like make Mace's lightsaber look purple when he is in the arena fighting. 2.More footage of the duel:more of Anakin fighting with two sabers and fighting with Count Dooku,more of Obi and Dooku,and more of Yoda and Dooku. 3.Padme's family shown. 4.More footage of the Clone War. -----signature----- ROTJ:Make all the ewoks CGI,make them ferocious like wolverines,agile like monkeys,have them climb trees,make them move fast,have them jump out of the trees and land on the stormtroopers,have there be thousands of them,Make stormtroopers have camo armor.
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Strilo Title: Manager • Music • Prequel Trilogy Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 1/12/05 3:46pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	One more time: Dooku cannot be at Qui-Gon's funeral. This would directly contradict dialogue in AOTC that explicitly states Dooku and Obi-Wan have never met before. -----signature----- #1 on iTunes Most Played: The Killers "Human" #1 on iTunes Film Scores: Lord of the Rings "Bilbo's Ring" * * * * * * All are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness.
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The-Tennis-Ball-Kid Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 1/12/05 4:15pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/12/05 4:19pm (2 edits total) Edited By: The-Tennis-Ball-Kid
	" 5.Duel redone with stunt doubles and cg,to show how powerful and skilled these fighters are. " Quoth Yoda: "Flashy moves make a Jedi not." " 8.CG all the aliens in the catina. " So they won't look real anymore? I could understand touching up the eyes, but... " 9.Show Vader going to Coruscant to meet with the emperor to talk about the pilot who destroyed the death star. " Wouldn't that contradict the new conversation in ESB? " 12.Enhance the droid that drugs Leia. " With what? Flashing lights, and goofy sfx? " 15.Stormtroopers:add more of them,make their aim alot better. " Meaning they'll kill Luke, Han, and Leia? " 6.CG Obi's death. " Like how? A CGI robe? " 4.CG all computers in the rebels base,on the DeathStar,Millennium Falcon,all cockpits. " Because they look like computers? " 9.CG Yoda. " Heretic! " 11.Use stunt doubles and cg to enhance the duel." Because it's one of the best cinematic sequences of the 20th century? " 7.CG Jabba. 8.CG Yoda. " In order to avoid making the other CG versions look bad in comparision to the puppets I suppose... " 12.Use stunt doubles and cg to have Luke duck when Vader swings his lightsaber at him,then have Luke come back up cutting Vader's hand off and have Luke jam his lightsaber into Vader's chest causing Vader to fall to the ground screaming. " Dude! Far out! " 17.Use stunt double and cg to have Boba Fett and Luke have a duel. " Don't they already have one? Granted Luke doesn't duck when Boba shoots his gun at him,then come back up cutting Fett's hand off and jam his lightsaber into Fett's chest causing Boba to fall to the ground screaming, but still... " 5.Qui-Gon and Darth Maul fighting on landing platform,Qui-Gon cutting the platform to get Darth Maul of the ship. " Doesn't that leave a gaping hole in the ship? And wouldn't Darth Maul cut him in half while's he's doing that? " 14.CG the entire space battle and the trench of the death star. " So it looks like a video game? As Yoda would say: "Hmmmmm?" ttbk -----signature----- "Foreshadowing with a sledgehammer....."
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h0ly123 Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 1/12/05 4:31pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/12/05 4:46pm (2 edits total) Edited By: h0ly123
	While I agre with you on 5, 9, 15, 6, 8.CG all the aliens in the catina. " So they won't look real anymore? I could understand touching up the eyes, but Um they don't look real now.Nostalgic, sure. Real, not a chance. Cg can make things that look real look at Jurassic Park, LOTR, the prequels, etc, etc. " 4.CG all computers in the rebels base,on the DeathStar,Millennium Falcon,all cockpits. " Because they look like computers? No becuase the cock pits and the interiors of the ships look like 70's era technology which is a HUGE step down from the PT technology. " 9.CG Yoda. " Heretic! " 7.CG Jabba. 8.CG Yoda. " In order to avoid making the other CG versions look bad in comparision to the puppets I suppose... Falls under the puppets being nostalgic, but certainly not looking any where near as good as cg can make the characters look. " 14.CG the entire space battle and the trench of the death star. " So it looks like a video game? I'd rather it look like a video game than like my starwars action figures. -----signature----- "I've played some sane people. It's just that people don't remember them as well." Christopher Walken
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buster726 Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 1/12/05 4:36pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	But Lucas does not want those to surface again. He says that the original SW was only 25% of what he wanted it to be. And I olny like 25% of what he does. Its simple just release both OT and SE in seperate sets. He would please EVERYONE and probably get alot of people to buy both copies. And no I'm not leading a raid on sky.. walk..er... ran..ch.. LOL -----signature----- Sansweet East tours available pm me for details Get the LUCASVILLE Slugger!! Join the Rebellion BURN your DVD's and buy the REAL thing on ebay!! It Belongs in a museum!! So do you! Oh wait.. nevermind LOL
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Guy-Gone_Weird Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 1/12/05 5:40pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	This is long so feel free to not read, this is just my opinion on a previous post. ANH: "1.Lightsabers fixed." They better "2.Lightsabers frame rate fixed when they are turned on/off." I forgot about how annoying those are. "3.Doors frame rate fixed when they open/close." That too. "4.CG all computers in the rebels base,on the DeathStar,Millennium Falcon,all cockpits." I'd say yes definitely on that but I think you may be misusing the term CG. "5.Duel redone with stunt doubles and cg,to show how powerful and skilled these fighters are." I wouldn't want it redone, but added to with stunt doubles and replace the "lunging" when they're being watched by stormies. "6.CG Obi's death." Seems fine to me. I don't know how they would improve upon it. "7.Fix all explosions that look faded looking." I agree. "8.CG all the aliens in the catina." Maybe not CG all of them but touch up some (CG moths Eyes) and add more exotic ones, maybe even some PT aliens. "9.Show Vader going to Coruscant to meet with the emperor to talk about the pilot who destroyed the death star." Redundant from ESB Hologram meeting, but Lucas has some idea that would make it work. "10.Show Bail Organa on the planet Alderaan before it gets blown up." Thats would be nice, and also add him talking to Vader via viewscreen like suggested before. "11.Luke at beggars canyon with his friends." If they can make it fit story-wise, and if they can digitally remove the floppy hat and give Biggs some color coordination. They mayt have to cut out the lines dealing with the battle overhead for it to work. And I think you mean Tosche Station. "12.Enhance the droid that drugs Leia." I don't really see how that can be altered. "13.Redue all the blasters for every gun,vehicle,and death star." I agree, except the Death Star is fine. They should show Alderaan breaking up a bit before it completely explodes. (watch the Star Trek: Enterprise episode "Twilight" to see what I mean) "14.CG the entire space battle and the trench of the death star." Not all needs it but additions and replacement shots would be nice. I enjoyed the new shots for the SE. "15.Stormtroopers:add more of them,make their aim alot better." Add more, but their aim is fine. "16.Vader's eye lens blacken." Yes they need to fix that. "17.Fix the scene where Vader is moving his arm when he isn't talking." What scene is that? "18.Put color into the death star explosion." I don't know why they took the color out for the DVD release....Also add larger chunks of debris in the explosion. TESB: "1.Lightsabers fixed." Already done for DVD except Vader's pink saber "2.Lightsabers frame rate fixed when they are turned on/off." I don't remember this problem in ESB. "3.Doors frame rate fixed when they open/close." I don't remember this problem in ESB. "4.CG all computers in the Echoe base,Star destroyers,Millennium Falcon,Slave 1,AT-AT walkers,Cloud city,every cockpit,etc." Again they should update them at least. "5.Fix all explosions that look faded looking." Yes. "6.Redue all the blasters from every gun,vehicle,and the Ion cannon." Yes. "7.When Luke escapes the Wampa cave,fix the sound of his lightsaber going off when it's still on." Yes. "8.CG the Vader hologram to make it look alot better." Yes, but again not CG; all they need to do is film someone in Vader's costume and use theri PT hologram effect. "9.CG Yoda." Just his facial features I'd say. "10.Use a stunt double and cg to show more of Luke traing with Yoda." Maybe. "11.Use stunt doubles and cg to enhance the duel." I don't think the ESB duel is in need of anything. ROTJ: "1.Lightsabers fixed." Already done for DVD, except for Pink saber and lock over Emperor. "2.Lightsabers frame rate fixed when they are turned on/off." I don't remember this problem in ROTJ. "3.Doors frame rate fixed when they open/close." I don't remember this problem in ROTJ. "4.CG all the computers in every vehicle,death star,etc." "5.Fix all explosions that look faded looking." Good point again. "6.Redue all blasters from every gun and vehicle." Yeah. "7.CG Jabba." If they can do it right, but I think just CG touch ups would do. "8.CG Yoda." Again just Facial Features. "9.Digital erase all the E-woks and replace them with cg and give them a completly different look,make them bigger,scarier,etc." I'd be happy if they just CG'd the mouths and eyes. Actually make their mouths move when they talk. "10.Enhace the emperor's lightning." Yeah, keep it in par with Dooku and PT Palpatine's if he uses it in ROTS. "11.Use stunt doubles and cg to enhance the duel." A bit. "12.Use stunt doubles and cg to have Luke duck when Vader swings his lightsaber at him,then have Luke come back up cutting Vader's hand off and have Luke jam his lightsaber into Vader's chest causing Vader to fall to the ground screaming." I thought about this too. It seemed like we needed Vader more beat up in ROTJ. MAYBE. "13.When Vader's helmet is removed,have it be Hayden Christensen with a more horribly burned face." This one I absolutely say no to. Sebastian Shaw is fine for old Anakin. "14.Kashyyyk and some other planets added to the celebration." Which ever ones apply. "15.A close up of the emperor's statue being knocked to the ground." It's notcieable enough already. "16.Boba Fett:use stunt double and cg to fix Boba Fett flying over the the skiff to fight Luke." Yes, or completely redo the shots in the same way they did Jango. "17.Use stunt double and cg to have Boba Fett and Luke have a duel." Nah, just let Fett crawl out of the pit. "18.CG the space battle." Some of it. -----signature----- Oh no my friend! This is a mistake! A terrible mistake! They've gone too far! This is madness!!! - Darth Tyranus lol, internet! Come visit our gaming community! http://www.gamerpost.net/
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DARTHFINGERZ Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/12/05 9:55pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/12/05 10:01pm (2 edits total) Edited By: DARTHFINGERZ
	"Why is it that we can't have a civil thread about what would be cool to add/change to the OT without starting a flame war!? Everyone knows the Purists positions and opinions and respect them. But as I said in the first post, this thread is not recomended for Purists unless they have ideas, or can make input without negating the entire purpose of this thread." EXACTLY.....No offence but there is NO point to this thread of people's opinions on potential changes if purists are going to come in & rip our ideas and lists apart......... RE: The title of the thread "DVD changes for 2007 HD release" What do you expect to be going on in here? A rally to get the OT trilogy released on DVD untouched? It is a waste of time if instead of discussing our ideas for changes we have to argue. -----signature----- You just watch yourself. I'm a wanted man... I have the DEATH SENTENCE on twelve SW messageboards.
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spaceman1687 Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 1/12/05 11:43pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	DARTHFINGERZ Earlier in this threadyou mentioned adding the sub plot of the Wompas attacking Echo base. What is that from? Is that from an earlier script or the novelization?
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Yoda_Jedi_Luke Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 1/13/05 3:39am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	I agree with many of your sentiments Guy_Gone_Weird. I dont want a CG overload, and sometimes you think it is a blessing that they did not have CG in 77 as it may not have been the success it was. But I think Lucas will make some final, finite changes. -----signature----- The Force will be with you...always \|-o-\| <-o-> [-oo-] [-o-] [-oo-]<-o-> \|-o-\| "Marge, you're as pretty as Princess Leia and as smart as Yoda" - Homer Simpson
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Lord-Vegas Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 1/13/05 4:39am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	I'd remove all the light coloured squares from around the ships in ANH. It really annoys me that they havent already been done. eg. The Tie/Falcon battle after they escape from the DS everytime the ties fly by they're surrounded by a bit whit(ish) coloured square. -----signature----- "Wipe them out, all of them" - Darth Sidious
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Yoda_Jedi_Luke Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 1/13/05 7:30am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	I have never noticed that actually, nor the infamous slugs of the Emperor. -----signature----- The Force will be with you...always \|-o-\| <-o-> [-oo-] [-o-] [-oo-]<-o-> \|-o-\| "Marge, you're as pretty as Princess Leia and as smart as Yoda" - Homer Simpson
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OT_fan Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 1/13/05 8:50am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	"I'd remove all the light coloured squares from around the ships in ANH. It really annoys me that they havent already been done. eg. The Tie/Falcon battle after they escape from the DS everytime the ties fly by they're surrounded by a bit whit(ish) coloured square." I used to just pretend all the ships had square shields. -----signature----- You can come to my party but you can only talk sports in the living room, movies in the kitchen and politics on the patio. If you talk sports on the patio I'll redirect you to the living room or ban you from my party
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