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DARTH_CHINA Registered: Dec '01	Date Posted: 1/26/05 12:37am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	- The Muppet Show during Jabba's Palace and Tatooine scenes - The dragging Endor scenes Those are the only two weak points about the movie. Alas, they form half of the movie.
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Tyranus_the_Hutt Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/26/05 2:21am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I can intellectually accept why "Return of the Jedi" is less universally liked than "A New Hope" and "The Empire Strikes Back", and personally, I think it to be the least of these three pictures, but that doesn't mean that I don't love it. "Jedi" has some pretty severe narrative and structural flaws which tend to draw attention to themselves, but I think that the answer is actually more obvious than that. Some people (not me) think that "Jedi" represents the beginning of the saga's slide into infantilism, something that reached its "nadir" with "Phantom Menace". So yes, as others have stated, the Ewoks are deemed to be loathsome in their cuteness. I have heard other criticisms which suggest that "muppets" overtook the film; even Harrison Ford complained about "an army or teddy bears". I guess that it's a matter of personal taste. -----signature----- "The screen is a magic medium. It has such power that it can retain interest as it conveys emotions and moods that no other art form can hope to tackle." - Stanley Kubrick
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AdmiralZaarin Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 1/26/05 3:37am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	The only real flaw with ROTJ is that the Tatooine sequences really begin to drag quite quickly. -----signature----- "You filthy...Zaarin." -Nithrak
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Master_Rebado Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 1/26/05 6:22am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	ROTJ in my opinion was good and had the right combinations to make the whole trilogy come together. I can remember thinking on what transpires in ROTJ and the questions I had about certain things from ANH and ESB and felt satisfied in what answers ROTJ gave. Seems to me many people forget that GL is a human capable of error and thus get all in a lather when some aspect of one of the movies doesn't sate their desires for what a SW movie should be. Though I accept and believe that everyone is entitled to their personal opinion on anything: why is it that so many so-called Star Wars fans come on here and bash whichever of the SW movies that they have felt let them down in some way? Right now over in EP III(Spoilers Allowed) there's a "Will ROTS be better than ESB?" and a lot of posts reflect that ESB has a strong fanbase (which is fine)I liked it when it came out and now just as much. Though there are always favourites in all things,IMO if you choose to follow something like Star Wars then it will be expected that something won't quite do it for you the way you would've liked. Maybe I am too easily pleased but overall the SW saga is one of the best things ever to come along in my lifetime. -----signature----- Learn to use the Dark Side of the Force and you will achieve a power greater than any mod
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MatthewZ Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 1/26/05 6:40am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? Funeral pyre bad! [RIP Neil Hartman] -----signature----- What I posted was true......from a certain point of view.
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 1/26/05 7:04am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I think when people rank ROTJ as the weaker of the three SW films, part of it is the Ewoks, another part is the rehased plot elements (Death Star 2) and another is the just plain bad choices for wrapping up plot threads (turning Leia into Luke's sister, for example). Additionally, I think many feel the acting wasn't quite up to the levels set by ESB, for the most part, and that Han and Leia's relationship was potrayed in a more childish manner. -----signature----- "The coldest blood runs through my veins- you know my name." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY: "Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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TIEPilot051999 Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 1/26/05 8:32am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	the just plain bad choices for wrapping up plot threads (turning Leia into Luke's sister, for example) How is this bad? It was hinted at in "Empire". -----signature----- Devi is my Padme Angel All Hail Megatron! The Tenth Doctor In Sleepy Tower - Third Place Winner
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OBI-BEN-KENOBI Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/26/05 8:36am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I've never figured out why people dislike it. It's my all time favorite movie. -----signature----- FOUNDER of the Comic book draft "Dames are like Mustard: they taste great on a sandwich. But when you're not eating a sandwich... they just sit there in the fridge... on a shelf... in a jar... labeled... Mustard. "
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SHAUN-FOREVER Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/26/05 9:33am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I was going to post this today Watched ROTJ last night, and thought the same thing. I love this movie, I also love Episode I, though with that I can understand why some fans would be a little disapointed, but with this? it's strange. -----signature----- -CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB- Premiership Champions 2005 Carling Cup Winners 2005 Supershadow Lies! http://www.angelfire.com/crazy3/realsupershadow/
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Apollo_Dent Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/26/05 10:35am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 1/26/05 10:39am (2 edits total) Edited By: Apollo_Dent
	You know, I've pndered this question a good deal myself. Why DOES everyone bash Episode VI so much? Episodes I and II, on the other hand, I can see. I mean, I dig the prequels and everything, but I still think they are deserving of a good deal of criticism. But I would think that anyone that enjoyed Episodes IV and V, would surely like VI. Doesn't really make much sense... There's a few flaws here and there, but it was certainly a much more satisfying conclusion than say, 'The Matrix Revolutions', or something... -----signature----- "All other things must; man is the being, who wills." --Frederich Schiller
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Leias_love_slave Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 1/26/05 1:30pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	- The Muppet Show during Jabba's Palace and Tatooine scenes Then there's The Human Show that goes on throughout the rest of the films. -----signature----- "I was Leia's slave-boy." blushes
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Padmes_love_slave24 Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 1/26/05 2:30pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	You can't dislike ROTJ and be a fan, it is just not possible! -----signature----- The internet you'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy People who follow consensus opinions are mindless sheep! South Park SUCKS! Go Bears! LOTR=Cure for Insomnia!
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StormTrooper1776 Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/26/05 3:16pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	1.Ewoks:They are the major thing that messes up the movie.I can see them taking out the stormtroopers vehicles with their traps,but the Ewoks taking out an actual stormtrooper looks really awful. If anything the Ewoks should of just taken out the Imperial's vehicles,while the Rebels take out the stormtroopers.That would of at least looked alot better.(Ewoks apperance just sucks) 2.Boba Fett:You see him in all these movies,and he doesn't have any cool action scenes like Jango did before he dies. 3.Vader Being Taken Out:He just falls to the ground laying there until Luke cuts his hand off.Vader is suppose to be a major villain,and should of been taken out by the skills of Luke that is now a Jedi. 4.Vader Unmasked:Now he looks alot better on the dvd with his eyebrows gone and his skin being more pale,but still kinda disappointed.(Should of been more disfigured) 5.The Final Duel:Luke now a Jedi,you think you would of saw a much better duel between the two.The fight looked like what a five year old and a 90 year old guy fighting each other with swords would of looked like. 6.Luke On Jabba's Sail Barge:When Luke is taking out Jabba's men,his lightsaber doesn't cut any limbs off,the guys just fall to the ground. -----signature----- ROTJ:Make all the ewoks CGI,make them ferocious like wolverines,agile like monkeys,have them climb trees,make them move fast,have them jump out of the trees and land on the stormtroopers,have there be thousands of them,Make stormtroopers have camo armor.
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JUKE-SKYWALKER Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/26/05 3:16pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I personally think ROTJ's big failings, though, are in its visuals. I find its cinematography flatter and vastly inferior to the other entries in the saga. I agree 100%. I think GL was impressed by Kershner's maticulous attention to detail and getting the right shot, but it cost GL an arm and a leg. Knowing that 'Jedi' would be the last SW film for a while, he wanted a Director that he could control more. Enter the in over his head Richard Marquand. Here are a few more reasons why, IMHO, Jedi falls a bit short of it's two predecessors. 1. GL, like the Wachowski's after him, was done in by his own success. Yoda convinced GL that Muppetts could be effective characters. When they are puppeted by a master like Oz and his team, yes. When they are controlled by some half drunk Teamster, not so much. 2. The actors appear bored. Ford had clearly moved on in his heart and Fisher was, um, not herself. Only Mark Hamill 'showed up', and he gave another great performance. 3. GL had exhausted his bag of tricks and created a set up so grand, it was nearly impossible for him to earn it with 'Jedi'. 4. Trading Ewoks for Wookies. 'Nuff said. None of this is to say that Jedi is a 'Bad' film. Far from it! It's just not quite as good, which is to say perfect, as ANH and ESB. BTW, I happen to think that 'Return of the King' is far more disappointing as a concluding chapter than RotJ. -----signature----- ’Cause there’s thunder in your heart... Every move is like lightning! http://overgrownboyscout.blogspot.com/ "It's going to take a lot more than skill for Cru Jones to conquer the toughest BMX challenge in the world. It's going to take a miracle."
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Lord-Draco Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 1/26/05 3:22pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 1/26/05 4:38pm (1 edits total) Edited By: HanSolo29
	I like ROTJ. I mean it is the "Revenge of the Sith" of the OT. It is the movie that brings everything together. BUT what I really hated about ROTJ was the Ewoks. I like GL's concept of how he wanted to show that generic David vs Goliath thingy with the Ewoks destroying the Empire. But when I see it, it just seems to kiddy. I mean come on, throwing rocks? I just think it wasn't believable enough. I mean one second we are watching a great space battle, another second we are watching the Duel of all Duels of Luke vs Vader, then another second we are watching a bunch of little teddy bears throwing rocks and beating up Stormtroopers. WTH? Atleast the Gungans vs the Trade Federation in EP1 was believable cause it was droid (Robots) that the Gungans were dealing with. Now if it were Wookies (Like it was supposed to be) then it would have been WAY more believable and something really good to see. But instead it was just another moment for the little kids to laugh and have fun to while more serious things are going on ala the Space Battle and Luke vs Vader. Other then that ROTJ was great. The movie starts off slow but it picks up at the end. HS29 EDIT: Can't use that abbreviation. -----signature----- Tyrell Jackson http://www.controllerfreaks.com Dark Lord -- Coming November 22nd Speaking my mind at 250MPH, don't like it? Tuff Luck Resident TFN Badboy
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