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TIEPilot051999 Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 1/27/05 8:54pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Well, Leia wasn't supposed to be Luke's sister- there was suppsoed to be a new character intorduced for that role during the sequel trilogy. When he condensed the ST into ROTJ, instead of introducing a new character, he made it Leia. By making the sister Leia, it gave GL an easy-out for the love triangle, instead of actually resolving it. Any proof of this? -----signature----- Devi is my Padme Angel All Hail Megatron! The Tenth Doctor In Sleepy Tower - Third Place Winner
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tobi-wan-kenobi Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/27/05 9:09pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	“No adult should ever bad mouth any of the SW movies...since they are not being made for adults.” “They are being made for children...simple as that.” I don't agree with this. I was a child when I saw ROTJ and thought the Ewoks were limp even then. I also heard this excuse being used for TPM. Why would anyone gear a movie to children when the audience majority is twenty-five and up?
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DARTH_CORLEONE Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 1/27/05 11:22pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 1/27/05 11:25pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DARTH_CORLEONE
	Good children's films are made for children who will one day be adults. Otherwise, it's merely trying to capitalize on the naivite of youth as well as that of unattentive parents, and is simply contributing to the mindless drivel that makes up most of todays (and yesterdays) chldren's entertainment. None of it will last any longer in a child's memories than the next trip to the toy store. That being said, I HATED ROTJ when it came out, and I was only fourteen. I just remember feeling like I was watching a bad TV version of a Star Wars film. As soon as that singing female monster in Jabba's place started up..."What the heck is this?!" was all that could come to mind. The entire movie was doomed way before it even got to the Ewoks. I can look back now and delineate what was wrong with it item by item, but it's the first impression that counts when it comes to this. I was really looking forward to it, and perhaps I had my hopes up a bit too much. I couldn't imagine a Star Wars movie being any worse. Even though a lot of my friends felt the same way, I thought something was wrong with me, so I tried watching it again the following weekend. I couldn't sit through the first twenty minutes and left, and spent thirty minutes hassling the box office attendant unil I got my money back. The only thing that comforted me was that it was over...no more Star Wars movies. It was around this time that the concept of diminishing returns in blockbuster trilogies was dawning on me (i.e. the 2nd and 3rd Indiana Jones movies, Superman III), so I figured Lucas & crew were now doing the moviegoing public the greatest service of all...they were stopping. Or so I thought. 1999. And surprisingly, TPM went beyond my expectations. I was open-minded about it, but if I had to bet, I thought it was going to be pretty bad. It ended up being atrocious. But I'm thankful for TPM. Thankful because ROTJ is no longer the worst thing to ever happen to the Star Wars series. But TPM has some hope, because we still have one more movie coming out. Didn't mean to offend anyone here, this is just the way I felt. I would never criticize or ridicule anyone for liking ROTJ. I just didn't. -----signature----- "Never argue with a stupid person. They bring you down to their level, then beat you with experience." "Not unless round is funny."
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RogueScribner Title: Webmaster Or lando FL FanForce Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/27/05 11:40pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Any proof of this? Gary Kurtz says as much. And it's documented fact that Leia and Luke shared a more intense kiss in TESB than what we saw in the theatrical cut. L8r -----signature----- "I find your lack of faith disturbing." - http://www.orlandosystem.com - "You can't take the sky from me . . . ."
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The2ndQuest Title: Manager: -Literature -LACWAC -Games Registered: Jan '00	Date Posted: 1/28/05 12:35am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 1/28/05 12:41am (2 edits total) Edited By: The2ndQuest
	>> Leia hears Luke calling for her in ESB. The seeds were planted in the second film.>Any proof of this? -----signature----- "When your future self tells you to do something, YOU DO IT." K'Kruhk, 140 ABY:"Why haven't I come forth earlier to share my Jedi knowledge with Skywalker? Well, it's kinda a long story, see, I had this freaking sweet hat..."
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JoshDorst Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 1/28/05 9:55am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I think most people who like Star Wars like ROTJ. I think that New Hope and Empire were near-perfect movies. By those standards, ROTJ is a let down, but not a bad movie.
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Devi Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/28/05 12:06pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? I guess it's because of the Ewoks. Personally, I love Ewoks and I love ROTJ. -----signature----- Still Ysanne_Isard's twin! I love Tang! \| e-married to TIEPilot051999 Deviré, Handmaiden of the Crest -Devi- (with the hyphens) is not my sock! Wearing an icon again, still supporting the mods!
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Shelley Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 1/28/05 12:39pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 1/28/05 12:48pm (5 edits total) Edited By: Shelley
	I don't like the dialogue in a couple of the scenes (i.e., Leia saying that "somehow she always knew" that Luke was her brother -- oh, is THAT why she planted a big wet sloppy one on him in ESB?), and I think Harrison Ford looks alternately bored and pained throughout the entire thing. But otherwise, I like ROTJ, even though it is my least favorite of the saga, and I appreciate it much more than I used to. Ewok-hating didn't become fashionable until some years after ROTJ was released. In 1983, adults and kids alike loved the furballs. As for them being "an obvious toy-marketing ploy," Lucas said, "Why market a teddy bear? They're already around." Besides, there's not much in any of the SW movies, including the sacred, holy, perfect ESB, that isn't toy-friendly. Incidentally, when I got my OT movie posters framed, the cashier at the framing place said, "That's my favorite of those movies -- 'Return of the Jedi'." Make of that what you will. Gary Kurtz says as much. George Lucas says otherwise, and has said otherwise since 1977: that SW is aimed at kids. -----signature----- A bona fide conservative exposes Ann Coulter as the liar, bigot, extremist, and hatemonger that she is: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001939.htm Protect America...impeach Bush.
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RogueScribner Title: Webmaster Or lando FL FanForce Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/28/05 1:22pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 1/28/05 1:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RogueScribner
	Gary Kurtz says as much. George Lucas says otherwise, and has said otherwise since 1977: that SW is aimed at kids. You quoted me out of context. I didn't mention Kurtz in reference to Star Wars being a kids movie. I mentioned him in reference to Leia not always being Luke's sister. Are you so eager to counterargue a point that you have to take what people say out of context now? I'm sure the sight of Gary Kurtz's name got your adrenaline pumping. L8r -----signature----- "I find your lack of faith disturbing." - http://www.orlandosystem.com - "You can't take the sky from me . . . ."
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Shelley Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 1/28/05 2:54pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	You quoted me out of context. I didn't mention Kurtz in reference to Star Wars being a kids movie. I mentioned him in reference to Leia not always being Luke's sister. You're right, I misread your post. I apologize. Are you so eager to counterargue a point that you have to take what people say out of context now? No. I made a simple mistake. Are you so eager to snipe at me that you automatically assume I deliberately took what you said out of context? I'm sure the sight of Gary Kurtz's name got your adrenaline pumping. Not really. I don't see how my simple statement in my original post gave you that impression, although judging by the rest of your reply, I'm guessing that's the impression you wanted to get. -----signature----- A bona fide conservative exposes Ann Coulter as the liar, bigot, extremist, and hatemonger that she is: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001939.htm Protect America...impeach Bush.
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Leias_love_slave Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 1/28/05 3:59pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 1/28/05 3:59pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Leias_love_slave
	RogueScribner: Are you so eager to counterargue a point that you have to take what people say out of context now? Shelley: No. I made a simple mistake. Are you so eager to snipe at me that you automatically assume I deliberately took what you said out of context? Leia's love slave: Are you both so eager to argue with each other... ...because you're trying to hide your true feelings? -----signature----- "I was Leia's slave-boy." blushes
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Shelley Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 1/28/05 4:17pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	You're way, way off, LLS, but thanks for the laugh. -----signature----- A bona fide conservative exposes Ann Coulter as the liar, bigot, extremist, and hatemonger that she is: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001939.htm Protect America...impeach Bush.
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Leias_love_slave Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 1/28/05 4:27pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Well, I'm not ashamed to admit... ...that I like both of you. -----signature----- "I was Leia's slave-boy." blushes
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Shelley Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 1/28/05 5:02pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Awww, thanks. -----signature----- A bona fide conservative exposes Ann Coulter as the liar, bigot, extremist, and hatemonger that she is: http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001939.htm Protect America...impeach Bush.
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RogueScribner Title: Webmaster Or lando FL FanForce Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/28/05 9:58pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 1/28/05 9:59pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RogueScribner
	I feel the love. Shelley, I apologize. I sometimes think you're a little quick on the draw when it comes to defending Lucas, and I didn't give you the benefit of the doubt. No harm, no foul. L8r -----signature----- "I find your lack of faith disturbing." - http://www.orlandosystem.com - "You can't take the sky from me . . . ."
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