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Joedi
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2/4/05 11:42pm
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Luke's quickly growing power
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Alright, he is the chosen oes kid and junk, so I can follow how he goes from not even hearing of the force till he's practically fully grown to becoming a Jedi pretty quickly, but what bothers me is his dramatic change between ESB and RotJ. He get whipped by Vader in Cloud city, and then essentially shows up fairly directly from there to Tatooine to save Han and is a badass. OK, I'll even buy that he was fighting Vader before, and so his powers compare much more favorably to the non-jedi enemies he faces there, but nothing dramatic in terms of his learning takes place during RotJ yet still he defeats Vader rather easily at the end of RotJ.
So the question is, without any revating training, how does lUke go from getting whipped to a clear winner against Vader in such a short time?
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Theory55
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2/4/05 11:55pm
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Vader was too conflicted to try his hardest in ROTJ. Plus I think it's something like 6 months between ESB and ROTJ.. could be longer though, I'm not sure.
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Harrison_Solo
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2/5/05 12:21am
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Depending on who you talk to I've heard that over a year may have passed between ESB and ROTJ. Regardless, I have to agree that Vader wasn't really trying all that hard against Luke in ROTJ. I mean, when Luke freaked and attacked Vader, Vader coulda just force-thrown half the room at Luke. Instead he just sat down and didn't even really fight back. Plus he was obviously upset and distraught all throughout ROTJ, almost apologizing to Luke in the Shield Generator room for having turned to the Dark Side.
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Lars_Muul
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Vader was trying, but Luke had trained very hard for a year between TESB and ROTJ and it's fair to assume that Vader is growing weaker(cause he can't be getting stronger), so Luke was simply more powerful.
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i was just wondering about this last night. was there ever any deffinate mention of how long between episodes V and VI? because it seems like a lot of time would've gone by. maybe not years and years, but at least one or two. a friend of mine and i got in a big arguement about this way back when we were in tenth grade, and he said that he thought luke only would've waited a couple of months to go and get han. this remains a confusing concept.
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Darth-Seldon
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2/5/05 11:23am
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There was a years time where Luke could reflect on what Yoda and Vader had taught him and grow stronger because of that. He could perfect his ablity and be better able to handle the realities of the galaxy. I don't think it is a far jump. In each film Luke becomes stronger and different from the one before it, he is a transition character.
All of the original characters change. Han goes from being greedy to loving and caring. Leia from being bossy to caring. Luke from weak to strong.
It is the progression of their characters.
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DarthBoba
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2/5/05 11:46am
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He's got three years between ANH and TESB. In this, he obviously gets pretty decent-his performance in the TESB duel wasn't half-bad.
Between TESB and ROTJ he's got a year. That year was pretty much just putting the extra bit of oomph into his abilities.
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Lars_Muul
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I can make a parallell with my own life. I'm a soon-to-be musical artist, so I sing a lot. In the first year of my current education, I progressed a lot singing wise. It was almost like I had a different voice one year later. The same could be said about my second year.
What I'm saying with this is that if you work hard, one year's practice makes a hell of a difference. This applies to everything, not just singing. As an above poster said, it's not a stretch to believe that Luke was much more powerful one year after TESB. He still had a long way to go, of course. It takes many, many years to reach your full potential, but apparently, what he had achieved was enough to outmatch Vader.
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Darth_Virgo_97
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I could see how Luke could become more powerful in about a years time. Vader may have been able to defeat Luke because of his lifetime of experience with the Force, both Light and Dark Side knowledge. However, it was simply the conflict within that prevented Vader from harming Luke at all, IMO.
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HandofSkywalker86
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2/5/05 6:50pm
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Plus Vader was only 80% as powerful as Palpatine, a long stretch form his presuit potential and that of Luke's potential.
Plus I read somewhere that any PT jedi master would have been astounded by the intuitive grasp Luke had of the Foce and dueling.
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Right on. I think it'll be explained in Episode 3 that the way Jedi were trained from childhood was totally the wrong way to go and Even if Luke started training at 50 yrs old, as long as his midchlorian count was high and he practiced giving his body to the force at will, he could become a powerful Jedi. He just wasn't humble enough in ESB. But he sure was in RotJ thanks to losing a hand and fighting in the Galactic Civil War all those years = lots of practice.
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OnlyOneKenobi
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2/7/05 5:33am
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Luke really was a much faster learner than Anakin, but they way he was taught was also radically different from the way Anakin was taught. It does bug me a little that Luke learns so much so quickly compared to what we see in the PT, I mean what in blazes do all those padawans and masters do in the 25 years it takes to become a Jedi Knight!? No wonder Anakin felt he was being held back after 10 years of training and still being a padawan...
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Lars_Muul
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It's not like Luke is as skilled as Obi-Wan was in TPM. Far from it; Obi-Wan at the age of 25 would've kicked Luke's butt without breaking a sweat.
He is, however, more powerful than Vader and that's all he needs to be in order to do what he's supposed to do.
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Chaotic_Serenity
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I think it's surprising that people think Luke has really accmulated so much power. I think fans tend to confuse Luke's psychological maturity with his Jedi progression. Yes, Luke is more powerful and controlled than he was in ESB, but he's nowhere near his peak. The Skywalker family is something of a Force anamoly in how powerful they are, true, but I don't even consider Luke to by anywhere near the level of even the PT Jedi quite yet. He definitely has the potential to go above and beyond them, but not yet. Yeah, he defeated Vader on the Death Star, but he had to tap into the dark side to do it, and Vader was in enough emotional turmoil that we can't say one way or another just how much it was affecting his performance. The emperor, on the other hand, utterly destroyed Luke in the blink of an eye.
In other words, while I agree that Luke has gone through alot of change and has matured in both power and mind, the focus of episode VI is that mental maturation more than anything else. His potential is vast, but what he displayed in ROTJ was nothing particularly spectacular except when compared to the utter lack of Force receptivity of his friends (minus Leia) and his own previous recklessness.
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Lars_Muul, I've been singing my whole life and I still sound awful. 
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