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Chaotic_Serenity Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 3/29/05 3:31pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/29/05 3:40pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Chaotic_Serenity
	Was there really any big change to the lightsabers in ANH? I can't remember. I thought that was just a product of cleaning up the film. I love my OT DVDs. I watch them all the time since I'm in one of my Star Wars phases. It might help that I've never seen the original films, so the SE is the saga to me. Personally, I don't mind. A few extra CGI moments, an edit or change here or there, or added dialogue never made the saga any less meaningful to me. -----signature----- Part of the Darth Vader Fanclub. Because good is dumb. The ability to bash a movie does not make one intelligent. Sith for '08: Why vote for a less oppressive regime?
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howardgarbo Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/29/05 3:36pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/29/05 3:38pm (1 edits total) Edited By: howardgarbo
	I feel all the additions are superficial and don't really make the films that different in terms of story and such (save for the Jabba sequence in New Hope, which is still unecessary). Well, in a way I can appreciate that Lucas wants them to flow in with the new prequels better. Still, I could do without the "Jedi Rocks" bit in Jedi. Ugh...it's horrible.
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Darth_Devilkin Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 3/29/05 3:38pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Is the redone trilogy better then the original? I'll answer simply by saying that I've learned to accept the new versions. -----signature----- "Boy you said it Chewie...Where did you dig up that old fossil?" "No reward is worth this." "I have the death sentence on 12 systems." "Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter." "I will make it legal."
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StormTrooper1776 Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 3/29/05 3:55pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Way better. -----signature----- ROTJ:Make all the ewoks CGI,make them ferocious like wolverines,agile like monkeys,have them climb trees,make them move fast,have them jump out of the trees and land on the stormtroopers,have there be thousands of them,Make stormtroopers have camo armor.
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ralphthesock Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 3/29/05 3:56pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	I first saw the Special Editions so obviously, I prefer the Special Edition. The originals... well... I dunno, I mean they're all the same movies but A New Hope especially... it just seems sort of... crappy, especially the Death Star attack. I like fixing the movie up, but even I who have only seen the originals a few times, hate the change of Greedo shooting first. Changing characters is not cool... in my book. Boba Fett, I'm sad about the change but I guess it doesn't bother me as much since well... I've also grown up with the Prequels... so the Anakin change doesn't bother me too much either... but yeah SE all the way for me.
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HanSolo29 Title: Fan Art Manager Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 3/29/05 3:58pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/29/05 4:00pm (1 edits total) Edited By: HanSolo29
	I prefer the originals over the "redone" version. Like what was already pointed out in this thread, the updated FX(especially the CGI) just doesn't mesh with the original footage. Plus, things that were "fixed" (Hayden in ROTJ, "Alert my Star Destroyer...", Greedo, Boba Fett's voice) weren't broken to begin with. Why fix something that's not even broken? -----signature----- "One little spark of inspiration is at the heart of all creation." "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:13 One of Hammer's Angels Fly casual
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howardgarbo Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/29/05 4:07pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	There a couple of little minor details that I like such as: - matte lines being smoothed out in the rancor sequence - Whenever someone looks out of the spaceship cockpit, outer space is now black rather than dark brown.
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newwillorder Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 3/29/05 4:07pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Redone trilogy for me. I think the great stuff that was changed definitely outweighs the changes that aren't that good. I think there are even some more changes that could be done if Lucas chooses to do so. But I do feel bad for the people who want the originals. But for me, they're still the same movies with a different paint job in minor places.
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Louie Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/29/05 4:19pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	It just feels that lucas abuses his power to retell the stories. I think if he wants to redue some details that is fine and dandy, but i think that it should blend into the background, we shouldn't be able to really notice all that much. In episode IV, han chases some imperial soldiers around a corner only to find out that there are hundreds of them. That was impressive and looked good. It didn't flaunt any new shots, it just added to the picture which I enjoyed.
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Darth-Seldon Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 3/29/05 4:50pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	I don't notice much in the way of differences. What I do like is Ian in TESB and the new musical at the end of ROTJ. The one part I don't really like, is the dancers at Jabba's. The close ups of their mouths make them look even more fake. -Seldon -----signature----- Isaac Asimov was an innovative genius All posters are equal but some posters are more equal than others. JOE BIDEN 2012
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calidevilguy Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/29/05 5:00pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/29/05 5:29pm (1 edits total) Edited By: calidevilguy
	I like the new verison's. The way people make movies has changed. I think a lot people forget that when Star Wars first came out it wasn't the story or the characters that got people so into it and going to the threaters 2-3-4 times to see it, now critic's love the movie, I remember in 1977 almost no critic liked the movie. What made Star Wars was the special effects, thats what Star Wars has always been about, first and formost, and I think a lot people forget that. Today when several big budget, special effect movies come out each year its easy to take those effects for granted, but Star Wars has always been about pushing what effects can do. Now since the late 70's and early 80's there have been HUGE strides in special effects, and if GL wants too/can go back and improve the effect's in the old movies, I'm all for it. I WANT to see bigger and better X-Wing and Tie fighter battles. I WANT to see Star Detoryers and Mon Cal cruisers lobby vollys at each other (I REALLY hope they completely re-do the Endor battle), why would GL let old, dated effects stand if he can improve them and at least make them on par with whats being done today? I want to see more dynamic, interesting, moving, acting aliens. I want to see more interesting, open and involving enviroments. As for how "fake" they look, I think that is because we are the HARDCORE SW fans and we can tell even if they add a cough that wasn't there before. Everytime someone I know hasn't seen the movies before or hasn't seen them in a long time and doesn't remember whats in them and whats not sees them, they don't notice the new shots. I think thast a problem with most special effects, when we know they are there we see them and think they are fake, when we don't know we are follwed cause for the most part they look very good. A perfect example, for a year after its release I had no idea that every single clone trooper in AotC was CGI, I couldn't tell, the work they do on these movies is great and it took that experience for me to really see how good it was. So bring on a new edition of the movies in a big box set. Bring on Coursant, a completely re-done deathstar battle, Palpatine and Bail in ANH, bring on a new Hoth scene, Morrison and some fight scene additions in ESB, bring on a whole new space battle in RotJ. As long as the additions make sense and add to the story as a whole (unlike Greedo shooting first or Luke screaming-now gone) and they are not rushed and look good, the more the better.
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Louie Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/29/05 5:51pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	I don't consider myself a hardcore star wars fan. Removed from the movies i know next to nothing about the universe, i just joined this forum last night because i was interested in the new movie coming out. However I still notice the cgi, not because i'm a diehard fan, but because it just doesn't mesh well with the rest of the universe. George Lucas said he wanted to create a used universe (acording to the special features on the new boxed set) and it seems that he forgot this with all of the new computer animation. Sure some is nice, but its too much gloss and show. And no matter how much star wars is influenced by and has influenced technology, no story is remotely interesting with just special effects. It is about the characters and the plot. Without those any story is total garbage. Like I said before I think that we shouldn't even realize that there is a major difference between the two. Subtlety is not Lucas' strong point, and that appears to be the problem in the SE. Or at least my problem with it.
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Winston_Sith Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 3/29/05 6:49pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/29/05 6:50pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Winston_Sith
	Interesting question. I've decided that over the next few days, I'm going to watch my old VHS copies of the O-OT ANH VHS, and then the DVD of ANH, and then do the same with TESB, and ROTJ, and give you my opinion of each. FYI: I've done this experiment before, with the O-OT VHS's, and the SE VHS's, and I came out strongly on the side of the SE's, but who knows what will happen this time... -----signature----- Winston_Sith - Originator of the 'Frankenstein Theory' ROTS = the 1930's Monster Movie of The Saga http://boards.theforce.net/Revenge_of_the_Sith_/b10331/19892011/ Spoiler Free for SW TV!! http://boards.theforce.net/small_screen_star_wars/b10467/22279522/
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inkswamp Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 3/29/05 7:02pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	I don't have a strong preference for either, but I do disagree strongly with people who say that Lucas ruined the films or destroyed their childhood or whatever. You can make the case either way with a lot of this stuff. I like the reworked versions enough to forget about the original versions. I think 90% of the changes are good. For my money, the Sarlacc pit with the CGI addition is a helluva lot more tense than when I saw it in the theaters originally. It was always a great scene, but it just lacked some sense of impending danger that the presence of the creature's mouth adds. The parts where you see Lando and the mouth moving around behind him... wow. Originally, that all looked sort of tame, but now, it makes me a little nervous watching it. On the other hand, the music sequence in ROTJ just feels really out of place and sort of cartoony. -----signature----- LAME COMEBACK #1 - Lucas should have done it my way or it's wrong LAME COMEBACK #2 - I can't think metaphorically so it's a PLOT HOLE LAME COMEBACK #3 - Complex interpretations confuse me LAME COMEBACK #4 - Lucas must spoon-feed me every detail
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redsabreanakin Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 3/29/05 9:10pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	I like them both but i do have a special place for the originals. As some else posted; i've learned to accept the new ones. 1) the attack on the death star in ANH is simply stunning now. Not as static as before (even though at the time; that was state of the art with the motion control camera) 2)of all the gripes i've heard about changes (i.e. greedo shooting,inserting hayden, jedi rocks, etc) i havent minded to much but the thing i don't like is the removal of Lukes little wink to the jedi at the end of ROTJ. I always thought that was kind of cool; but it's gone now. -----signature----- "you always were a cunning linguist; James" "of course..no sense in going off half cocked" "keeping the british end up sir!" "well? providing the collars and cuffs match" "you'll just have to decide how much pumping is needed"
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