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davisjaron
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6/18/05 8:14pm
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Why Luke is put on Tatooine.
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Ok i'm tired of seeing countless people ask the question "why does obi wan take luke to tatooine"
well no due to popular believe it is not because he suffered head damage during the duel, and he isn't an idiot. Yes it is Anakin's home planet, and yes owen and beru do live there, but that is one of the reasons Luke is there.
Its very simple really and if you thought about it you would know. Here is why Luke is put on tatooine.
1. Anakins mother dies on tatooine, Vader refuses to go there becuase he doesn't want to remember that.
2. Tatooine was where he first met Padme' and of course padme' is dead so he doesn't want that memory coming back up either (just like his mother)
3. Darth Sidieous forbids him from going to tatooine becuase Sidieous probably knows that obi wan is there and he doesn't want Vader to get killed becuase we all know what happened in episode III, obi wan outsmartted him. (not confirmed, but probably)
Now, maybe I will stop hearing all these people complaining about it, lol. Its really not that hard to figure out.
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RebelScum77
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3. Darth Sidieous forbids him from going to tatooine becuase Sidieous probably knows that obi wan is there and he doesn't want Vader to get killed becuase we all know what happened in episode III, obi wan outsmartted him. (not confirmed, but probably)
COME AGAIN?? I don't think I quite understand you... A. Sidious knows Obi-Wan is on Tatooine and B. Doesn't do anything about it because he'll kill Vader??!!
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jedi_master_ousley
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Vader has no reason to go to Tatooine. He doesn't know Luke was born, he probably assumes that Obi-Wan could still be living, but he has no idea where to look. Tatooine isn't an important planet in the Empire, and therefore there's no reason he'd need to go there.
He obviously wans't beyond going back though - he was in orbit right above the planet in ANH. This also rules out the "Palpatine forbid him to go there" theory as well. How does Palpatine not letting him go there because Obi-Wan could be there even make sense? That'd be all the more reason for Vader to go there and kill Obi-Wan once and for all, perhaps with a squadron or two of stormtroopers to back him up.
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davisjaron
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6/18/05 8:33pm
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RE: Why Luke is put on Tatooinee
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well we already found out that obi wan is, obviously, the better fighter, and a few storm troopers wouldn't be anything, we all saw how obi wan and yoda busted into the temple.
And if Vader is killed then there is no "enforcer" which means sidieous would probably lose his power quite quickly.
So no, reason number 3 isn't counted out, though, like I said in the post, it is not confirmed.
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jedi_master_ousley
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well we already found out that obi wan is, obviously, the better fighter,
Anakin and Obi-Wan are very evently matched in lightsaber skills. The difference came down to Anakin's arrogance and overconfidence. He thought he was strong enough to jump up to battle Obi-Wan, when obviously he wasn't. It was a mistake of judgement, not of skill.
and a few storm troopers wouldn't be anything, we all saw how obi wan and yoda busted into the temple.
What about a few hundred stormtroopers? A few thosand? Vader has all that at his disposal. Hell, he could blow up the whole planet!
And if Vader is killed then there is no "enforcer" which means sidieous would probably lose his power quite quickly.
Or, he would find someone else to do his bidding. Sure, he lost Vader... but he'd get over it. Besides, the chances of Vader being killed would be next-to-none anyway. Not to mention that he's pretty expendable by the time the OT rolls around... Palpatine is ready to replace him with Luke.
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davisjaron
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6/18/05 8:55pm
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yes but Luke won't turn, and lack of sense accounts to lack of skill, if your not smart enough to know what not to do, then you obviously aren't as good as the other guy.
and also I believe the death star was destroyed to quickly for him to blow up tatooine, lol.
Also sidieous is an old man, he was going to die anyways, lol, would he even have time to train a new apprentice before he dies, or was *as some people say* he the apprentice of Darth Plageus and could keep himself from dieing, thats a pretty good question, lol.
And obviously Sidieous does care at least somewhat about Anakin/Vader. As some people are saying, sidieous was the apprentice of Darth Plageus, and Sidieous actually created Anakin for his plot to take over. And also sidieous was a mentor and basically helped raise anakin, and the sith rely on their passion for their power, so obviously they do care for someone, so sidieous most likely does care for Vader and would not want him to be killed.
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Are you serious? I can't believe you're actually serious.
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jedi_master_ousley
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yes but Luke won't turn,
Palpatine and Vader thought he would though.
and lack of sense accounts to lack of skill, if your not smart enough to know what not to do, then you obviously aren't as good as the other guy.
Controlling one's emotions has nothing to do with intelligence or skill.
and also I believe the death star was destroyed to quickly for him to blow up tatooine, lol.
You missed my point entirely.
Also sidieous is an old man, he was going to die anyways, lol, would he even have time to train a new apprentice before he dies, or was *as some people say* he the apprentice of Darth Plageus and could keep himself from dieing, thats a pretty good question, lol.
What's so funny? You're laughing quite a lot.
Anyway, Palpatine was certainly getting up there in age, but that doesn't mean he was about to die.
"Master Yoda, you can't die!"
"Strong am I with the Force, but not that strong."
What if Palpatine was that strong? He may not be able to have everlasting life, but it seems logical that he was able to prolong his life with the use of the dark side. It can be argued that one of the reasons that Vader continued to live was because of the dark side.
And obviously Sidieous does care at least somewhat about Anakin/Vader.
Yes, he does, but he was willing to get rid of Vader in interest of a new apprentice in Luke. "One who is much younger and more powerful."
As some people are saying, sidieous was the apprentice of Darth Plageus, and Sidieous actually created Anakin for his plot to take over.
What "some people" are saying does not mean that's the accurate answer. Personally, I think that Palpatine implied that to Anakin to spark his interest and draw him further into Palpatine's trust.
And also sidieous was a mentor and basically helped raise anakin, and the sith rely on their passion for their power, so obviously they do care for someone, so sidieous most likely does care for Vader and would not want him to be killed.
That's why he told Luke to kill Vader, right?
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davisjaron
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6/18/05 9:26pm
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he also told luke to kill him, that doesn't mean anything, and it seems he has already prolonged his life using the dark side, he was at least 50 in episode one, 60 maybe even 65 by episode II, by episode XI he would have to be at least 80 years old, so there is a good chance he has at least begun to prolong his life using the dark side.
About the darth plageus thing, I believe it could easily be true. Remember sidieous said that Darth Plageus had the ability to create life, and anakin had no father. Also in a web document on starwars.com Ian Mcdiamird said "Darth Sidieous isn't, we must assume, anakins natural father" impling that it is possible sidieous did create anakin, and it was hinted at the possibility in one of the star wars insider magazine #79 if I remember correctly.
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RE: Why Luke is put on Tatooine.
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"Darth Sidious isn't, we must assume, Anakin's natural father."
How does that imply that Sidioius is Anakin's father? And I shall add, at all?
edit: clarity
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and it seems he has already prolonged his life using the dark side, he was at least 50 in episode one, 60 maybe even 65 by episode II, by episode XI he would have to be at least 80 years old, so there is a good chance he has at least begun to prolong his life using the dark side.
So what's to say that he couldn't prolong his life even further? If he's already prolonging life, how do you come to the conclusion that he's nearing death?
Oh wait, you were talking about episode 11... whatever that is.
About the darth plageus thing, I believe it could easily be true. Remember sidieous said that Darth Plageus had the ability to create life, and anakin had no father.
Remember, Palpatine was being very manipulative and trying to get Anakin to join him. He also asked Anakin to "learn his power," and then later in the film he says something along the lines of the two of them working together to discover this power. He went from having it to needing Anakin's help to discover it.
He said what Anakin wanted to hear, not what was necessarily true.
Also in a web document on starwars.com Ian Mcdiamird said "Darth Sidieous isn't, we must assume, anakins natural father" impling that it is possible sidieous did create anakin, and it was hinted at the possibility in one of the star wars insider magazine #79 if I remember correctly.
Yes, it's possible. However, that is not what I got ouf of watching the film. I saw it as another of Palpatine's half-truths to light a fire in Anakin's mind. Palpatine or Plagueis creating Anakin would completely contradict the entire point of the Chosen One prophecy.
The FORCE created Anakin as the Chosen One to bring balance to the Force.
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davisjaron
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"About the darth plageus thing, I believe it could easily be true. Remember sidieous said that Darth Plageus had the ability to create life, and anakin had no father.
Remember, Palpatine was being very manipulative and trying to get Anakin to join him. He also asked Anakin to "learn his power," and then later in the film he says something along the lines of the two of them working together to discover this power. He went from having it to needing Anakin's help to discover it."
exactly, sidieous could know the power and have lied about not knowing it so that anakin would join him.
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davisjaron posted:
exactly, sidieous could know the power and have lied about not knowing it so that anakin would join him.
He told Anakin that he knew the power first, which makes sense. Only after Anakin joined him did he admit to not knowing the power.
In any case, this is getting waaay off topic now.
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"3. Darth Sidieous forbids him from going to tatooine becuase Sidieous probably knows that obi wan is there and he doesn't want Vader to get killed becuase we all know what happened in episode III, obi wan outsmartted him. (not confirmed, but probably)"
Sidious doesn't know where either Obi Wan or Yoda have hidden. If he had, he would have had the Imperial military invade both planets, and probably have Vader lead the attacks personally. Yoda & Obi Wan may be powerful Jedi, but they can't cut through whole armies.
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davisjaron
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I believe I have proof that Palpatine created anakin. Its a quote from Rick McCallum in the hyperspace celebrity forums.
"so, who do you think created Anakin? Plagueis or Palpatine?" - obi-kirya
"For me, personally, Palpatine. But George only knows for sure." - Rick McCallum
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That is Rick's personal opinion, not a definitive answer. The flim leaves it open to personal interpretation. That was his.
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