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jedi_master_ousley
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6/22/05 1:44am
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What drew Luke to Bespin?
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At the time that Luke first sensed the pain and suffering of his friends at Bespin, they hadn’t even arrived yet. Clearly, as Yoda stated, Luke was seeing into the future. It could be and has been argued that the torture of Han was administered by Vader for the sole purpose of luring Luke to Bespin.
However, isn’t it more logical that Luke sensed Leia’s distress at the situation rather than Han’s physical pain? Han has no connection to the Force – and although he and Luke are friends, I doubt that Luke was that well attuned to foresee his pain.
Leia was clearly distressed at the situation, and feeling much emotional pain and suffering. Luke and Leia share a bond through the Force (as shown after the duel, when he calls out to her). Therefore, I believe that it was Leia who drew Luke to Bespin.
Who or what do you consider the cause of Luke's impulsive journey to Bespin?
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Darth-Lando
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Someone doesn't have to been in tune with the force for other force-users to feel their pain. Remember that Obi-Wan felt it when Alderaan blew up and I highly doubt it that there were many force-users there. It was probobly a combination of Leia's, Han's, heck even Chewie's pain that drew him there. His close friendship with all of them only hieghtened his feelings for them.
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RedKitten
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It was defenatly Han and Leia's pain.
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MeBeJedi
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"Remember that Obi-Wan felt it when Alderaan blew up and I highly doubt it that there were many force-users there."
That was the first thing that came to my mind as well. I don't think even Vader knew what it would take to draw Luke there, but he had more than enough people to experiment on. Ultimately, his plan worked...up until the point where Luke jumped.
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jedi_master_ousley
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DarthLando posted:
Remember that Obi-Wan felt it when Alderaan blew up and I highly doubt it that there were many force-users there.
But since everything is a part of the Force, it is logical that an entire planet being destroyed would generate feelings within a Force user. The loss of that much life if any kind would be enough to create a disturbance.
DarthLando posted:
It was probobly a combination of Leia's, Han's, heck even Chewie's pain that drew him there. His close friendship with all of them only hieghtened his feelings for them.
Well, I can agree with that...
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MeBeJedi
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"But since everything is a part of the Force, it is logical that an entire planet being destroyed would generate feelings within a Force user. The loss of that much life if any kind would be enough to create a disturbance."
Luke didn't feel it. 
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jedi_master_ousley
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He wasn't exactly the most powerful Force user at that time either. He was just beginning to learn to use the Force, and therefore it is logical that he wouldn't be nearly as perceptive about such things.
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ClonedEmperor
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In a (non canon mind you, infinities) there is a reference that vader may have sent the vision to Luke. Boba Fett asks Vader if they should spread the word that his friends have been caotured, and Vader replies "He knows"
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spacename_the_name
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ever wonder why they tortured han, but yet "never asked any questions". that would be the answer to your question
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One could take the argument that Han was tortured because Vader just felt like it... maybe the suit was feeling a bit uncomfortable that day 
It could also be argued that torturing Leia would have been more effective... but since Vader didn't know she was his daughter, there was no way for him to know this.
In general, though, I would tend to agree that it was the general suffering of friends that caused the vision Luke would have... even though cause would then be coming after effect. The Force, then, is seen as virtually omniscient, or perhaps just 'knowing' what was likely to happen.
As a side note, it seems like Vader may have been expecting Luke to be with his friends on the Falcon. Maybe anger over that caused Han's torture
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Lynch69
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The line "I saw a city in the clouds" might have narrowed down his search quite a bit. Can't be to many of them.
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ClonedEmperor
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In the novel after Luke said that Yoda answered "Bespin, I see it to. Concentrate on it, and see them you will" Go Yoda on his galactic geography
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Doni
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Good points. I hadn't thought of this as an explanation for the "didn't ask any questions" aspect of Han's torture.
(That was one of the scenes that made ESB the SCARIEST MOVIE EVER when I was 8.)
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AzureAngel2
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Jep! The rescue was even more scary to me as a 7 year old. Anyway: what drew Luke to Bespin? Curiosity kills the cat and makes people lose their hands.
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Well Vader was obviously using this way to get Luke to Bespin because he has personal experience about seeing friends and loved ones in pain in visions.And then going over to help them no matter what.That's the only reason he wants to capture the Falcon so desperately.He knows Luke's friends are on it and he knows that if he captures them and causes them enough pain Luke will eventually feel it.He had no idea where Luke was so it was the only way to get him there.
And since Luke is so much like his father...he would never let his friends die like that.It doesn't even matter that both Yoda and Obi-Wan warn him about it,he just doesn't listen.
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I've often wondered how Vader knew these were Luke's friends though. I mean, just b/c the MF cleared the way for him to destroy the Death Star or just because he was with them to rescue the Pricess? Did he really even see Luke inside the Death Star? The doors closed before Vader got very close to Luke.
I think this and the fact that he insisted that he knew the MF was not destroyed in the asteroid field means that he was sensing Leia and maybe sensing her thoughts. I also think he tortured Han, not Leia, because he wanted to get a strong reaction sent out by Leia. Her reaction to Han's torture through the Force was stronger than a reaction she would have for her own torture. Maybe he felt that she was Force sensitive even prior to the glance in the carbon freezing chamber (if you subscribe to the thought that Leia created a tremor in the Force there and Vader noticed it - thus the glance).
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