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DarthBreezy Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 7/19/04 8:19am Subject: Etiquette - The Gray Areas: Awards '06 (Some Reminders) - Date Edited: 2/9/06 3:46pm (6 edits total) Edited By: rhonderoo
	I thought we were long over due for this thread. It's not meant to supersede the excellent FAQ nor undermine the rules, but just a general lesson in 'Miss Manners' Lately I've noticed a spate of 'ill manners' has invaded our relatively peaceful forums. Flames disguised as disagreeing over characterization/story telling, 'coat-tailing'... little things that really sting. What are your pet peeves? Keep them general, unless it's really bad then please contact one of our friendly neighborhood moderators for assistance. Edited because my beta reader makes mistakes too! Edit Feb 06: See NEW REVITALISED AWARDS DISCUSSION! -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/29640754/p1 Dear Tam - an AU post ROTJ story told through the eyes of a child "It's hard, being a Jedi..." - Pem Skywalker Anywhere Is Possible
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DarthIshtar Title: Former CR Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/19/04 8:42am Subject: RE: ettiquestte - the gray areas
	THis will be general because all people who openly hate me do the same thing. So, if you think it's directed at you, you fulfill pet peeve #3. And before anyone can flame me for any of these three things, they're all true. Especially #2. 1) Flaming plot points--people think that they can disguise flaming by disagreeing on plot points, like Breezy said. I get a lot of this. Most of my readers are wonderful, but there are some very spiteful people. 2) Open flaming that I just never bother to report because I get bullied--I'm tired of being boycotted, being flamed, having people be 'warned' about me without giving me a chance. And then, when I tell the people that their posts are pushing me towards reporting, they start bullying me, telling me how useless I am, telling me that I'm weak and stupid if I want to get protection. So, instead, I feel like bantha fodder 80% of the time I'm here. I stay for the other 20%, where people make me laugh, make me enjoy writing and reading here. 3) Paranoia--when people assume anything I say is of the dark side, so they've even gone so far as getting me officially warned once for reasons I still do not understand and do not care to understand. I come on a thread, say that the sky is blue, and have people turn that into me thinking they're wrong for having the sky cloudy that day. I just don't bother discussing any more sometimes and these people are driving me to the point where I don't even want to read or review any more because there's only so much I can take. I've reached the "so much" point about 15 times since 2001, but I've been kept here by good friends. -----signature----- "I feel like a more down-to-earth Pink 5 when I'm writing Leah. Same attitude, less lip gloss." ~Me on how to get in the right mindset for Twilight fanfic.
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VaderLVR64 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 7/19/04 9:24am Subject: RE: ettiquestte - the gray areas - Date Edited: 7/19/04 9:28am (1 edits total) Edited By: VaderLVR64
	Yeah, the disguised flaming is a lot of fun, isn't it? What really burns me is when someone posts that one of my characters did something unrealistic and then posts another thread stating why this same action is totally believable IN THE SAME CHARACTER! That's happened once, and all I could do is laugh! I write because I enjoy it. I didn't write a word for ten years and now I find myself reveling in the chance to put words together. Sometimes I do a better job than others, but that's okay. I really thought the whole idea of fan fiction was to have fun and enjoy others' stories, but some people take it SO SERIOUSLY! In the big scheme of things, is this really all that important? Believe me when I say that if my stories here were the biggest worry in my life I would be thrilled. I am not in competition with other writers, I am in competition with myself. I strive to write better with each story I write. I've read some stories here that simply blew me away they were so good. And I've read some that weren't quite so good (including some of my own, LOL). But I don't feel a need to make any negative comment about someone else's story. If I truly can't find ONE good thing to say I just won't post a response, but almost always there is something good there that you can compliment. I try to treat other writers as I would like to be treated. -----signature----- R.I.P John, Alex, Jason, and Christian Never forgotten Soldiers' Angels http://soldiersangels.org/ 2114 soldiers waiting for someone to care
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DarthIshtar Title: Former CR Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/19/04 9:39am Subject: RE: ettiquestte - the gray areas
	What really burns me is when someone posts that one of my characters did something unrealistic and then posts another thread stating why this same action is totally believable IN THE SAME CHARACTER! Yup, that kind of double standard drives me nuts. I really thought the whole idea of fan fiction was to have fun and enjoy others' stories, but some people take it SO SERIOUSLY! I take my fanfiction seriously, but not to the point where I have to belittle or sneer at people's efforts. What ever did happen to fun? But I don't feel a need to make any negative comment about someone else's story. If I truly can't find ONE good thing to say I just won't post a response, but almost always there is something good there that you can compliment. I'm glad you brought this up, because there is always something to praise, even if it's the fact that someone put two letters together successfully. Find the good in everything. -----signature----- "I feel like a more down-to-earth Pink 5 when I'm writing Leah. Same attitude, less lip gloss." ~Me on how to get in the right mindset for Twilight fanfic.
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sdhfs Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 7/19/04 9:45am Subject: RE: ettiquestte - the gray areas
	I know what you mean vadie about people taking things too seriously i never have wrote a bad comment i mean if someone wrote something that was in a word ** i wouldn't go on and tell them it was i would just stalk out of there and go read something else but anyway someone commented on one of my stories the other day and i swear you people must have traumatized her she said one little comment on something and then started apologising for every little thing she said, all i'm saying is if you can't take a bad comment don't write stories wait what are we talking about. Oh and talking ** to people is not very nice why must you put other people down it doesn't help its not creative just chill out thats my attitude -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/16229314/?30 Up is obidala at it's best love chooses you you don 't choose it. Death is but death why are you afraid of it ?
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geo3 Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 7/19/04 9:50am Subject: RE: ettiquestte - the gray areas
	I guess no one bothers to read that most excellent document, the Fan Fiction FAQ, any more. It's right there, in bright red ink: Addressing other posters/real world people: (the local version): At fanfic, we have a long standing custom of not "arguing" with stories or flaming them. While great discussions may arise from the questions a story brings up, what should not be questioned is the premise of the story. If you don't think it's likely that Obi-Wan would quit the Jedi Order to pursue a career as a lounge singer, that's fine, but the author of such a story obviously has other ideas, and attacking the basic premise of the story isn't going to promote good discussion. We also do not criticize spelling and grammar. People who might not know this would get a polite PM informing them of this "local" standard. For people who are well aware of it, it would be considered flamebaiting. -----signature----- “Your life is an occasion. Rise to it!” --- Mr. Magorium
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DarthBreezy Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 7/19/04 9:55am Subject: RE: ettiquestte - the gray areas
	Thank you Geo3 for pulling that out of the FAQ, I do believe that as of late, the Local standard has been forgotten and pushed by the wayside in a misguided effort for people to appear witty and informed. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/29640754/p1 Dear Tam - an AU post ROTJ story told through the eyes of a child "It's hard, being a Jedi..." - Pem Skywalker Anywhere Is Possible
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DarthIshtar Title: Former CR Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/19/04 9:56am Subject: RE: ettiquestte - the gray areas
	Well-said Geo3! -----signature----- "I feel like a more down-to-earth Pink 5 when I'm writing Leah. Same attitude, less lip gloss." ~Me on how to get in the right mindset for Twilight fanfic.
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geo3 Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 7/19/04 10:01am Subject: RE: ettiquestte - the gray areas - Date Edited: 7/19/04 10:02am (1 edits total) Edited By: geo3
	bows Here's a pet peeve of mine: I call it "politically correct flaming" - it's when something that has been said in a discussion is completely ignored and passed over, as though the point is not worthy of being addressed, but nothing negative is said... -----signature----- “Your life is an occasion. Rise to it!” --- Mr. Magorium
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red_rose_knight Registered: Sep '01	Date Posted: 7/19/04 10:02am Subject: RE: ettiquette - the gray areas - Date Edited: 7/19/04 10:03am (1 edits total) Edited By: red_rose_knight
	Excellent reminder, geo3! Please remember, if you find youself in these situations, please contact a mod. We try to keep a lookout but things do get missed. -----signature----- The beautiful part of writing is that you don't have to get it right the first time, unlike, say, a brain surgeon. – Robert Cromier
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VaderLVR64 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 7/19/04 10:11am Subject: RE: ettiquette - the gray areas
	I don't mean people to think that I don't realize the time and effort that goes into writing, I KNOW the sweat and tears it can take. I take it seriously in that I put forth my best effort in everything I write. Sometimes the muse speaks louder than others. I didn't want anyone to think that I'm downplaying the love and work we ALL put into our stories. I take writing seriously, which is what DarthIshtar is saying (I hope, LOL!) but I take people's reactions with a grain of salt. I don't generally use a beta, but I've been known to run "risky" ideas past a trusted friend or co-writer. I remember two of the biggest thrills for me on this board. 1) when an author whose work I admired sent me a PM telling me she liked my story! WOW! I felt like I was on cloud nine the whole day. 2) the day another writer whose work I very much admired added me to their "watched user" list. These weren't public posts but they meant a lot to ME because they were from people I considered talented and whose opinion I valued very much. Sometimes it is the small tokens of appreciation that mean the most, especially if they are from someone we admire. I have to say though, that my experiences here have been overwhelmingly positive. I've had some PM's that just absolutely made my day! And so far no nasty ones! Ooops, perhaps I shouldn't have said that! -----signature----- R.I.P John, Alex, Jason, and Christian Never forgotten Soldiers' Angels http://soldiersangels.org/ 2114 soldiers waiting for someone to care
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DarthIshtar Title: Former CR Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/19/04 10:14am Subject: RE: ettiquette - the gray areas
	Perhaps that's a thread we should start--what we appreciate about the boards. I took too much advantage of this, vented whatever and however I was feeling because no one's bothered to ask. But I agree with your cloud 9 moments, when you feel like there's worth to what you're doing, when those you admire give you kudos of your own. -----signature----- "I feel like a more down-to-earth Pink 5 when I'm writing Leah. Same attitude, less lip gloss." ~Me on how to get in the right mindset for Twilight fanfic.
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Sara_Kenobi Registered: Sep '00	Date Posted: 7/19/04 10:24am Subject: RE: ettiquette - the gray areas
	I'm happy to say I've had very little negative experiences with this since I've been a member on the boards. When I do encounter this-- I just tell myself that it doesn't matter what they think about my work. I also happily give a reply back of "thank-you". I suggest that most of all even though it can be difficult, because usually you'll never see them again. Especially if you prove to them that their comment didn't bother you. -----signature----- Legacy: http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/30582247/p1/?0
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Jedikma Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 7/19/04 10:28am Subject: RE: ettiquette - the gray areas - Date Edited: 7/19/04 10:30am (1 edits total) Edited By: Jedikma
	It is really great when someone whose writing you admire drops in on one of your stories. That makes my day too. Fortunately, I have not been flamed, but I have seen people flamed and believe me it makes the flamer look quite pathetic. Far worse than the flamee could ever look. Flamers are just jealous people that can't stand the attention the writer is getting. Hard as it may seem, perhaps the writer should take it as a compliment. Then contact a mod and have the person taken care of. btw I just want to comment that the mods had to handle a couple of sticky situations over the weekend and they did it quite well. I feel good just knowing they are there! -----signature----- Twice in a Lifetime 7/31 http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/16813029 A Quiet Afternoon http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/23305946 follow up vig to: A New Order http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/17525231
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sdhfs Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 7/19/04 10:30am Subject: RE: etiquette - the gray areas
	How about this, you set up a tout group seriously no ** get groups of people to join and tout on those wastes of space that just have to put other more positive people down i mean people should be able to have fun without getting their heads done in by melters and i have never complanied about any of those waste of spacers mentioned so i wouldn't know if say red_rose_Knight was told by someone that so and so was giving me ** so i'll just ask if you do put people down do you get a warning saying so and so has made a complant because if you do i think no names should be given. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/16229314/?30 Up is obidala at it's best love chooses you you don 't choose it. Death is but death why are you afraid of it ?
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MariahJade2 Title: Former Fan Fiction Archive Editor Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 7/19/04 10:33am Subject: RE: etiquette - the gray areas
	Perhaps that's a thread we should start--what we appreciate about the boards. That's what I was trying to do with my thread, remind us all of the positives. -----signature----- Have a question or suggestion for the Archive? Ask the NEWBS! Thank you Phillies! World Series Champs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7CI39brXvw "Why can't us" Best line of 2008
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