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Senator_Cilghal
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Date Posted:
12/8/03 12:01pm
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Marvel did it all first
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1 Jaxxon=Jar Jar Binks
2 Behemoth from Below=Leviathan of Corbos
3 Lumiya=Mara Jade
4 Crimson Jack=Booster Terrik
5 Crimson Cruiser=Errant Venture
6 Flint=Dolph (Kueller)
7 Nagai=Yuuzhan Vong
8 "Ship" in the void=YV vessels
9 Luke's old students=Jedi Academy bunch
10 Alliance of Free Planets=New Republic
11 ships vs. dragonlords of Drexel=Beast Wars of Onderon (Iziz vs. beastlords)
12) backtory of Boba Fett=backstory of Boba Fett
13) Tarkin=Darksaber
other submissions?
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Blithe
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Date Posted:
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RE: Marvel did it all first
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Wow. I knew Mara Jade was a obvious copy of Shira Brie but I never knew marvel had that many ideas! [face_shocked]
uh...Go Marvel! I guess they arent so lame after all.. 
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Genghis12
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RE: Marvel did it all first
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Blue-skinned, red-eyed alien Imperial (Grand) General Ska'ar = Thrawn
Blue-skinned, red-eyed alien Imperial leader Suprema = Thrawn
Alien slaves of Vader duped into service to him by nefarious means, Skye'tri = Noghri
Rik Duel = Talon Karrde (even has the goatee)
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12/8/03 12:24pm
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Please.
The Nagai would have WIPED the Yuuzhan Vong.
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Valiento
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Date Posted:
12/8/03 12:36pm
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RE: Marvel did it all first
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"Luke's old students=Jedi Academy bunch"
Luke's old students do not equal jedi, but just military/navy enlistee's.
Ok for the quotes, so that the context can be derived from the original marvel text(I have posted this elsewhere as well);
Ackbar; "Therefore it is essential that we keep our own own forces in top order. Commander Skywalker how goes the training of your most recent group of recruits?."
So apparently Luke has previous groups of recruits, this is only his "most recent".
Luke; "Oh...Uh, fine Admiral. They'll do okay. I'm sure of it."
Dracos; "Commander Skywalker...I have a question. Most of us do..."
Luke; "Go ahead and ask it, Dracos."
Dracos; "Well, You've been training us to the exclusion of almost all of your other duties... In spite of your being a great war hero. And we've been learning great stuff... Meditation, Fighting Skills, General Conditioning, Markmanship... We really Appreciate it... But some of us are wondering... when are you gonna teach us the real stuff?
Only "some" of the recruits(which would mean "not all") are interested in luke's real stuff? What's the real stuff? Read on....
Dracos; When are we gonna be Jedi Knights, like you, with magic? When are gonna teach us to use the Force.
So only "some" of the recruits were wondering when he was going to actually teach them the force. Apparently the meditation was not Jedi meditation, as he was not teaching them the force, but perhaps closer to the kind we have on earth that anyone can do(not requiring any mystical powers). The kind used to clear one's senses, by releasing all thoughts from the mind...
Luke; "I'm not, Dracos. I can't. I know its what a lot of you were probably expecting--and hoping for--When the alliance leaders assigned me to be your instructor... Maybe It's even what Admiral Ackbar had in mind... But I can't Do it..."
So obviously there was some superstition in the alliance, some thinking that just anyone can learn the force. Which even including "a lot"(which of course points out "not all") of his recruits, and possibly Ackbar himself was thinking that anyone could be trained in the ways of the force. But that doesn't mean that all of them even had any connection to the force at all. They also saw it as being "magic".
Barney; "But if you can do it yourself, all those mental tricks, and controlling objects and energy. Why can't you show us how?"
So Luke never began teaching him the ways of the Force. It doesn't even appear that he had plans to do it... Just like his previous groups of recruits he apparently only intended on training like any other alliance trainer, to train them to be alliance navy or military personnel.
Luke; "Because there's a big difference between being able to do something, and being able to teach it, Barney... Because the potential for abuse--if any of you turned out to have talent and learned anything without learning everything,--is staggering. And I don't want to be reponsible for that."
Luke points out his worries for why he hasn't yet chosen to train any of his recruit groups in the ways of the force, because if any of his recruits had force talent, so they can have the ability to learn to use the force, which he apparently doesn't know if they have any or not (which points out that not all of them may have had any force sensitivity at all), he doesn't want to be responsible for creating any dark siders.
rik Duel; "Hey, come on now, Junior. You talk like you're the only Jedi Knight around, but you must have learned this stuff somewhere. Or were you born knowing it?
Luke: No, I had a teacher. A very good, very wise teacher. But...He was old. and He's passed on.
From that it would appear that even rik Duel wants to learn to use the force. But that doesn't necessarily mean that he has an affinity to use the force(he may be one of the superstitious ones that thinks its some kind of magic that anyone can learn), considering that luke didn't even know if they had any sensitivity, to the force.
Again not all of the recruits Ackbar gave him wanted to learn the force, but many did(which may include previous recruits from his previous groups), though Luke wasn't certain if any of them had any talent for the force, and he didn't want to find out at that time.
It would seem that the recruits that wanted Luke to train them in the ways of the Jedi, may have been much like Uldir during JJK novels.
Flint = Dark Lord of the Sith, Kueller does not = Dark Lord of the Sith.
"General Ska'ar = Thrawn
Blue-skinned, red-eyed alien Imperial"
General Ska'ar is more purplish skinned, red eyed in some pictures, orange eyed in others, black eyed in others, white eyed in others(in marvel reprints and my original copies), and doesn't look human like thrawn.
Both = aliens, but both don't equal same colors, or physical look.
"leader Suprema = Thrawn"
Suprema is more violet skinned, with deep purple skin in some spots, orange eyed(with firey pupils) in marvel reprints (and my original print copies).
Both = aliens, but both don't equal color, or physical looks.
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Senator_Cilghal
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12/8/03 12:56pm
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Flint = Dark Lord of the Sith, Kueller does not = Dark Lord of the Sith.
I never meant they had to be identical in every regard. Consider the similarities:
Both came from worlds opressed and violent on the fringes of society (Belderone, Almania).
Both orphaned (Flint's mom killed by Galactic Civil War, Dolph's family killed by the Je'Har)
Both trained with Luke
Both turned to the Dark Side
Both made themselves warlords over their respective homeworlds
Both took on dorky villain names (Dark Lord of Belderone, Kueller)
Both wore weird-looking, sinister masks (Flint's Sith helmet-mask, Kueller's death mask).
Both have no surname!
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Date Posted:
12/8/03 12:59pm
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RE: Marvel did it all first
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So? What you described makes them more like Vader than anything(Kueller, was a major rip off of Vader,  , not even tastefully done IMO)...
Oh, and I don't remember luke ever trained Flint... Infact that was one of the reasons flint was so angry at luke, because luke had refused to give him the one thing he really wanted, "power of the force"? Correct me if I'm wrong?
Lumiya = Vader more, as well,  .
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12/8/03 1:14pm
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RE: Marvel did it all first
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Cilghal...
"I never meant they had to be identical in every regard. Consider the similarities."
B I N G O
And actually, Marvel "did it all first" even before Lucas. Star Wars Annual #3 - "The Apprentice" (Flint's origin story) reads much like (exactly like, in the case of Flint's dead parents) Episode I & II, which is "Vader's origin" story.
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Tarkin=Death Star II:)
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Well, Vader did train Flint at least, so...
Dolph--trained by a Skywalker
Flint--trained by a Skywalker
And check this out--
Flint--trained as a Sith by a Sith, but goes good in the end
Dolph--trained as a Jedi by a Jedi, but goes bad in the end
hey, Balance in the Force:)
Yes, Dolph was a ripoff of Vader; so was Flint
one more thing they have in common
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I'm a big Marvel fan, but I think that most of these are a bit of a stretch. Rik Duel? C'mon, he's nothing like Talon Karrde. Dash Rendar, maybe. The funny thing about Rik is that he's every bit as arrogant and dashing as Han Solo--without the ability or the sense to back it up. And while Crimson Jack is a pirate with a Star Destroyer, like Booster (or Kybo Ren, for that matter) their characters have almost nothing in common.
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Rik Duel is a pun on Han Solo.
Duel = 2. Solo = 1, :P...
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Very interesting stuff. Didn't know about this.
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Well, Marvel doesn't have anyone resembling Pellaeon or Bel Iblis, do they?
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"Bel Iblis"
Well, Cody Sun-Childe has a similarity in a very remote way(Rebel Leader, that left the rebellion and went into hiding)...
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True. Cody was there in the early days of the Rebellion, and was dissatisfied with the way the others were running the show. He went off on his own until Lando had to go snap him out of it and get him to fight the Empire again.
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