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Latorski Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 3/6/05 8:20am Subject: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	I know conventional wisdom states that Sidious uses everyone and cares about no one, but he'd trained Maul since he was a child. We don't know much of Sidious' backstory, and its possible Maul was his first apprentice. He might have been like a son to him. The Sith can have attachments. They have feelings.
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Cereal_Killa Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/6/05 9:25am Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	If there was a cut scene of Sidious from TPM holding Maul's cut lightsaber all by himself and crying saying that now he has to get a new apprentice then you might be on to something. But there isn't. He has no feelings for any of his apprentices other then "Oh well got to start over again." That is it.
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Darth Kruel Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 3/6/05 9:33am Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	Friendship is altogether different on the dark side. Maul is nothing more than a useful tool to assist in Sidious's goals and aspirations. There's not evidence to support that Sidious actually 'cares' about anyone other than himself. -----signature----- I only pose as a Sith to bring them down from within. The Jedi are my brotherhood, my family, and the Living Force is my salvation.
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Stuey Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 3/6/05 12:04pm Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	i think rather than love, it would have been more like the pride of a craftsman in whatever he labours a long time to produce. when Maul died then Sidious would just have to start over and train a better apprentice -----signature----- Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion
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Sith-Jedi-Master Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 3/6/05 4:07pm Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	Well he trained him from birth and he was he apprentice... So yeah i think there was a bond there...but nothing in the father and son...sidious used him more like a pawn in a chess game to get to his goal. -----signature----- Return to Power: A DvL RPG http://boards.theforce.net/new_south_wales/b10034/26609636/p1/?3
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MANDALORIAN Registered: Mar '99	Date Posted: 3/9/05 3:48am Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	Exactly. -----signature----- "I don't really care that much about Star Wars itself. But it has allowed me to push the boundaries of Digital Effects and finance additional research" - George Lucas
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Obi_Frans Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 3/9/05 7:37am Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul? - Date Edited: 3/9/05 9:00am (1 edits total) Edited By: Obi_Frans
	"We are indebted to your bravery, Obi Wan Kenobi" I think Sidious definitely had a bond with Maul, whether that was built on love - i don't think so, more pride (as has been mentioned) and perhaps even fatherly expectations/admirations, but not fatherly love. He definitely repays his debt to Obi Wan by turning Anakin though. - O_F -----signature----- "He only wanted to save them. Padme, from death. Obi-Wan, from ignorance But they failed to recognize his power. Instead, Padme was dead & Obi-Wan was running for his life As stripped of everything as Vader was. Without friends, family, purpose" - Vader
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Darth_Ramsis Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/10/05 12:35am Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	Love is a bold word to describe their relationship. They had a working relationship. Darth Maul was Sidious' weapon and an extension of his will. I would agree that Darth Maul was a source of pride for Sidious and that it pained him to lose him but only in the sense that Maul partially failed in his duty by only killing Qui-Gon Jinn. But Sidious never shed a tear for Darth Maul. In the end, Maul would have come after Sidious for control and the title of Dark Lord of the Sith. It more than obvious that Sidious had already put his back up plans in motion in the event that Darth Maul failed him. So no, Sidious didn't love Maul as father to son, teacher to student, but loved him as one would love their car or another possession. -----signature----- "Are you threatening me, Master Jedi?" The Expanded Universe side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be... crappy. Long live the ExU!
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LordBlack Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/10/05 4:04am Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	True Sith dont love. -----signature----- LONG LIVE THE IMPERIUM OF MAN In love with Padme "War is a catalyst which accelerates many important developments and nourish's national and personal ingenuity" - M.A.F
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darthYENIK Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 3/10/05 9:54am Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	Maybe sidious forsaw darth maul's demise, and qui-gon taking anakin as his apprentice. And figured, it was a fair trade off. Cause who knows what would have happened if qui-gon lived to teach anakin. Anyway back on topic. I figure he saw Maul as a pawn in a chess game. You could keep him to protect the king, but their true purpose is to die in the end. -----signature----- DarthYENIK
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Soloman66 Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/10/05 9:57am Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	Love is a strong word. The Sith have feelings - that is what gets them in trouble - lures them to the dark side. However, Sidious had to know that his apprentice would have trouble defeating both Jedi. Remember that his ultimate goal at the time was to create dissention in the galaxy - governments, jedi, etc.
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DarthVoltaire Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/10/05 8:33pm Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	No, Sith do not love anything. They only hate. -----signature----- "How much you wanna bet I can throw a football over them mountains?" "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Sith, at last we will have return." 1. TESB 4. ROTJ 2. ANH 5. AOTC 3. (ROTS) 6. TPM
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sith_rising Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 3/10/05 10:10pm Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	I wouldn't say that he loved him, or that he was heartbroken by Maul's death. However, I'm sure that he felt something akin to loss. Even if he is pure evil, you don't train someone in a one-on-one relationship from birth without developing some sort of bond with them. It would be like teaching your only son to be an assassin from birth, his only goal in life to kill your own enemies. No matter how much you detached yourself, his death would effect you, even if you saw it as no more than a wasted investement in time and knowledge. The craftsmanship analogy was good, kinda like somebody burning down your handmade log cabin or stealing a car you spent years personally modifying. You can replace it, but it takes time to grow into the new one. -----signature----- "My mentor taught me everything about the Force, even the nature of the Dark Side"
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black_saber Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 3/12/05 4:27pm Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	No Sidious is a user. He uses people to achive what he wants and Diseres most. All sith have done that. -----signature----- "Just when I thought I was out , they push me back in." I never liked micheal Jackson and he was always a looney.
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DeadDooku Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 3/12/05 9:06pm Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	Hmmm Jedi are forbidden to have attachments as well, yet the bond of master to apprentice is very strong. Vader DID hesitate to kill his Master in ROTJ which almost cost him his only son so that bond is powerful. I think Sidious does have feelings or attachments of some kind to Maul, Dooku, and Vader but his first order of business is to be a mean Sith so I wouldn't say he "loves" them.
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Darth_Zoo Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 3/12/05 10:52pm Subject: RE: Did Darth Sidious love Darth Maul?
	I don't think so. In RotJ he wasn't even seem interested in looking sad that Vader was getting is bum beat down by Luke. He sat there and laughed at the whole thing. Sidious is a cruel and hateful man. He probably had pride towards Maul but definetly not love. -----signature----- TPM, AotC, RotS, ANH, TESB, RotJ
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