Author Topic: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
Thraxwhirl 
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Date Posted: 11/2/03 2:19pm Subject: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation. - Date Edited: 11/2/03 2:47pm (6 edits total) Edited By: Thraxwhirl
Greetings, fellow JCers.

I should like to take an opportunity if I may, to share with you my appreciation of my favourite musician and songster, Roger Waters, one-time driving force behind Pink Floyd.

I ran a thread on him last August(2002) which ran as follows here, but I didn't do much to take care of it, and then left the JC for a while for reasons which shan't be of interest to most of you here, and so the thread fell into disrepair and obscurity.

However, since April of this year, it's been my privilege to hook up with Darth-Floyd, who's of a similar bent to myself, and who loves Pink Floyd and Roger Waters as I do, so he suggested we quit gassing about him in the 'What CD' thread, and devote one to him so we can stop cluttering that one up.

It also seems, on the strength of D-F's line-by-line threads, that there is still some interest(perhaps new to the boards since my old Waters thread) in taking a look at the man and the prog outfit from which he emerged.

Then again, maybe not. sad

Anyway, here's the thread. happy

Firt up, here's a pic of Roger Waters:



Here's some info on the man, which I found on the net:

George Roger Waters was born on September 6, 1943. He was born in Great Bookham, in Surrey, which is near a town called Dorking, about twenty miles south of London. Many of his songs are about the Second World War, in which his father, Eric Fletcher Waters (to whom The Final Cut was dedicated) died during the British invasion of Anzio, Italy. Waters describes his childhood in this Musician Magazine, 1992 interview.

Roger Waters started playing on "The Abdabs" (1965). The Abdabs mostly played rhythm and blues songs. Juliette later married Wright, and she, Noble, and Metcalf all quit the band. Waters then brought in Bob Close and Syd Barrett for guitars, then later Close left, leaving the original recorded Pink Floyd lineup. In late '65, they became "The Pink Floyd Sound," then just "The Pink Floyd." The name Pink Floyd came from albums by two blues artists, Pink Anderson and Floyd Council, that were in Syd Barrett's collection. It had often been said that using the name came to Syd in a vision.

The Floyd began to attract attention in mid-1966, frequently playing such underground hangouts as The UFO Club and The Marquee Club's Spontaneous Underground. It was during this time that they made the transition from playing psychedelic R&B covers to doing their own songs; almost exclusively Syd Barrett compositions. As Floyd biographer Miles has said about this period, "The Floyd were the loudest band anyone had ever heard at that time. They were also the weirdest. They were the underground band."

The Floyd's growing underground popularity led to a single, "Arnold Layne," released in March of 1967. It entered the British charts at #20, resulting in national media exposure for the band. Their followup single, "See Emily Play," stayed on the charts for 7 weeks, reaching #6. The Pink Floyd's first LP, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, also remained on the charts for 7 weeks, and also reached #6.

The success that followed their first two singles and Piper proved to be too much for Syd, as the vast quantities of drugs he was taking in, the blind worship of his fans, and other factors all made him unpredictable on stage and in the studio. The other members of the group decided to bring in an additional guitarist to cover for Syd, and thus David Gilmour was asked to join the band.

With the addition of Gilmour and Syd's declining state, it was shortly decided that the band could carry on without him, and so one night they simply didn't pick him up on the way to a show.

Pink Floyd went on recording, releasing A Saucerful Of Secrets, Ummagumma, Atom Heart Mother, and doing a few sountracks. It was during this time that they began to show the talent that would lead to the creating of DSOTM. Meddle was in a way a precursor to DSOTM and included a full side-long track called 'Echoes.' Pink Floyd began playing portions of Dark Side Of The Moon before it's release in late '72 and early '73. Dark Side of The Moon, of course, went on to be a phenomenal success and still remains a fairly high selling album (it would still be on the Billboard top 200 if the rules allowed it).

Following the incredible success of Dark Side Of The Moon, Pink Floyd found themselves in a difficult position. They had achieved the goal of every rock group, but now they were left adrift. At this time they began experimenting with everyday objects music. That is, all the music was to be played with everyday objects such as bottles, washing boards, etc... After some experimentation with this, the band scrapped the idea and began work on what was to be Wish You Were Here.

At this time Roger noted that during the sessions, the band didn't really seem to be there. In a way that is what Wish You Were Here is referring to. There are also some rather obvious jabs at the music industry. Wish You Were Here was released on September 15, 1975, but the band didn't tour immediately.

When the band did tour in early '77 their set consisted of WYWH as well as two constantly evolving songs from what was to be Animals. They released Animals on January 23, 1977. During this 'In the Flesh' tour, Roger Waters received his impetus for the creation of The Wall. The pure greed of doing stadium shows sickened him. The last show of this tour was when Roger actually spat on a fan in contempt.

Following the 'In The Flesh' tour, Roger and the band took a break of sorts. It was during this time that Roger wrote both The Wall and The Pros And Cons Of Hitch Hiking. He brought both to the rest of the band and informed them that he wanted to do one with the band and do the other as a solo project. The band rejected 'Pros and Cons' as being too personal and they began work on The Wall.

The Wall was recorded in about a year with Bob Ezrin constantly mediating and creating disputes with Roger Waters. The end result was a masterpiece by most accounts. The following tour of The Wall was found to be too expensive to do in many cities, so several cities were chosen as sites for several shows (the US had shows in New York and Los Angeles). These shows are considered by many Pink Floyd fans who attended to be the best concerts ever put on by Pink Floyd.

Following the tour of The Wall, Waters went to work on his next work, The Final Cut. This album served as a vent for Roger's anger about the death of his father. The rest of the band wasn't really involved in its production. It has been stated that the rest of the band considered the album to be a bunch of discards from The Wall. Dave Gilmour only sings on one song ('Not Now John'). This non-contribution of the other members of Pink Floyd extends to most of the musical background as well. This is probably the reason why TFC doesn't sound much like any other PF album. During the recording of TFC it became pretty obvious that the band could not produce together anymore.

In 1983, following The Final Cut, Roger Waters unofficially left Pink Floyd in order to pursue a solo career (Incidently David Gilmour attempted a solo career at that time as well). Waters released The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking (which had been rejected as a possible Pink Floyd album) on May 8, 1984 and immediately followed it with a tour. This tour didn't do near as well as Waters had anticipated and so many tour dates were cancelled. A full description of the show can be found in the 'Pros and Cons' section.

In mid-85, he decided to terminate his personal management deal with Steve O'Rourke, who was pressuring him to make another Floyd album. He left the group officially, thinking it was dead -- or at least, that it certainly wouldn't / couldn't produce without him. Obviously he was wrong on whether they would/could produce without him. An extremely pro-Roger article was written at the time by Penthouse Magazine. Just about this time, Roger was finishing up his work on the music for the film "When the Wind Blows" and was finishing up his second solo album.

Radio K.A.O.S., released on July 15, 1987, was his next album and dealt with a typically Roger type topic...soap opera politics. This album was a departure from the normal music that Waters usually produced in that it had a lot of synthesizers and sampling. Roger has stated that he made some mistakes on this album and was pushed into things that he would, on hindsight, have stayed away from. The album was again followed by a tour which had troubles selling out gigs. A transcript of the concert can be found in the Radio Kaos section.

Although Waters had stated that he wasn't interested in doing any more stadium shows, he 'changed' his mind when the Berlin Wall came down. The Wall - Live in Berlin was to be a celebration of freedom as well as a sort of coming out party for Waters. Many well-known artists decided to work with Waters on the concert and the concert was broadcast live on July 21, 1990. From eye witness accounts as well as from those who were lucky (or unlucky) enough to see the live version, the concert was a jumble of errors. The low-lights being a span of silence early in the show and the infamous Sinead O'Connor rendition of 'Mother.' The concert was immediately (directly following the show) gone over by the artists involved in the concert and particularly bad portions were dubbed over or taken from rehersals. Proceeds from the album as well as the video have gone to 'The Memorial Fund for Disaster Relief.'

Fans had a fairly short wait for the Roger's next album, Amused to Death. Amused to Death was released on September 1, 1992 and was immediately touted by Roger as being on par with The Wall and Dark Side of the Moon. Although the album didn't sell as well as anticipated and received mixed reviews, Sony must have agreed with him as they produced the album in a gold format. Waters stated that if the album sold well (3 to 4 million US sales) then he would tour. Unfortunately, only a few stations broadcast his first single 'What God Wants' and the second single 'Three Wishes' was scrapped by the record company to 'cut their losses.' This lack of publicity cut into album sales and so Roger didn't grace us with his presence. All in all, I find this album to be his best musically and lyrically since leaving Pink Floyd and I would highly recommend its purchase.


And here are one or two links to further reading about him and Pink Floyd:


Roger Waters' official site.
One of many fanzine sites dedicated to Pink Floyd.
Pink Floyd Online, containing info and chat. Bloody slow to load, mind.
Pink Floyd Fan Network. Link provided by Darth-Floyd. Thank you, Sir. happy
Some Waters Rarities, including downloadable interviews in Mp3.
A calendar of Pink Floyd anniversaries.
A daft thread of mine that's probably long forgotten. wink


There you have it.


If you'll indulge me, I'd like to share with you now the lyrics to When The Tigers Broke Free, which is a classic Pink Floyd track that Waters wrote about the death of his father at the battle of Anzio on Feb. 16th 1944:

It was just before dawn
one miserable morning in black '44,
when the forward commander was told to sit tight
when he asked that his men be withdrawn,
and the Generals gave thanks
as the other ranks held back the enemy tanks
for a while,
and the Anzio Bridgehead was held for the price
of a few hundred ordinary lives.

And kind old King George sent Mother a note
when he heard that Father was gone.
It was I recall in the form of a scroll
with gold-leaf adorn,
and I found it one day
in a draw of old photographs
hidden away,
and my eyes still grow damp to remember
His Majesty signed with his own rubber stamp.

It was dark all around,
there was frost in the ground,
when the Tigers broke free,
and no one survived from the Royal Fusilliers Company C.
They were all left behind,
most of them dead, the rest of them dying,
and that's how the High Command took my daddy from me.


It's one heck of a haunting track. Originally intended for inclusion on The Wall, but the album ended up being too long for vinyl, and so some clever chap decided this one should be cut. sad

When it was later put out on CD, this track wasn't reinstated, though it did feature on the recent 'Best of' Floyd, entitled Echoes. It's a hit and miss affair if you ask me.

But The Wall shines. It's a masterpiece. I first saw and heard it when I was 13, and its message hit me immediately.

It's semi-autobiographical, and covers the subjects that were and perhaps still are, seminal in Waters' mind and heart.

On the subject of the loss of his father, Waters was dreafully affected by the absence, and his mother became a catholic figure within his life. She was omnipotent and omnipresent, and this is one of the themes which runs throughout The Wall of course. Nothing he ever does for his mother is good enough, and his spirit is oppressed by her expectations and her disappointment in him.

Similarly the work is concerned with 'detachment' from reality, and from inter-personal relationships. Building a wall around ones' self so as to be protect the inner self from others emotionally.

In the end, the protagonist in The Wall becomes everything he has always hated and feared most. Afraid of pain, betrayal, rejection, exclusion, intolerance and abandonment, he is transposed into the epitome of them. He changes to be no different from those who have abused him.

In short, He is his own worst nightmare, In The Flesh.

So, anyone else like Waters? Or is it just me and Darth-Floyd?


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InquisitorsHand 
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Date Posted: 11/2/03 7:23pm Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
I do!

 

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Tod 
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Date Posted: 11/3/03 4:22am Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
I guess I have to stick my nose here too.

Thrax that was really great post. But I'm afraid that I'm not that enthusiastic Waters fan myself. I do enjoy some of his material but overall he has never impressed me nearly as much as numerous other musicians (Gilmour for example, though he's most certainly not the greatest artist out there).

So maybe I'll just slowly back away from this Waters appreciation thread. But still Waters has had overall great career and thus even I have to appreciate the man.

 

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jedi-mind-trick 
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Date Posted: 11/3/03 4:31am Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
Thrax, you know I hold Flyod dear. love I have to thank you.....that article was terrific! grin

 

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Date Posted: 11/3/03 5:00am Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
*Raises hand*

 

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Thraxwhirl 
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Date Posted: 11/3/03 7:23am Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
Well, any level of appreciation, great or small, is welcome here. That includes you too, Tod, me old pal.

You're always welcome in one o' my threads. B5 or Pink Floyd. It's always cool to hear from you/debate with you.

j-m-t. Many thanks for gracing this project with your appearance. That article is pretty groovy innit? I didn't write that bit in the 'blockquote' though. I found it somewhere. I dunno who wrote it, but it's certainly informative.

Educational, one might say.

Although "We don't need no edjucayshun" of course.

Oh God, what a flimsy excuse for a terrible pun! If you hear a blood-curdling scream, that's the sound of me falling on one of my swords.

 

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Date Posted: 11/3/03 9:10am Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation. - Date Edited: 11/3/03 9:22am (2 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Floyd
You did it wink

I´m looking forward to read it so far happy



Edit: now i´m done reading: WOW, couldn´t have done it better myself grin j/k, it was great

And with Together we stand, divided we fall i´ll hope this thread will last longer that your previous Waters thread wink

 

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Date Posted: 11/3/03 2:00pm Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.


Hey Thrax, do you know these lyrics? They are from The pros and cons of hitchhiking, but he they also appear on another Floyd "thing", Do you know which?

5.11 AM (The Moment of Clarity)

And the moment of clarity
Faded like charity does
Sometimes
I opened one eye

And I put out my hand just to touch your soft hair
To make sure in the darkness that you were still there
And I have to admit
I was just a little afraid,
oh yeah
But then...
I had a little bit of luck
You were awake
I couldn't take another moment alone.


BTW, Cool cover grin

 

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Date Posted: 11/4/03 2:54pm Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
Roger Waters is one of my biggest all-around artists happy

Sometimes it seems as if he wrote some songs with me in mind shock

 

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Date Posted: 11/5/03 12:53pm Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
This song is one of his latest, read the lyrics and weep cry

Sidenote, this Rasmussen is a danish poet, which work Waters had "Borrowed" for this song. I´m not sure if he copied it all, or just ad what he think fits his own lyrics. But anyway, Rasmussen is kredited for the lyrics happy

Each Small Candle (Waters, Rasmussen)

Not the torturer will scare me
Nor the body's final fall
Nor the barrels of death's rifles
Nor the shadows on the wall
Nor the night when to the ground
The last dim star of pain, is hurled
But the blind indifference
Of a merciless unfeeling world

Lying in the burnt out shell
Of some Albanian farm
An old Babushka
Holds a crying baby in her arms
A soldier from the other side
A man of heart and pride
Breaks ranks, lays down his rifle
to kneel by her side

He binds her wounds
He gives her food
And calms the crying child
Her tuoch gives absolution then
Across the great divide
He picks his way back through the broken
China of her life
And there at the kerb
The samaritan Serb turns..
Turns and waves.. goodbye

And each small candle
Each small candle
Lights a corner of the dark...
Lights a corner of the dark
Each small candle
Each small candle
Lights a corner of the dark
Lights a corner of the dark
Each small candle lights a corner of the dark
When the wheel of pain stops turning
And the branding iron stops burning
When the children can be children
When the desperados weaken
When the tide rolls into greet them
When the natural law of science
Greets the humble and the mighty
And the billion candles burning
Lights the dark side of every human mind

And each small candle
Lights a corner of the dark

Each small candle
Lights the dark side of every human mind
and each small candle
each small candle
light a corner of the dark.

 

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Date Posted: 11/5/03 3:08pm Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
Roger Waters is probably my biggest musical idol, if I ever had one. Not only was he in my favorite band of all time, but he also plays the same instrument as me, and overall seems like a very interesting and somewhat ******-up guy, in a good way, of course. He's also probably my favorite lyricist ever.


Amused to Death = great album.

 

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Thraxwhirl 
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Date Posted: 11/6/03 5:17pm Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation. - Date Edited: 11/6/03 5:21pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Thraxwhirl
i'm afraid I don't have a copy of 'The Pros and Cons of Hitch-Hiking', Darth-Floyd. sad I intend to get it sooner or later though. happy

CBOath. Aye, lyrically, Waters stands haed and shoulders above just about anyone for my money.

I love the lyrics to "The Bravery of Being Out of Range"


You have a natural tendency to squeeze off a shot
You're good fun at parties, you wear the right masks
You're old but you still like a laugh in the locker room
You can't abide change, you're at home on the range.

You open the suitcase behind the old workings
To show off the magnum, you deafen the canyon
A comfort, a friend, only upstaged in the end by the Uzi machine gun
Does the recoil remind you...

Remind you of sex,
Old man, what the hell you gonna kill next?
Old timer, who you gonna kill next?

I looked over Jordan and what did I see?
Saw a US Marine in a pile of debris
I swam in your pools and lay under your palm trees
I looked in the eyes of the Indian who lay on the Federal Building steps

And through the range finder over the hill
I saw the frontline boys popping their pills
Sick of the mess they find on their desert stage
And the bravery of being out of range.

Yeah the question is vexed...
Old man, what the hell you gonna kill next?
Old timer, who you gonna kill next?

Hey bartender over here, two more shots and two more beers
Sir turn up the TV sound, the war has started on the ground
Just love those laser-guided bombs, they're really great for righting wrongs
You hit the target and win the game from bars three thousand miles away
Three thousand miles away.

We play the game with the bravery of being out of range
We zap and maim with the bravery of being out of range
We strafe the train with the bravery of being out of range
We gain terrain with the bravery of being out of range

We play the game with the bravery of being out of range.


Quality. cool

 

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Date Posted: 11/8/03 5:54am Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
Ya, go get "the pros and cons of hitchhiking", it´s Rogers most optimistic album (It´s not about war, as most of his other stuff is) But you don´t have to now the lyrics from TPACOH to ansver my question grin

Hey Thrax, do you know these lyrics? They are from The pros and cons of hitchhiking, but he they also appear on another Floyd "thing", Do you know which?

And I put out my hand just to touch your soft hair
To make sure in the darkness that you were still there
And I have to admit
I was just a little afraid


They are from the song "Stop" from "The wall", the movie version wink

Yes, i do like the lyrics from "the bravery of being out of range" too, especially these wink

You hit the target and win the game from bars three thousand miles away
Three thousand miles away.

We play the game with the bravery of being out of range

 

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Date Posted: 11/9/03 12:07pm Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.

 

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Thraxwhirl 
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Date Posted: 11/11/03 7:30am Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
Ah, the moovie version, eh?

I confess I've not seen the moovie of The Wall in years.

"Stand still, Laddie!" I always remember that. grin

Y'know the kids in the vid of Another Brick in the Wall Pt ii, yeah? I used to know a guy whose mother was those kids' real life class teacher. LOL! Popular woman I'm sure.

I've lent my copy of Amused to Death to my brother. I miss it! cry sad

 

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Tod 
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Date Posted: 11/15/03 12:36am Subject: RE: In Teh Flesh. Roger Waters Appreciation.
Pink Floyd reunited briefly. Here's the whole story from www.brain-damage.co.uk

STEVE O'ROURKE'S FUNERAL / PINK FLOYD REUNITE: The funeral service for Steve O'Rourke, who sadly passed away on 30th October in Miami, Florida, was held today at Chichester Cathedral in Sussex, England.

As part of the service, David, Roger, Richard and Nick put aside any differences, got back together as a band, and performed in tribute to the man who helped shape their career.

It is believed that they performed Fat Old Sun and Great Gig In The Sky, and that Dick Parry played the saxophone whilst following the coffin. A very fitting, and moving, tribute. Our thanks to David and Simon for this information.

 

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