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STARDOG-D-JEDI Title: Winston-Salem FF VIP & Sith Apprentice Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 6/11/04 10:06pm Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	YES -----signature----- Apprentice to the GRAND MOFF Spooky Kid!! Slave to the pocket of SarkaVrae!! Master of the Star Ale Empire!!! www.myspace.com/decaturstreet AT LAST STARDOG SHALL HAVE REVENGE!!!
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EmpireForever Title: Manager Census and Games Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/11/04 10:08pm Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	Highly illogical. Spock=teh man! Also spock was the only regular member of the cast who was in the pilot episode. -----signature----- Just remember: you could be a Lions fan.
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Sniper_Wolf Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 6/11/04 10:16pm Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	Star Trek would win. To answer the question about which city the Federation is based out of, I believe it's academy/council for San Francisco and president in Paris. Any trekkie would know that. wolf -----signature----- Winner of a Super Golden Ewok™ award. I name you Sword of the Jedi. Always you shall be in the front rank, a burning brand to your enemies, a brilliant fire to your friends.
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zacparis Title: Ex Manager Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/11/04 10:48pm Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek? - Date Edited: 6/11/04 10:55pm (3 edits total) Edited By: zacparis
	To answer the question about which city the Federation is based out of, I believe it's academy/council for San Francisco and president in Paris. Any trekkie would know that. Yep, Starfleet is based in San Francisco, the United Federation of Planets is based in Paris and on Earth in general. Edit - too many edits. -----signature----- http://raptr.com/MedievalSam - social networking for gamers!
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DarthLuxor Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 6/11/04 11:00pm Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	This isn't a fair fight. Maybe Star Trek vs. The Last Starfighter. Have you ever dealt with a Jedi before?...We won't survive this.
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zacparis Title: Ex Manager Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/11/04 11:17pm Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	This isn't a fair fight. Maybe Star Trek vs. The Last Starfighter. Agreed, it's a world of fantasy vs a world of sci-fi. It's like putting the world of LOTR vs the world of medieval England and seeing who would win. But, since half of their titles are the same, people think they should fight. -----signature----- http://raptr.com/MedievalSam - social networking for gamers!
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alpha_red Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 6/12/04 12:08am Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	And don't forget the Borg. Their cubes could shred a Star Destroyer apart like paper. Nope, sorry. The Enterprise and Co. destroy the cubes with much less force than a Star Destroyer is capable of exerting. Correction: The yield of the Enterprise's main phaser array is 5.1 MW per emitter at full power. In ship-to-ship combat, ST has absolutely no chance against SW, save for possibly the 8472. One Corellian Corvette could likely stand against an entire Federation task force. One Star Destroyer could probably nuke Earth even with ST technology level. With today's technology level, the damage done to the Earth would be unspeakable and irreparable. If a full Imperial fleet were to be directed against our world, it would be a blasted and desolate place within thirty minutes. Less than three seconds would be required for one SD to reduce New York or Tokyo to flaming rubble. I read some more about rapid nadions and how they apply to phasers. Apparently, they're subatomic particles that interact at high speeds with atoms, liberating strong nuclear forces within crystals known as fushigi-no-umi (Japanese for "sea of wonder.") The liberated energy is then directed against a target. I have come to the conclusion that, in keeping with the philosophy of the Federation, phasers are far more efficient than the weaponry used in Star Wars. But, in a straight fight, efficiency isn't what matters -- it's the raw force you can direct against a target. -----signature----- Noli manare, manare in memoria. Fleet Junkie, Saxtonian Nightcrawler Yuuzhan'tar GM & EUC Senator \| The strongest bonds are forged in pain. I just officially changed my ship to Jacen/Nen Yim. Eat your heart out, slashers.
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zacparis Title: Ex Manager Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/12/04 12:39am Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek? - Date Edited: 6/12/04 12:40am (1 edits total) Edited By: zacparis
	Nope, sorry. The Enterprise and Co. destroy the cubes with much less force than a Star Destroyer is capable of exerting. Usually thanks to Picard and his expertise. Don't forget that 90% of the battles fought in ST are down to the dynamics of the Enterprise crew. A Star Destroyer is the fraction of the size of a Borg Cube, and not nearly as agile as most of the Federation ships. All it could do is sit there and fire, while its bridge is carved out like a roast dinner. -----signature----- http://raptr.com/MedievalSam - social networking for gamers!
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Lord_Hydronium Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/12/04 12:39am Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek? - Date Edited: 6/12/04 12:40am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lord_Hydronium
	Nope, sorry. The Enterprise and Co. destroy the cubes with much less force than a Star Destroyer is capable of exerting. As I recall, the Federation only succeeds in destroying Borg ships if they use some special trick - in "Best of Both Worlds", it was going to be that thing they did with the deflector, and later it was by triggering the regeneration cycle and thus the self-destruct, and in First Contact it was because Picard knew exactly where to hit. When the Enterprise goes up against a cube without some trick up its sleeve, it gets whooped, and in First Contact the fleet was getting demolished by a single cube. Since SDs don't have any aces in the hole like the all-in-one deflector of the Enterprise, and simply raw power at their disposal, I think the fight would be much tougher. The Borg ships are incredibly redundant and self-repairing; raw power has never defeated them before, and I think the SD would be hard-pressed. Especially since the Borg have transporters at their disposal; that single technology imbalance could be a deciding factor in any battle between SW and ST ships. Take out the shields anywhere on the ship (the bridge would be pretty much an instant win), send in an away team, and you have one heck of an element of surprise. So basically, SW ships are more powerful, but ST ships have more tricks to use (deflector, transporter, cloaking). The imbalance isn't as big as it first looks. -----signature----- Great midis have little midis Swimming round inside 'em And little midis have lesser midis And so ad infinitum.
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zacparis Title: Ex Manager Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/12/04 12:44am Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	Yeah the Enterprise had Picard (Locutus of Borg), and Voyager had 7 of 9. Both personal contacts with the Borg, giving them the advantage. Wolf 359 showed that a fleet of ships was no match for a single Borg Cube, imagine a fleet of Borg Cubes! -----signature----- http://raptr.com/MedievalSam - social networking for gamers!
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alpha_red Registered: Aug '03	Date Posted: 6/12/04 4:23am Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	A Star Destroyer is the fraction of the size of a Borg Cube, and not nearly as agile as most of the Federation ships. All it could do is sit there and fire, while its bridge is carved out like a roast dinner. Nope. Shields are too strong. To survive space combat for sustained amounts of time as depicted in the movies with ships with guns as big as theirs, the Destroyer's shields have to have an energy dissipation rating of around 3e13 TW. A shot from a Borg ship, judging by the fact that it takes many of them to seriously damage the Enterprise-D, is obviously well below the 730,000 MW mark and wouldn't even scratch a Destroyer's paint job. Not that it has a paint job to scratch. The major advantage of Borg cubes is not firepower, but extreme durability. The other problem with the Borg is that they apparently possess no defensive shielding on their ships, and that the drones have no kinetic energy shielding. You'll notice that bullets work wonders on them, as do bat'leths. Raw power will work on anything, if there's enough of it. In real physics, there is no such thing as being invulnerable to any given type of damage. An object's properties may lend it some resistance to a particular type of damage, but enough of it will crack even the strongest shields. Judging by the fact that the Enterprise's relatively primitive 5.1 MW phasers were able to carve out a small section of a Borg cube with one shot indicates, for one, that their ships lack adaption capabilities, and even shields. Quite frankly, the whole idea of adaption is silly, but I digress. A turbolaser is roughly 2e14 times as powerful as a phaser, based on the TM's figure. By the Daystrom Institute's figures, a turbolaser is 117,647 times as powerful as a phaser. Cube = Pwned. Size matters not, young Padawan. The only difference is in your mind and in how big and scary your guns are. -----signature----- Noli manare, manare in memoria. Fleet Junkie, Saxtonian Nightcrawler Yuuzhan'tar GM & EUC Senator \| The strongest bonds are forged in pain. I just officially changed my ship to Jacen/Nen Yim. Eat your heart out, slashers.
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zacparis Title: Ex Manager Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/12/04 4:31am Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	I love how seriously you take this. You've obviously given this a lot of thought. You should write a paper. -----signature----- http://raptr.com/MedievalSam - social networking for gamers!
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HawkNC Title: FanForce RSA Oceania Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 6/12/04 4:44am Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	2e14 is such a great number, incidentally. There's something about it that just makes you laugh in this context. I mean, if an ISD's turbolasers were 2e0 times stronger than phasers, then that'd be great. but 2e14? This is why you don't **** with 20,000 years of spacefaring civilisation. -----signature----- Use dp/dt -- Come now, do you really expect me to do coordinate substitution in my head while strapped to a centrifuge?
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zacparis Title: Ex Manager Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 6/12/04 4:49am Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek? - Date Edited: 6/12/04 4:49am (1 edits total) Edited By: zacparis
	And the fact that all these numbers were plucked from thin air, makes it even funnier. A shot from a Borg ship, judging by the fact that it takes many of them to seriously damage the Enterprise-D, is obviously well below the 730,000 MW mark and wouldn't even scratch a Destroyer's paint job. Did you even watch ST? I have my doubts, or you should have seen that the Borg's lasers, or whatever they are, went straight through the Enterprise's shields, and that the Borg bascially tore whole ships apart with one shot at Wolf 359. So you might want to re-evaluate your numbers. I think Dr. Soran is the key. He managed to destroy a whole star with a tiny missle full of Trilithium, what a mastermind! -----signature----- http://raptr.com/MedievalSam - social networking for gamers!
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EmpireForever Title: Manager Census and Games Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 6/12/04 8:18am Subject: RE: Could Star Wars beat up Star Trek?
	one question i always had about star trek is why they send their senior offciers on to dangerous and unknown planets? they never send the enlisted guys.it's like, there's a giant man eating zombie lizard. oh, the captain can handle that. -----signature----- Just remember: you could be a Lions fan.
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