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thora 
Registered: Apr '00
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 10:53am Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight. - Date Edited: 5/7/03 11:13am (3 edits total) Edited By: thora
Turning ENT into Starship Troopers doesn't sound exciting? laugh No, it doesn't sound that great, does it? However, I'll give it a chance. It's all in the execution.

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/I just hope that the "Enterprise publicist's" (read, Paramount flunkie) description to TV Guide of Trip's personality change runs along the lines of their accuracy concerning cogenitor's subject matter, that the machismo is emphasized for the sake of the TV Guide article, the purpose of which is to garner ratings from the holy grail of demographics--18-24 year old males.

A revenge minded Trip grieving about his sister could be fascinating and provide some real drama for a change if there's grief and tortued soul/anti-hero thrown into the mix. Trip's best quality has always been the underlying humanity that CT is so excellent at giving Trip even when B&B have given him a lemon of a script. If we see the pain motivating Trip's actions, the story will be compelling. If B&B screw the pooch, well....Connor's had a lot of input before and fought against certain script lines for Trip. I'm sure he'll be ever vigilant.

It's a darn sight more interesting than T'Pol's "new catsuit and hairdo." 7 of 9 anyone? Give me tortured Trip, warts and all, over a further sexualized T'Pol any day. When I think of tortured Trip, I think of Malcolm trying to get through to Trip, bringing his friend back from the edge and all that sappy BS we all love. wink

When I think of T'Pol's sexy new catsuit I think, "Oh boy. More Archer and T'Pol flirting. angry Hoshi and Trip? Yes. Archer and T'Pol? NO. I only wish that Shran and Tarah were the new recurring characters instead of the starship troopers. sigh. sad

 

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Darth Pipes 
Registered: Oct '99
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 2:38pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight. - Date Edited: 5/7/03 2:40pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Darth Pipes
I'm not going to bother with Regeneration tonight. I won't be witness to B and B officially turning Enterprise into a 24th-century show. I am looking forward to the next three episodes though.

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I read the TV Guide article. While I rather have the threat to Earth come from the Tholians or the Romulans, the Xindi could be interesting. The part about different forms of life evolving sounded pretty cool. The commando team I think is the best addition I've heard. This has a lot of potential. I just hope they don't turn them into cardboard cutouts or ignore them like Hoshi and Travis.

Trip going nuts is an interesting change though I'd rather have Archer be the one with the edge. So, Trip has a sister? Her death would have had a lot more meaning if we'd actually seen her before or Trip had even bothered to mention her. It's like in Silent Enemy where he reveals to Archer he broke up with a girlfriend we never knew he had. I guess we'll be treated to some more off-camera deaths of no-names.

Don't even get me started with the new cat suit for T'Pol. While I'm glad they're ditching that terrible hairpiece she wears, B and B continue to prove they have no real respect for the character. I say get her a new hairstyle and a regular (non-Starfleet) uniform and her character will greatly improve and be a lot sexier at the same time. Even dressed the way she is, T'Pol doesn't hold a candle to Hoshi.

The fact that B and B will still be in charge proves The Powers to Be aren't serious about a real change.

 

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Kyle Katarn 
Registered: Jul '98
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 2:41pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Hell, I'd watch it just to be complete and to have actually viewed it.

Might also help to see it if you'll persist in saying that the ep is a POS.

 

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rsterling78 
Registered: May '02
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 6:37pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Things I learned from watching Enterprise: Regeneration...

Arctic researchers dress like it's December in southern Michigan.

Arctic research teams are heavily armed.

When something happens to an Arctic research team, the head of Starfleet personally leads the rescue team.

In the 22nd century, Earth satellites can't see a huge alien spacecraft debris field against a polar ice cap for 100 years.

Captain Picard, I've searched through Starfleet's archives and there is no record of anyone ever encountering these cyborgs you met at system J25.

If you have an assimilated crewman, consult a Denobulan doctor.

 

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Elf 
Registered: Dec '98
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 6:41pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Actually, I didn't think it was bad. I liked the way it was filmed like a horror movie.

 

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Wattowatta 
Registered: Jan '00
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 7:05pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight. - Date Edited: 5/7/03 7:25pm (5 edits total) Edited By: Wattowatta
After seeing that, all I can really say about Regeneration is that it is the television analog of a piece of crap thrown into Christmas wrapping-paper: it may look pretty, but in the end, it still stinks. Although it was probably one of the better-executed episodes of ENT, and probably the best Borg episode post-Best of Both Worlds, I'm giving it a 75%. My thoughts:


    The Bad:

  • This entire episode seemed to just fill in the plot-hole left by First Contact and the discrepancy between The Neutral Zone attacks and Q, Who?. It was a ratings-ploy, pure and simple, for the May Sweeps.


  • Regen did little than to further murk-up the Borg-contact storyline even more than it already is, and throw another timeline-causality loop into the Trek Universe. When did we make first contact with the Borg, now? Zephram Cochrane's warp-flight? Regeneration? The Hansons? The Neutral Zone? Q, Who? There's just too many so-called "first-contacts" in this thing, and too many headaches for the Trek Mental-Gymnists to justify. Was it the radio message the Borg sent here that began the invasion? Was it the Hanson's expedition? Was it Q's toying with Picard?

    Timelines should be kept crisp and kept simple. Trying to definitively plot out just what the heck happened between Starfleet and the Borg is too much work for anyone to do.


  • Since when is that transporter a 2-person unit? Granted, it narrowly avoided status as a plot cop-out, but I was under the impression that the transporter could only beam up 1 person at a time. A more dramatic method would be to have Reed and Archer beam over sequentially, and beam out sequentially ala Uhura and Chekov in The Voyage Home. That could have added a great deal more tension to that scene, and made things just that much better.


  • The Borg getting beat-down by high-powered phasers is simply absurd. They're fricking BORG for Christ's sake! They just survived the destruction of their own ship, atmospheric-entry, a crash onto the middle of an ice sheet, and the freezing cold for 100 years. They souped-up a simple science vessel into a ship that beat the tar out of the flagship of Starfleet and nearly out-ran it. Surely, they could have survived a MORE POWER!!!!-phase cannon.

    Bottom line: the Borg should have just blown the living hell out of Enterprise, and a 22nd-Century ship somehow beat them up and a 22nd-Century crew came out with not so much as a scratch by episode's end.


  • Phlox should have become a drone, plain and simple. But, they did deal with it in a way that's somewhat-credible. Billingsley pulled it off very well.


  • Montgommery gave his usual 2 lines, same with Hoshi. T'pol was standard, Archer, Trip, and Malcom came out at par. The arctic teaser and 1st Act didn't leave a lot of room for character development here.


  • Speaking of which, just how the hell did anyone not see that debris field in 100 years?


    The Good:

  • Great special effects and music. Definetely added to the creepy-motif of the episode. Points there.


  • I think Regeneration had a fairly normal time-allotment for an ENT episode, but the tense pacing made the thing go by quickly. It reminded me of Future Tense in a lot of respects.


  • Nice to see the Enterprise's hull actually get damaged for once. The cut-beam hasn't been used since Q, Who? and it reminded me of that episode quite a bit. It'll probably be cleared up by First Flight, but it was a nice touch, nonetheless.


  • I don't think you people understand just how much the Malcom-spear to that drone PWND.


    Other points of discussion:

  • If anyone can prove that the disappating-Borg at the end were due to the TCW, I'll raise my grade of this episode by 5 points. It makes no sense for the Borg to beam back-aboard their own vessel just to have it be blown up. That party was meant to assimilate Enterprise, and knowing the Borg, they would not have stopped until that was completed. If that's the case, then that needs to be followed-up on in another episode.


  • Section 31 needs to come about because of this episode. This damn encounter had to be classified so heavily, no one in the main-circles of Starfleet would have known what the hell was going on when the Borg finally came in the 24th Century. If they had trimmed-up the arctic act and finished the episode with something conspiracy-related, this episode would have OWNED MY SOUL


  • First Flight looks to be okay. I'm hoping for a Cogenitor-effect on Bounty, but I'm not really hopeful on those odds. That episode really has the potential to be a stinker.


 

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Kyle Katarn 
Registered: Jul '98
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 7:12pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Shame on thee, wattowatta. "Bounty" may seem bad to you, but you gotta give it props for showing us more Tellarites.

Sorry, my hardcore TOS fanaticism poking through there. grin

 

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Wattowatta 
Registered: Jan '00
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 7:20pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Oh, I'm there for the Tellarites, bring them on. Unfortunately, we trade that for another Vulcan pon-farr episode, this one looks even more implausible than that VOY one.

 

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Darth Pipes 
Registered: Oct '99
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 7:25pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight. - Date Edited: 5/7/03 7:27pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth Pipes
Well, I kept to my promise and didn't watch Regeneration. From what I'm hearing, I didn't miss much.

Wattowatta, I agree with you about Section 31. That was a great storyline on DS9 and that is something that can logically be put into Enterprise. In the DS9 episode, Section 31 Operative Luther Sloane mentioned that Section 31 was a part of the original Starfleet Charter(said charter was mentioned by Archer in "Horizon"). When Sisko asked Starfleet about them, they told him they would look into it and eventually dropped the matter.

I did catch the trailers for next week's episode. I'm eagerly looking forward to first flight. "Meet the man who should have been captain of the Enteprise...he's related to Caine from Kung Fu!" wink You know, Keith Carradine won an Oscar in 1973 for Best Original Song for the film Nashville?

Bounty though...so much for Braga's claim this was going to be a tasteful episode. That trailer was worse than the one for Cogenitor, and that is saying something. Instead of focusing on the Tellarite/Klingon storyline that is starting to become important, The Power To Be focus on the same sleazy T and A they have in the past. It's failed them regularly yet they still go back to the well. Figures...

The T'Pol part aside, I'm looking forward to seeing the return of the Tellrites and the continuation of the Klingon subplot.

 

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YoungJedi11 
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Registered: May '02
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 8:05pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
It just started for me, but I needed to comment on the brilliant use of the First Contact score at the beginning. grin

 

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merlin 
Registered: May '99
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 8:27pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Yeh, hopefully they'll let us know that they are going to keep this BORG thing a secret. Maybe that will be taken care of with the "temporal cold war" junk. But it seems like the ENT Borg sending that message out was the very reason the TNG Borg were heading to Earth in when the Enterprise(1701-D) first met them.

I assume that somewhere down the line, they'll delete all records of anything to do with time travel or visters from the future to make sure the timeline goes smoothly. We'll see. I'll me upset if they leave that plot hole open. Otherwise, it was a pretty good episode in my book. (besides the phasers working so well against them)

 

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YoungJedi11 
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 9:30pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Holy crap. This episode was awesome!

As you know, I have completely given up on continuity. I'm just going to sit back, and enjoy the individual episodes (it's a lot more relaxing - try it!).

First of all, the effects in this episode were insane. I missed my assimilation tubules. tongue

Watching the Enterprise assault the Borgified transport was awesome. They have six torpedo launchers in the aft? ?:|

I am curious how they will fit this in the timeline, but I'm sure something will come up. I think it will involve Enterprise and the crew getting erased from history due to the temporal cold war. How else could we have never heard about such a historic voyage?

 

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merlin 
Registered: May '99
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Date Posted: 5/7/03 11:56pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
I was thinking of that myself. That at the end of the series, they go back in time and erase everything that happend. Otherwise, there would have been an Enterprise (NX-01) on the wall of the briefing room in TNG. wink

But oh well, that's what you get when you do a prequel that you hadn't planned on. Guess it's better than trying to make another star trek show in the 24th century.

 

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thebadge 
Registered: Mar '02
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Date Posted: 5/8/03 9:57am Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
I just hope that Enterprise moves on to the Romulon war at some point. They have always been underused (on all the Trek shows)in my opinion.

 

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DarthNomis 
Registered: Aug '01
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Date Posted: 5/8/03 10:03am Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Last Night was THE BEST ENTERPRISE EPISODE EVER! Hands down.

Very, very clever.

 

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