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rsterling78 
Registered: May '02
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Date Posted: 5/11/03 4:50pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
The franchise is almost 40 years old. Plus it's sandwiched between the present and the Original Series. Keeping it interesting and trying to maintain some degree of continuity is going to be very difficult.

Also, sci-fi in general is dying. Look at what the once-far-flung millenium (i.e. the present) looks like: no commercial space travel, no flying cars, no robots, biotechnology that is at once primitive yet controversial. People have lost faith in an adventurous, space-faring future. All the future looks like now is a place where everyone takes cholesterol-suppressing and mood-stabilizing drugs and watches big, flat-screen TVs.

 

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merlin 
Registered: May '99
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Date Posted: 5/11/03 7:16pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
and watches big, flat-screen TVs.

Yeh, but what are they watching on those TVs? Everytime I walk into circuit city or someplace, they are showing Star Wars, X-men, or Lord of the Rings, or something like that.

 

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Wattowatta 
Registered: Jan '00
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Date Posted: 5/11/03 8:19pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.

IF we are going to have a Romulan War, then we NEED more starships up and running well before that. Or do we get to see the Enterprise be the sole weapon against the Romulan Empire?


It's shown in The Expanse that Starfleet has a few Warp 2-capable ships, presumeably for patrol duty. Mayweather also mentioned at some point in Season I that there were more NX-class ships in production.


How did Voyager turn into crap with Species 8472 and the Borg? In fact, from Scorpion all the way to Season 6, Voyager was awesome. Even Season 7 was great.


VOY, over a process of many years, turned perhaps one of the most remarkable villians Trek has ever produced-the Borg-into a bunch of wussified computers walking around with green light following them. I will freely grant that Descent began that decline, but it was VOY that completed it. In every single encounter, one lone little scoutship somehow managed to single-handidly out-wit and beat the entire Collective. Hell, look at Endgame for God's sake. In that thing, 2 technobabble-torpedoes managed to bring down an entire Cube. Afterwards, the Borg were simply no longer a viable villain.

Scorpion did, however, present a unique situation for VOY: an impervious villain running wild, a crewmember being slowly killed, a forced-alliance with a long-time foe, and a long stretch of hostile space as far as the eye could see. If done right, TPTB would have fired Garrett Wong (who, as backstage info purported, was anything but professional in his demeanor), killed off his character, kept on the Species 8472/Borg war for a while, and shown actual struggle to survive on Voyager's part. A lot of people had a lot of high hopes for that episode pair, and a lot of people were horribly disappointed.

If you want to know how a good lot of fans wanted VOY to turn out, rewatch Year of Hell. There was some actual conflict, with actual struggle, and actual relationships formed which meant something. Unfortunately, it all came down to a simple reset-button, and the merry crew in their merry little ship were back on their merry course back home with a merry tune on their lips.

Quite simply, the Maquis/Starfleet conflict was resolved in 3 episodes during the 1st Season, the character of Carrey was summarily dropped only to be red-shirted in Friendship One, Neelix became an annoying jerk unbecoming his edge of society-character persona in Caretaker, HoloDoc and Seven monopolized the show following Season IV, Janeway's character was written horribly inconsistently (one day upholding the Prime Directive above all else and the next saying "to hell with it"), the ship itself never seemed to be damaged, technobabble run wild at every turn, no character development was consistent throughout the series, and Chakotay-Beltran seemingly being the only one with his head on straight on that set-was just there.

Hell, they had to pull in Troi and Barclay and Ferengi in the latter part of the show just to pull in something of a gimmick's rating-pop.

As I take a stroll down memory lane, the only episode that really sticks out at me from the 7th Season was that one where Voyager falls down that subspace-pit and had to build an ad-hoc coalition to get out. That was some good stuff, there.


The franchise is almost 40 years old.


Oh, I know. I was one of the individuals who wanted more of a breather between VOY and ENT than just one summer. VOY left a very sour taste in many a fan's mouth, and some opportunity to plan out the new series and build-up anticipation for the run would have really helped ENT get its act together more quickly than it has.


Plus it's sandwiched between the present and the Original Series. Keeping it interesting and trying to maintain some degree of continuity is going to be very difficult.


Not necessarily. Indeed, this time frame is arguably the least-understood point in the Trek Universe according to both fannon and cannon. We know, at least from Okuda-conjecture, that the Federation forms around this time period and that the Romulan War occurs in about 4 or 5 years. Everything else is pretty open. There are a few points-Ferengi first contact occured with Picard, Romulans didn't have cloaks untill Balance of Terror-that are imporant, but otherwise TPTB have quite a bit of reign in putting some stuff together.


Also, sci-fi in general is dying. Look at what the once-far-flung millenium (i.e. the present) looks like: no commercial space travel, no flying cars, no robots, biotechnology that is at once primitive yet controversial. People have lost faith in an adventurous, space-faring future. All the future looks like now is a place where everyone takes cholesterol-suppressing and mood-stabilizing drugs and watches big, flat-screen TVs.


Again, as I said, be better. Make your product sell or otherwise discontinue it.

 

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Kici 
Registered: Aug '99
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Date Posted: 5/11/03 10:11pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
We will find out how Trip and ARcher began in "First Flight," but points well taken and articulated. I don't think B&B are even remotely acquainted with character development. I recall reading about T'POl and Hoshi's siterly affection. Female friendships don't rank very highly on Berman's priority list. That this didn't materialize beyond a sensual meditation hand rub doesn't surprise me in the least. They have a gold mine of interaction in the Archer/Trip/Malcolm "triangle" to be had in season three as Trip becomes an embittered individual consumed by grief, but are B&B bright enough to recognize the potential beyond cosmetic changes?

I'd wager they put more thought into T'Pol's new catsuit. I never thought I'd say this in a million years, avid Trip/T'Pol shipper that I once was, but I'd rather they write T'Pol out completely if they're going to continue this sexpot business.

 

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Darth Pipes 
Registered: Oct '99
41716_Darth Bane
Date Posted: 5/12/03 8:01am Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
T'Pol and Hoshi's relationship has been non-existant. The last time they shared any meaningful scene was during Vox Sola last season. It seems the "friendship" between them is only used as a plot device for certain episodes like Vox Sola and Sleeping Dogs. No continuity with them whatsoever.

A little off-topic here. They recently interviewed Enterprise writer Mike Sussman and he revealed what the original idea for Future Tense was. I thought Future Tense was a great episode but damn...this would have been an awesome idea to see. happy

http://talk.trekweb.com/articles/2003/05/12/1052737800.html

 

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Wattowatta 
Registered: Jan '00
16253_Watto
Date Posted: 5/12/03 12:20pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Sussman states:

I'm told season three will have more of an emphasis on weird, high-concept, science fiction ideas.


Ah, yes, Braga's wet-dream given form.

 

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thebadge 
Registered: Mar '02
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Date Posted: 5/12/03 1:57pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
I'll keep watching and hope things get better, but I'm not exactly holding my breath.

 

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Darth Pipes 
Registered: Oct '99
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Date Posted: 5/12/03 7:35pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Same here.

It appears as if Smallville will be moving to Wednesday at eight o'clock. Enterprise cannot stand against it. Smallville is everything that Enterprise is not. The only good thing is maybe this will really put the pressure on Enterprise to improve.

 

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thora 
Registered: Apr '00
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Date Posted: 5/13/03 8:21am Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
I've seen Smallville. I think it's bloody overrated. Now if 24 were moving to ENT's time slot--ouch. sad

 

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thebadge 
Registered: Mar '02
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Date Posted: 5/13/03 9:01am Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
I don't care for Smalville either. The few eps I watched were quite boring. The Romulon war is the one thing that would excite me. Bring it on from first contact to the its end.


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thebadge 
Registered: Mar '02
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Date Posted: 5/13/03 2:25pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
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YoungJedi11 
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Registered: May '02
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Date Posted: 5/13/03 10:56pm Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
VOY, over a process of many years, turned perhaps one of the most remarkable villians Trek has ever produced-the Borg-into a bunch of wussified computers walking around with green light following them. I will freely grant that Descent began that decline, but it was VOY that completed it. In every single encounter, one lone little scoutship somehow managed to single-handidly out-wit and beat the entire Collective. Hell, look at Endgame for God's sake. In that thing, 2 technobabble-torpedoes managed to bring down an entire Cube. Afterwards, the Borg were simply no longer a viable villain.

Even though Voyager is my favorite, I have to agree. They beat them at every turn, and the Borg weren't even scary after a while. However, I think it was plausible enough that the transphasic-torpedoes ( grin ) could obliterate a cube in one shot. I mean, come on, you have to admit it was damn cool.

If done right, TPTB would have fired Garrett Wong (who, as backstage info purported, was anything but professional in his demeanor),

Where did you hear that? I was at the Voyager set, and talked to Wong by myself for a while, and he didn't seem "less than professional". The whole cast got along very well, and they seemed to be having a good time. Now, I know that doesn't speak for every day of filming, but that's not how I saw it.

If you want to know how a good lot of fans wanted VOY to turn out, rewatch Year of Hell. There was some actual conflict, with actual struggle, and actual relationships formed which meant something. Unfortunately, it all came down to a simple reset-button, and the merry crew in their merry little ship were back on their merry course back home with a merry tune on their lips.

Yes, Year of Hell was excellent. I was rather disappointed when the reset button was hit, and I wish there would have been some form of side effects.

I'll be the first to agree that Voyager had it's problems, but it also had its moments. I couldn't give you a short enough answer for why I like it, but I guess we just have differing opinions.

 

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Kyle Katarn 
Registered: Jul '98
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Date Posted: 5/14/03 2:03am Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
First Flight ain't too bad. A tad on the predictable side in some areas, but a nice story all together.

Was kinda cool seeing Forest chew out Archer and Robinson. Also loved the barfight.

 

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merlin 
Registered: May '99
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Date Posted: 5/14/03 2:13am Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
I'll be in line for the 10:00pm showing of the Matrix when "First Flight" comes on here. Guess I'll catch it on the replay on sunday.

 

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Kyle Katarn 
Registered: Jul '98
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Date Posted: 5/14/03 2:40am Subject: RE: Enterprise premieres tonight.
Or you could get it through some "other methods" if you know where to look. wink

 

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