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RKMeibalane Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 7/22/08 6:53pm Subject: Mace Windu Characterization Thread - Writer Challenge #2- Mace Windu's Possible Love Interest - Date Edited: 10/25/08 6:00pm (2 edits total) Edited By: RKMeibalane
	"For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. To many, he is remembered as the man who refused Anakin Skywalker the opportunity to train as a Jedi, as the personification of the arrogance and self-importance that corrupted the Jedi Order during the final days of the Old Republic. Others remember him as symbol of courage and determination, a man who spoke with his actions, rather than his words. For the first time, let us discuss one of the Order's most decorated Jedi Knights, and one of the finest swordsmen the galaxy has ever seen- the master of Vaapad, Jedi Master Mace Windu. Each of us is familiar with the portrayal of Master Windu in each of the prequel films, but is this an accurate depiction of the type of Jedi, and person, that he is, or is there more to the man than we realize? Have at it, and good luck!
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Robimus Registered: Jul '07	Date Posted: 7/22/08 10:33pm Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	Its hard for me to view Mace and not think of Jules Winnifield from Pulp Fiction. I kinda look at Mace like that. He's smart, wise, powerful and an overall good person. That said he's got Jules "Don't screw with me or else" type attitude in his demeaner. He's a actions speak louder than words type guy, and extremely confident. Likely he didn't have an equal in one on one combat, even against Sidious, and he acted like he knew it. -----signature----- I am forever seeking the damutek of Hooley Krekk Oh, woe! Oh, misery! Oh, unhappiness. Hooley Krekk where are you? . http://www.cccomiccon.com http://www.actionfigurenews.ca
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Lolly_Tolly Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 7/23/08 3:43am Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	Mace bordered on the darkness. Hence why he created Vaapad, so that he could use that darkness without succumming to it. I think the reason he protested Anakin's training was that he doubted his ability to resist the dark, knowing how hard it could be. Write now I'm writing a dark-Mace fic, and something tells me I'm not getting the characterisation quite right. All I know is that he's a great character to write, because the films show so little of his persona. In my opinion, he has to have a sense of humour of some sort. I guess what I mean is that he's a really good character to explore because he's mysterious. -----signature----- Proud to be Fanfic Padawan of ZaraValinor! Proud WNU Master of green_riddle_monkey and takua16! Rise and Fall - http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28470791/p1/
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Jacob__Nion Registered: Jul '08	Date Posted: 7/23/08 5:21am Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread - Date Edited: 7/23/08 5:24am (1 edits total) Edited By: Jacob__Nion
	I have always considered that Mace would be good in a western and have so since I read Shatterpoint. At times, like the arena in AOTC, he's reminded me of a Crusading Cowboy. One year for my birthday DarthIshtar wrote me a fic with Mace in a Western, I'll just go dig it up. EDIT: Here it is High Noon BTW, I SO wanted him to fight with Dooku in ROTS and was very disappointed when he didn't. That battle was an epic that never happened. Thank the Force for fan fic -----signature----- Hey it's me, Katana_Geldar, I just created this sock in honour of Force Unleashed
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RKMeibalane Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 7/23/08 5:15pm Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	Lolly_Tolly posted: Mace bordered on the darkness. Hence why he created Vaapad, so that he could use that darkness without succumming to it. I think the reason he protested Anakin's training was that he doubted his ability to resist the dark, knowing how hard it could be. Write now I'm writing a dark-Mace fic, and something tells me I'm not getting the characterisation quite right. All I know is that he's a great character to write, because the films show so little of his persona. In my opinion, he has to have a sense of humour of some sort. I guess what I mean is that he's a really good character to explore because he's mysterious. I've often wondered about the type of Sith Mace would have been. Mace is obviously an extremely cerebral, intelligent individual, but I don't see him as the type who would work behind the scenes, as Sidious so often did. Mace seems the type who would rather do the work himself, an attitude that compares favorably with Vader, though Mace's determination is much less fiery than his younger counterpart. I also don't see him as a man who would kill others for revenge, but rather, as someone who is aware of his own prowess with the Force and the lightsaber, he strikes me as someone who would kill others because they stood in his way. What makes a character like Windu difficult to write is that we have little or no idea what he was like when he wasn't in Council chambers, which where he was most often seen in the films. I haven't read Shatterpoint yet, though I am planning to in the near future. It would be interesting to learn more about Mace's childhood and training. I have often asked myself, "Who were his friends during his time as a initiate or Padawan? What was his relationship with his Master like? Did he ever fall in love, and how did these feelings subsequently shape his personality? Mace appears to live and die by the Jedi Code in the films, but was he always this type of person, or were there specific events that molded him into the Jedi Knight we are familiar with? Good luck with your story. I'll look forward to reading it if it's posted here.
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Katana_Geldar Title: Former CR Tasmania, AU RPG & Minis Saga GM Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 7/23/08 6:17pm Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	Read Shatterpoint, RK, it tells you A LOT about Mace and a lot of it is in first person. Mace is actually a pretty funny guy at times. I don't think we know who his Master was, though he's probably still not alive. I can tell you that he views Depa as the "daughter he will never have" and it must have been hard dealing with what happened to her as she betrays him in a way. -----signature----- Jacen and the two Vergeres http://gmgeldar.wordpress.com/vergere-essay/ Now, if you don't mind, I am somewhat preoccoupied telling the laws of physics to shut up and sit down.
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Alexis_Wingstar Registered: Sep '06	Date Posted: 7/23/08 6:32pm Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	Mace Windu is one of the most complex Jedi characters. I think before AoTC, he probably had a sense of humor that he hid behind that "Don't mess with me" look. After all, a Jedi Master is supposed to be serious, right? He'd be a great sabaac player. -----signature----- Driving down life's highway, I have reached a very rough patch. I didn't realize it was still under construction! Mayhap I took a wrong turn?
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RKMeibalane Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 7/23/08 6:43pm Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	Katana_Geldar posted: Read Shatterpoint, RK, it tells you A LOT about Mace and a lot of it is in first person. Mace is actually a pretty funny guy at times. I don't think we know who his Master was, though he's probably still not alive. Thank you for the info on Shatterpoint. I'm anxious to track down a copy, so that I'll have a chance to read it. Thinking about it now, it's possible that Yoda may have actually been Mace's Master. Based on the films, they are obviously close friends, as they are undoubtedly the "one-two punch" of the Jedi Order. But their relationship seems to be more than just the friendship of two people who sit on the Council. Mace possesses an extraordinary amount of self-control and discipline, virtues he certainly could have acquired from Yoda. Mace also seems to be the person who presides over Council meetings. We know that Yoda at one served as Council Chairman, and it is not a stretch to believe that he may have yielded this position to Mace, once he believed he was ready for the job. But what intrigues me most about their relationship is that Mace seems much less formal with Yoda than he does with other Jedi, even when dealing with fellow Council members. Their friendship has the... feel, for lack of a better word, of one that has seen two people venture into the mouth of hell, and back again. It would be interesting to know more about their friendship, and how their relationship has evolved as Mace made the transition from Padawan to Knight, from Knight to Master, and from Master to Council member. What we don't see- and this has always bothered me- is Yoda's reaction to Mace's death. His reaction to the slaughter of several Jedi is shown- a scene that always touched me- but it would have been both an interesting and powerful scene if we could have witnessed the affect that the death of such a close friend would have had on Yoda.
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Valairy_Scot Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 7/23/08 9:44pm Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	What we don't see- and this has always bothered me- is Yoda's reaction to Mace's death. His reaction to the slaughter of several Jedi is shown- a scene that always touched me- but it would have been both an interesting and powerful scene if we could have witnessed the affect that the death of such a close friend would have had on Yoda Gosh, yes, what a powerful missing moment fanfic one-shot! (Go away plot bunny, go away!) Mace Windu is a personae that has infiltrated the real man, I think. "Don't mess with Mace" is his attitude, but I suspect he sternly controls himself because of the expectations he puts on himself. I suspect he has a real dry sense of humor that most people overlook because it's so dry and is rarely allowed to be put on display. I do see him as a good friend to Qui - a friendship full of fond exasperation and eye-rolling (other than Mace is not an eye-rolling type of guy). He's a doer, a fixer, a make-it-right and do-it-by-the-book until the book doesn't work - then stand back and watch Mace throw off the shackles that bind him. If you ever got the senior Jedi in a wild party, safe from prying eyes, I bet Mace really can let his hair down (probably did, accounting for current lack of) - but it would take a fair amount to get him to that point. I think he's pretty shrewd, quite intelligent, but not necessarily really wise. He has a keen sense of duty and responsibility, and any "kindness" comes out gruff and perhaps awkward. Not having read Shatterpoint, I don't know if this is anything like the Mace revealed in that book, but this is the Mace I think he is. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/fan_fiction_resource/b10304/25405090/p3/?52 Prolific Author thread: list & links there. Muse fueled by coffee. Often AWOL despite frequent sipping. Writes on inspiration, not a schedule. 2007-2008 the quality years
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Katana_Geldar Title: Former CR Tasmania, AU RPG & Minis Saga GM Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 7/23/08 10:46pm Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	He's actually quite funny in Shatterpoint, even regarding the fact it's a veryt dark and very violent novel. -----signature----- Jacen and the two Vergeres http://gmgeldar.wordpress.com/vergere-essay/ Now, if you don't mind, I am somewhat preoccoupied telling the laws of physics to shut up and sit down.
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Lolly_Tolly Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 7/23/08 11:54pm Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	Shatterpoint was a really good book as far as learning about Mace goes. I never finished reading it though, it got a little too dark and violent. I just skipped the last couple f chapters and read the epilogue. Wookieepedia has a brief overview of his personallity. Some of it's already been stated in the thread, but it also offers evidence. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mace_Windu#Personality_and_traits -----signature----- Proud to be Fanfic Padawan of ZaraValinor! Proud WNU Master of green_riddle_monkey and takua16! Rise and Fall - http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28470791/p1/
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Katana_Geldar Title: Former CR Tasmania, AU RPG & Minis Saga GM Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 7/24/08 2:49am Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	Shouldn't have skipped it, Lolly, I loved Mace's last line "I seem to be...the last one standing." -----signature----- Jacen and the two Vergeres http://gmgeldar.wordpress.com/vergere-essay/ Now, if you don't mind, I am somewhat preoccoupied telling the laws of physics to shut up and sit down.
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Lolly_Tolly Registered: Apr '08	Date Posted: 7/24/08 4:46am Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	That sounds familiar. goes and gets Shatterpoint* from her bookshelf* Ok. So I didn't skip the whole chapter. I guess I just read the dialogue. And that last line is a classic example of his rarely seen sense of humour, in my opinion. -----signature----- Proud to be Fanfic Padawan of ZaraValinor! Proud WNU Master of green_riddle_monkey and takua16! Rise and Fall - http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28470791/p1/
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Katana_Geldar Title: Former CR Tasmania, AU RPG & Minis Saga GM Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 7/24/08 5:05am Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	There's Mace taking himself hostage, as well as when he's going through that shower thing and beat a few guys up preying on vulnerable people. That's our Mace all right! -----signature----- Jacen and the two Vergeres http://gmgeldar.wordpress.com/vergere-essay/ Now, if you don't mind, I am somewhat preoccoupied telling the laws of physics to shut up and sit down.
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Vivid_Scripts Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 7/24/08 7:31am Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	RKMeibalane posted: To many, he is remembered as the man who refused Anakin Skywalker the opportunity to train as a Jedi, as the personification of the arrogance and self-importance that corrupted the Jedi Order during the final days of the Old Republic. The RotS novelization (p154 on paperback) says that Mace actually supported Anakin's training because his Shatterpoint ability allowed him to see just how important Anakin was. Also, according to wiki, Mace trained under T'ra Saa--though its not known if she was his Mentor. However, I am writing a 5-part Mace Windu short story that does portray T'ra Saa as his mentor. I have to agree with Alexis_Wingstar in that Mace is a very, very complex character. A lot of his complexity stems from his extremely unique ability of perceiving shatterpoints. From TPM on, the cloud of the dark side blinds the Jedi in a way. They can't rely on the futuresight and precognition that they've relied on for generations. The only Jedi that isn't completely blinded by this is Mace. The cloud of the dark side prevented him from gleaning the Force for the details of the future but he could still use his shatterpoint ability to perceive the relative importance of people, events, situations; etc I wonder how things would have been different if Mace was the Grandmaster of the Jedi. I think he's much more dynamic than the other Jedi Council members, and would have been able to bring about changes that would have helped the Order grow or evolve to match the problems posed by the resurgent Sith. I'm actually writing an AU fic that features this as one of the dominant plot points. -----signature----- "trickbind"
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RKMeibalane Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 7/24/08 1:03pm Subject: RE: Mace Windu Characterization Thread
	Vivid_Scripts posted: I wonder how things would have been different if Mace was the Grandmaster of the Jedi. I think he's much more dynamic than the other Jedi Council members, and would have been able to bring about changes that would have helped the Order grow or evolve to match the problems posed by the resurgent Sith. I'm actually writing an AU fic that features this as one of the dominant plot points. You reminded me of a story I've always wanted to write, but have never actually attempted. Suppose that it had been Mace who survived the Jedi Purge, rather than Yoda. Would he have gone into hiding as Yoda and Obi-Wan did, or would he have found a role for himself in the Rebellion, actively trying to subvert Palpatine and Vader? As several have commented in this thread, Windu is not type of the person to sit by and allow events to unfold: his innate ability to recognize the shatterpoints within the Force precludes his being a spectator, as I'm certain he has explored any and all shatterpoints pertaining to himself. He definitely would have had some sort of impact on the events following ROTS, as well as the years intervening the PT and OT. It would also have been interesting to see his approach to training Luke and/or Leia, and his handling of the secrets regarding their heritage. What's more, had Mace been alive in ANH, it may have been him, rather than Obi-Wan, who confronted Darth Vader. I've always wanted to see a lightsaber duel between Anakin/Vader and Mace, perhaps more so than Mace/Sidious or Mace/Dooku. Food for thought... Thanks everyone for your responses and input. I'm looking forward to watching this thread expand and grow!
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