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OceanPacific Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 1/11/03 12:09am Subject: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	In the commentary for the deleted scenes, it was said that Dooku's allegiance was supposed to remain unclear until the end. Here's the question I want to toss out: When you saw AOTC for the first time, were you really uncertain about Dooku, or was it pretty obvious that he was a bad guy? In his first scene, with Nute Gunray on Geonosis, and Obi Wan spying on them, it became immediately apparent to me that he was on the "other team". Perhaps GL should have left that scene out. I got a little confused when he told the captive Obi Wan that the Sith Lord Sidious was in charge of the senate, but I still felt certain that Dooku was a bad guy. During the execution scene, it was finally revealed which side he was on. But for all of you -- were you really fooled? Were you unsure of Dooku's allegiance, up to the arena scene, as GL intended?
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dehrian Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Mar '99	Date Posted: 1/11/03 12:26am Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	Well, I was spoiled, so I can't answer this question. But I was talking to a good friend of mine who was convinced until he saw Dooku reporting to Sidious that Dooku was actually a good guy. He said that what threw him off was the scene in which Dooku tries to get Obi-Wan to join him against the Sith. He believed that Dooku was a good guy with good intentions who was just going outside the rules to get things done. It wasn't until the end that he realized fully what was going on. So, for us in the know it might have seemed obvious; but I can see how the unspoiled might not have seen it coming. -----signature----- In here, speculation quickly becomes assumption, and then assumption becomes fact, and reveals itself as disappointment when what everyone forgets began as speculation turns out to be false.
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Admiral_Thrawn60 Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 1/11/03 1:13am Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	I was uncertain until the execution scene. -----signature----- I am leaving the internet forever on May 15. JC, MSN, AIM, everything. If anyone wants to say goodbye, please do so before then.
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Sidious_Vicious Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 1/11/03 10:38am Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	From the moment I saw him, I knew he was a bad 'un. He's Count Dracula, for God's sake - AND Saruman. What did you all expect?
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-Ace- Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 1/11/03 2:55pm Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	Didn't fool me for a bit. Had the same look on his face and voice as Palpy did when he was BSing about democracy in front of the senate.
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DamonD Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 1/11/03 3:09pm Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	The Dooku/Obi-Wan scene threw me a little bit, but I thought he was bad since we saw him with a red sabre in the trailer. Oops! -----signature----- I love all 6 Star Wars films. Live with it. Member of FIGS, the Fantastic Ian (McDiarmid) Gushers Society.
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Rebel Scumb Registered: Feb '99	Date Posted: 1/12/03 9:37am Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt? - Date Edited: 1/12/03 10:06am (1 edits total) Edited By: Rebel Scumb
	The problem is we aren't given enough reason to believe he's good, if in his meeting scene he talked about how the republic had ggrown corrupt under palaptine, and the chancellor needed to be overthrown, then we as an audience would go "ok we know palpy is bad, so maybe this guy is good" the other problem is that we have Dooku denying knowing Jango to obi-wan, yet we already know he is the one who hired him, and that obi-wan knows this since he over heard Dooku fess up to it. It would be better if Dooku just said, yeah I'm behind the assassionation attempts, but Amidala is a puppet of Palpatines, and helped bring him to power, then we as an audience would be saying, 'yeah thats true, this doooku guy is like the first rebel agaisnt palaptine'. Then the next thing should be that dooku should not mention going to coruscant or his 'master' to poggle bcause thats really the dead give away, and I don't think he should use lighting because that is pure sith. Perhaps he should not of had a red saber in this episode, to keep it more ambiguios, maybe he should of had purple instead of mace (half red, half blue. Half good half bad) and then in ep3 when is just darth tyrannus he would use red. Those are my thoughts. -----signature----- The Clone wars cartoon is everything I ever wanted from the prequels.
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Ret Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 1/12/03 11:55am Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	"So, for us in the know it might have seemed obvious; but I can see how the unspoiled might not have seen it coming. " Unless they saw the Darth Tyrannus action figure. -----signature----- 8-15-08
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Lord_Hydronium Title: Literature Gardener Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/12/03 12:16pm Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	I was sure he was bad until his conversation with Obi-Wan. That confused me, and I started thinking that he was actually something of a good guy, since he was going agaisnt Sidious. Then came the execution, and I knew he was bad, but still not a Sith. The lightning showed that he was using the Dark Side (oddly enough, I'm so used to bad guys having red lightsabers that I didn't even notice it), but I didn't realize he was actually a Sith in league with Sidious until the end when he spoke to him. -----signature----- Great midis have little midis Swimming round inside 'em And little midis have lesser midis And so ad infinitum.
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Rebel Scumb Registered: Feb '99	Date Posted: 1/12/03 12:18pm Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	I guess it just assumed that if a jedi left the order they became a Sith, I didn't realize that wasn't the case until near the end of the movie. I can't figure out why the jedi didn't think dooku was a sith from the get go, because they know there is a master out there with no apprentice. (either the original master, or the apprentice who has now graduated) -----signature----- The Clone wars cartoon is everything I ever wanted from the prequels.
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Lord_Hydronium Title: Literature Gardener Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/12/03 12:34pm Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	Maybe they think Dooku was the master or former apprentice. I believe that in an old version of the script (I think this was still when the non-existent Jedi "Sido-Dyas" had ordered the clones) Yoda says something along the lines of "Found our missing apprentice, we have." -----signature----- Great midis have little midis Swimming round inside 'em And little midis have lesser midis And so ad infinitum.
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Rebel Scumb Registered: Feb '99	Date Posted: 1/12/03 12:55pm Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	yeah that wa sin there, but they still never connected dooku to the sith at that stage. There was also a point where it was darth tyrannus who ordered the clones, and yoda said "with a first name of darht, a sith, he must be" but again they didn't know it was dooku. -----signature----- The Clone wars cartoon is everything I ever wanted from the prequels.
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SomeRandomNerd Registered: Dec '99	Date Posted: 1/13/03 10:13am Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	I still think we're supposed to think that he's pure evil, but that in Episode III it will transpire that he's turned to the Dark Side with the intention of destroying the Sith from within (ie. doing the wrong thing, but with good intentions.) I quite like the theory that he thinks he's the "chosen one"... -----signature----- \|-o-\| [-o-] \|-o-\| .____>o<____ People think angels fly because they have wings; they fly because they take themselves lightly. "I love animation. It's way better than... er... whatever the alternative is."
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Rebel Scumb Registered: Feb '99	Date Posted: 2/4/03 2:33pm Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	That may be the case, but then why not portray Dooku as being more evil in AOTC so the film can have a villan, the film feels so empty without one. -----signature----- The Clone wars cartoon is everything I ever wanted from the prequels.
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ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Title: Moderator Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 2/4/03 3:05pm Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	I think Dooku is villianous enough. He happily watches twenty or more Jedi (many who were probally his friends) die in the arena, and was about to kill Obi-Wan, who has a connection to him through Qui-Gon. -----signature----- Angela Why so serious?
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Rebel Scumb Registered: Feb '99	Date Posted: 2/4/03 3:41pm Subject: RE: Was Dooku's allegiance in doubt?
	I dunno, he seems pretty wishy washy to me, he seems regretful about killing the jedi and he doesn't show up until over an hour into the movie. It wouldn't amtter so much if there was another villan to strengthen the conflict, Jango could easily have been steped up to a primary character all they had to do was follow through with his storyline through to the end of the movie instead of abandoning him once dooku shows up. -----signature----- The Clone wars cartoon is everything I ever wanted from the prequels.
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