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Kit-Fisto7BA Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 4/21/03 8:26pm Subject: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
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zombie Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 4/21/03 8:30pm Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
	because its going to be used in Anakin vs Obi Wan in ep III. Besides, we get a brief rendition of it during the tatooine sequence. Dont want to overuse it. -----signature----- The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available in print http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com
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Pooja Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 4/21/03 8:48pm Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
	Originality, perhaps?
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DamonD Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 4/22/03 6:14am Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
	I didn't expect DOTF to be used at all for AOTC. It seemed to become Maul's signature theme, after all. So, I was pleasently surprised when it popped up during Anakin's search for his mother. I'm not sure if it'll be in Ep3, and that's probably the best way to go about it. Don't expect to hear it, and you'll enjoy it more if it does then suddenly strike up. -----signature----- I love all 6 Star Wars films. Live with it. Member of FIGS, the Fantastic Ian (McDiarmid) Gushers Society.
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dorkyfresh Registered: Apr '03	Date Posted: 4/22/03 10:06am Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
	It would've felt out of place if they put it in the fight scene with Obi-Wan, Anakin, Yoda, and Dooku because even though it's one of the fastest parts of the movies...it's a fairly slow paced fight scene and Duel of Fates is ment to be played at a fast paced time of the movie (Darth Maul's fight scene). I, personally, don't think that if Anakin and Obi Wan fight on a volcano or outside a building that Duel of the Fates will be played because it has a temple/ritualistic sound and feel to it that wouldn't fit if Anakin and Obi Wan fought outside. It worked in Phantom Menace because Obi Wan, Qui Gon, and Darth Maul were in huge inside settings. -----signature----- Lightsabers are awesome.
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rpeugh Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 4/22/03 10:15am Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
	Yeah, you dont want to overdo it. Besides, its not in the OT fights either. If it were in AOCT, then the OT fights would feel out of place. Personally, if DOTF returns for episode 3, I hope they atleast do some sort of slight variation of it. (Maybe a different sounding chorus.) -----signature----- NOVEMBER 2, 2010 : JUDGEMENT DAY
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qui-gon-kim Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 4/22/03 7:31pm Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
	Duel of the Fates to me suggests a battle of good vs evil. In TPM, it's used in the Maul vs Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan duel, the first battle between Jedi and Sith. In AOTC, it's used to symbolize the inner conflict between good and evil in the soul of Anakin Skywalker as he searches for his mother, and fits perfectly.
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General Kenobi Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Dec '98	Date Posted: 4/23/03 7:52am Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
	This topic can be discussed in the SW Music Forum. For example, this thread deals specifically with the Yoda-Dooku duel.
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Tukafo Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 4/23/03 8:07am Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
	I think Lucas used Duel of the Fates in a wrong way in TPM. As somebody else said, it was Maul's signature. Not only did it play during the duel (or should it be "trial"?) but variations also were played in earlier Maul scenes whenever he made an appearance. Lucas used it as "Maul's theme" really.
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Guy DuBlanc Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 4/23/03 4:03pm Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes? - Date Edited: 4/23/03 4:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Guy DuBlanc
	One theory that has been thrown out there is that DOTF is used in the PT as a signifier of a dramatic turning point. In TPM, Maul's appearance and fight with 2 Jedi is the first full-blown Jedi vs. Sith battle in over a millenia. It is also significant because of what happens to the characters. Maul dies, and more importantly, Qui-Gon dies. QG's death was a huge turning point in the Saga, for it placed Obi-Wan in charge of Anakin. Let the record show Obi-Wan did NOT want to train Anakin, for he believed, as did the Council, that Anakin was too old. It is also conceivable that QG's death led to a "sympathy vote" with the Council members, that they agreed to Anakin's training because it was QG's last wish. OBW, in particular, felt obliged to honor that. In AOTC, DOTF is used, again, for a major turning point, this time for Anakin. For this is the beginning of his descent to the Dark Side. Initially, I felt that DOTF was used very badly in AOTC. But upon hearing the above explanation, I feel that it actually works quite well. In fact, I can think of no other reason why DOTF was used in AOTC.
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DamonD Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 4/23/03 4:18pm Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
	The whole sequence of Anakin searching for his mother, with DOTF and the hellish blood-red skies, is very powerful to me. -----signature----- I love all 6 Star Wars films. Live with it. Member of FIGS, the Fantastic Ian (McDiarmid) Gushers Society.
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LordOfTetris Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 4/23/03 9:56pm Subject: RE: Why no DOTF music during any of the fight scenes?
	All this talk of "Maul's theme" and "Dramatic turning point" makes perfect sense, but I have a theory that makes better sense, at least to me. I'm not forcing my opinion onto anybody, just hear me out. I write music. I know music. John Williams has been known to pick music just because "it sounds good" like when Leia's theme plays at Obi Wan's death. There's all sorts of thematic reasoning, but at the end, Williams chose it because it just sounded like it fit the moment. Which is exactly what I think DOTF was used in episode 2 for. It was a tense, dramatic theme (regardless of whose theme it is), and the moment was a tense and dramatic. My only complaint about that scene is that all that WONDERFUL suspense is wasted with a badly-inserted scene of Obi Wan. Seriously, that scene should've gone someplace else.
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