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''If it would've been your mum . . .''
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Darth_Digital
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12/17/04 5:10pm
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RE: ''If it would've been your mum . . .''
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Now you see, its polls like this that really get my blood boiling.
Nothing against Obi-Zahn of course. I'm refering to the whole abandonment of ones mother theme.
I know this has been hacked to death since '99, but indulge me for a second.
I realize that its all dramatic licence and set up for the ultimate pay off of Revenge in Ep3, but come on.
Fantasy be damned; You have to apply a little Earth based realism here.
You remove a 10 year old boy from an isolated planet that allows cruelty and slavery to its citizens.
Those that 'liberated' this boy, take him to the brighest centre of the universe and give him a nice government job so to speak, and your telling me they forced him to go for 10 years without being able to contact, follow up, or otherwise liberate his mom?
That's nuts.
'Attachment is forbidden' be damned.
Surely common sense in such a organization would recognize the benefit of final 'peace of mind' for Anakin by shelling out cold hard cuurrency to free the woman.
"I didn't come here to free slaves."
What kind of hero is that?!
If such an circumstance was my path, I'd certainly kill ANY Tuskin that prevented me from removing my mother to the swoop.
Those that kept away would be the lucky ones.
Then, when it was all said and done I'd kill ALL the Jedi when I got back.
THEN myself in shame for allowing such stupidity to happen in the first place.
10 years folks.
Guardians of peace and justice?
Such rot.
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DarthNeil
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Date Posted:
12/18/04 6:02am
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RE: ''If it would've been your mum . . .''
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Anakin may have been playing by the rule of association. If you know that somebody is suffering, and you know it's individuals from your tribe, your family, your friends, etc. who are causing that suffering, many people will argue that you are as guilty as the actual tormentors for your negligence of action. It's sort of the idea that simply by lacking ignorance toward a certain wrong doing, you become an accomplice by silence alone.
This is true, if you see some girl get rapped and you say nothing then you are just as bad as the person that comited the crime.
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Ryloth_bounty_hunter
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12/20/04 3:23pm
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I would be hurt and angry, but not to the point of killing them.
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REALbluelightsaber
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12/21/04 9:31am
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Of course I would like to say that I'd be a good little girl and just sneak out with my poor mom in my arms, but is that realistic?
HELL NO!
I'd be on their ass in a sec those sick twisted...
Then I'd feel like I'm a moral and ethical failure, but so were they, right?
alas-let's just hope and pray that that would never ever happen (well with humans that is not tuskans cause they don't exist)
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threepio_mania
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12/23/04 9:47pm
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Anakin may have been playing by the rule of association. If you know that somebody is suffering, and you know it's individuals from your tribe, your family, your friends, etc. who are causing that suffering, many people will argue that you are as guilty as the actual tormentors for your negligence of action. It's sort of the idea that simply by lacking ignorance toward a certain wrong doing, you become an accomplice by silence alone.
What is to say all the Tuskens saw it happen though?
Plus, women and children? Even if they did know, it isn't like they could stop Tusken Warriors.
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Chaotic_Serenity
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12/24/04 8:05am
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What is to say all the Tuskens saw it happen though?
Plus, women and children? Even if they did know, it isn't like they could stop Tusken Warriors.
I never said I agreed with Anakin, merely attempting to explain how he may have viewed it. And, really, I find it kinda impossible that everyone, except maybe children, would have been ignorant of what was going on. The novel and movie more or less tell us Shmi was there for weeks, and she was quite obviously sequestered away in a specific part of the camp. Not to mention that if Shmi's kidnapping and subsequent torture was part of the "blood rites" ritual Lucas described the Tuskens having, then it was likely very much publicly known.
And just because you may not be able to stop somebody, it doesn't mean you simply stand back and allow it to happen. By allowing things to continue, particularly by simply turning a blind eye to what their men are doing, the women are actually making things worse. They are not only silently condoning what was being done to Shmi, but they were perpetuating the cycle of violence by passing it down to their children. Now, again, this is not to say that I feel they deserved an execution or that their hands were as blood-spattered as the individuals who actually comitted the act (I don't think the novel specifies if it was just the men, either), but they do have a hand in it, unintentionally or not.
This isn't to say what Anakin did is right. At the very least, it seems universally agreed upon that he shouldn't have killed the women and children, much less the men. Even he seems to recognize the horror of what he did when he confesses what he did to Padme. This is merely a show of one viewpoint regarding the Tusken slaughter, and not particularly my own, either. (For the record, I think he was wrong for attacking at all. I'm empathetic to his case, but it was still wrong. Revenge, to me, is an utter waste that only continues the cycle of hate. Violence begets violence, after all, and as Qui Gon pointed out to Anakin in the TPM novel, it doesn't fix or change anything.)
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starwarsagent
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12/26/04 1:47am
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leave them alone. jedi dont kill for revenge. only as a defense.
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DarthNeil
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12/27/04 2:10am
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Is it possable that anakin could have sneaked back out of the camp or would his dead mother slow him down.
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Darth_SaberTooth
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12/27/04 1:39pm
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Kill...no mercy
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JediSara
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12/27/04 1:52pm
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kill 'em all!
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Jawalord
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12/27/04 5:40pm
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I wouldn't harm the women and children. Call me soft-hearted, but I just couldn't bring myself to kill poor defenseless females and little ones.
But for the males...IT'S SLICE AND DICE TIME!!! MUHAHAHAHA!!!! 
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Eliante
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12/29/04 7:52am
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I guess I would have wanted to act like Anakin, but would be so shocked and desperate I`d just cry and scream and perhaps lash about on everyone who happened to be there. I don`t think I`d have enough self-control to truly and effectively harm too many of them. Anakin`s grief turned into determination to take revenge. I do not think mine would. I`d probably get killed myself. Then again, you can never really say what you would do if this and that had happened to you...because it didn`t.
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Guardian-Lord
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12/30/04 8:11am
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I would have killed Them all and kill any other Tusken Raider i'd ever see in my life.
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DarthNeil
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12/30/04 11:49am
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Also tuskens are evil.
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Jawalord
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12/31/04 9:30am
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You can't call an entire race evil just because their warriors have cruel and barbaric traditions. Humans have a long history of torture and savagery too. Does that mean we're all evil?
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