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DarthNeil
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1/3/05 2:16am
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True Jawalord but this is star wars and not real life. How do you know if the woman and children are not tought how to fight. So anakin my not have had a choice when it came to who he killed
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DarthNeil
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1/7/05 10:57am
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You can't call an entire race evil just because their warriors have cruel and barbaric traditions. Humans have a long history of torture and savagery too. Does that mean we're all evil?
Yes you can, but you could not say travel 200 years into the future and call us evil for things that happend 4000 years ago.
What happened to anakins mother happened in the presant most of the evil stuff we did happend in the past.
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NiktosRule
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1/7/05 9:46pm
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I probably would've killed them all. Hopefully I could've kept a sound mind and not killed any of them though. I know I wouldn't have just killed the men and women and spared the children. Your just sparing the children to starve to death in the desert. That is more cruel than killing them in my opinion. If I was going to kill them I wouldn't show any prejudice.
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SapphireAD
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1/9/05 11:21pm
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If I was in that situation, I'd most likely leap in there and start hacking away at every Tusken Raider I'd see. Afterwards though, I'd be conflicted because sometimes I'd feel guilty and other times I'd be satisfied.
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DarthNeil
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1/14/05 1:49am
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You mean just like anakin was in the film.
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mojorising
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I put "other".... he he he.
I know I'm not alone. Vader's just a spy. I think even when he's a "bad guy" he's a good guy.
Huh?
Shut up... what the hell are you talking about.... you have no idea, young one.
If anybody not just the tuskins but Terrorist or kiddnappers murdered or Executed my mom or friends anybody I love, I sure as hell would kick there ass.
Wow, you're a brave person. Are you going to go overseas to serve in Iraq? Go and play sports like a good 'lil boy.
Padmé's not a terrorist, but she plays one on TV. She's very hard to place, that one.
So is it true that if I kill you, I become you?
What happened to anakins mother happened in the presant most of the evil stuff we did happend in the past?
Does Natalie Port..... I mean Padmé, belong to an evil race?
It's not quite clear is it? But that arguement HAS been made before.
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MrC123
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1/14/05 4:06pm
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I happen to love my Mom. If some bast**** kidnapped her and killed my mother, oh, I'd be messing some people up! I'd do what Anakin did.
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gezvader28
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What happened to anakins mother happened in the presant most of the evil stuff we did happend in the past.
Turn on the news, it's still going. Wars, torture, tyranny. And there's still plenty of murderers, rapists, paedophiles . Not to mention the sickening inequality of the rich and the poor, how many starved today ?
It's still going on.
btw - aotc happened "A Long Time Ago ..." 
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DarthNeil
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1/17/05 8:15am
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Agree with MrC123 do i.
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darthmedium
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1/17/05 10:44am
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Yes, yes.
Hear you nothing that I say?
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theBluePhoenix
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I agree that we cannot say that all Sand-people are bad just because some clearly are. However, that particular tribe who were directly responsible for what happened to Anakin’s Mom deserve to pay for what they did. If I were Anakin, I would have done the same thing. That does not mean that “I” would do that simply because the world that I live in is very different from the world of Star Wars. For example, Anankin got away with it scott free. If I would do that today, I would be caught, arrested, convicted, and thrown in jail for a long time.
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DarthNeil
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1/22/05 1:15am
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theBluePhoenix,
You say that tuskans as a race are not evil right. Then i say prove it, every time we see a tusken in star wars they are doing something evil. Also in every game that there is of star wars killing tuskans is the thing to do because they are the bad guys.
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DarthNeil
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1/26/05 5:20am
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Can no one disprove the fact that tuskans are evil?
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Chaotic_Serenity
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1/26/05 8:52am
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Depends on what you're definition of evil is and to what extent it's scope is. The Aztec civilization used brutal human sacrifices to worship their gods. The Europeans/Americans/etc. enslaved, murdered, and destroyed the rights of Native and African Americans for hundreds of years. In 1937, Japanese troops invaded the Chinese city of Naking and brutally raped, murdered, and mutilated an estimated 369,366 citizens, while shortly afterwards, Hitler began his genocidal campaign. And that's just in our history. Plenty examples of this kind of violence and brutality exist in the world today and always will. So does that make the entire species evil? Do we measure ourselves by the acts of a few (or many) and then generate an opinion based on that, rather than measuring individual merit?
The Tusken Raiders are purposefully presented are ambiguously moral for the sole purpose of reflecting the same in Anakin's actions. Both the character and the audience are left with a feeling of uncertainty. Was Anakin's actions justified due to the heinous treatment of Shmi? How will this affect his character in the future? Is this a sign of things to come, or did the emotions of the present demand that such action be taken without future ramifications?
However, at no such point should the audience feel that the Tuskens are completely evil. We are meant to have a sense of wrongness in what Anakin's doing, as the scene cuts away at one point to show children playing with their parents. When one damning characterization is applied to an entire species, it leads to the creation of conflicts and emotions that birth destructive, speciest/racist forces like the empire. It's what leads to hate and ultimately being consumed by that hate, perpetuating a cycle of violence throughout generations.
If Anakin kills once in anger, what was to stop him from doing again? Anakin was in pain, and we sympathize with him, but what he did was wrong.
For example, Anankin got away with it scott free.
Legally, maybe, but not psychologically. He was obviously torn over what he did, and he has to live with himself from that point on knowing that he's committed murder, however justified he may have felt it to be. There's also the issue of whether or not there would have been "justice" on Tatooine. The Tuskens were a hated people. Many may have reacted positively to what Anakin. Additionally, episode III isn't out quite yet, so we'll have to say whether or not he'll have to answer to the council regarding that issue.
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Shadow-Sith
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1/26/05 9:50am
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I would have killed them all and given them fatal wounds that caused great suffering before they would finally die.
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