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anidanami124 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/21/02 11:22am Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Lady S. I'm talking about why Anakin Loves Padme and why Padme loves Anakin. But if you want to believe I'm not talking about that fine. I don't know what else to say. They love each I saw them love in love with each other in the movie You can't make me see other wise. -----signature----- Dark Lords of the JCC My Heros of Music Epica 1. Simone Simons 2. Mark Jansen 3. Yves Huts 4. Coen Janssen 5. Ad Sluijter 6. Jeroen Simons 1)ROTS 2)TESB 3)TPM 4)AOTC 5)ANH 6)ROTJ
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Obi-Can Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 10/21/02 5:26pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	No Obi-wan and Padme do not have a big betrayal. Ani, I agree, what I meant was that it would be a perceived betrayal. Perhaps Anakin is set-up by the baddie, Palpatine to think that Obi-Wan and Padme are having an affair. Something to the effect of an Othello scenario. This was first brought up by Naw-Ibo about 2 mths ago, and I think this a very big possibility for a couple of reasons. Firstly, George has said that we will feel sorry for Anakin after Ep III. Secondly, we Know that Padme is most likely still alive after Ep III and therefore she willingly hides the children from her husband, which means her death in no way causes his fall. Pure speculation on my part. I agree with most of your other post, but I'll never watch Dragon Ball Z on purpose. Palpatine is the master puppeteer in this whole fiasco. I also agree that Anakin is not born evil. However, he does have residual hangups from his life as a slave and inherent personality flaws that leave him with a survivalist mentality. Meaning that he sees all aspects of his life as a survival of the fittest. He will do whatever is necessary to come out and top and gain power over others. The jedi give him the tools to resist this basic instinct, but many times he just doesn't resist. It's hard to overcome your basic nature. I also think he has a great need for love, but not a great capacity to love. He only loves a few people: Shmi, Padme and Obi-Wan. I see this as a trust issue, that's why I think the only way Palpatine can win is to destroy his trust in Padme and Obi-Wan. He's already made a great inroad into Anakin's trusting in Obi-Wan. He will not allow Anakin's trust in Padme to stand. That's my opinion anyway, but for whatever reason (to be shown in Ep III) he chooses to push this love aside and grabs the power instead.
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anidanami124 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/21/02 5:29pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Obi-Can That is another why it could happen but like you said we will have to wait and see. -----signature----- Dark Lords of the JCC My Heros of Music Epica 1. Simone Simons 2. Mark Jansen 3. Yves Huts 4. Coen Janssen 5. Ad Sluijter 6. Jeroen Simons 1)ROTS 2)TESB 3)TPM 4)AOTC 5)ANH 6)ROTJ
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darthtj Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 10/21/02 7:15pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Ok I updated my post. Sorry about that,and goldenboy your not going to hange my view on the tusken animals. I would have wiped them out also, just like many others who share this opinion. -----signature----- Honesty is such a lonely word. Everyone seems so untrue. Billy Joel Write that down
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Lady_Sami_J_Kenobi Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 10/22/02 1:07pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	My son, who is 24, also shares the opinion that he, too, would kill all the Tusken Raiders if he were in the same situation. He said, "You just lose it," meaning, I guess, one's self control. But my son hasn't had ten years of Jedi training. And we see that even Anakin sees that what he has done is wrong. "I'm a Jedi, I know better." I have also had the chance to peruse other threads in these forums. In the JC Senate, they have a thread titled "Pro-life or Pro-choice." anidanami124 stated that he is against abortion because "there is too much death in this world." I found that surprising because this same person has said repeatedly that the Tusken children, even the babies, deserved to die. anidanami124 also brings up repeatedly, as a defense of his position, the cartoon show "Dragonballz," which appeals to the 8-12 year old range, as a defense of Anakin being 'redeemed' because Anakin wasn't born evil, like some of the characters in the cartoon show. No one has said that Anakin was born evil, only that he becomes evil when he becomes Darth Vader. And even my son said Anakin shows signs of being a stalker. Not that he is a stalker, but only that he shows signs of becoming one. Anakin can't let go, he's too possessive. That's how stalkers start out. Lady Sami -----signature----- The path to the Dark Side isn't quick-it starts with "I Hate my hair" and ends with nuking Alderaan. Rm 204-The Ward. In support of Ambassador Cara Jade [face-hugs] What's logical in a world where the sun appears to set when it's the horizon rising?
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anidanami124 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/22/02 1:16pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Lady S. The people who watch DBZ were not just 8-12. In fact the real uncut VHS his three charater giving the finger. The Japan one has them sewring. So don't comment on something you have not watched or know little about. Also I'm saying if you would please read it. Is that Palpaitne ont Anakin is teh main BAD GUY. Again Palpaitne has played ever one for fools Anakin, Padme, Yoda, Obi-wan, etc. You keep trying to came him in to this cold blood killer that can not trun back form the Dark Side. Which I find odd. But you know we just keep saying the same thign over and over again. You say a stalker. I didn't. Can we agree on that? Can we agree on the fact that we don't see the same things. Where you don't see two people in love. I do. If you can't agree to that. Then I don't know what to say. -----signature----- Dark Lords of the JCC My Heros of Music Epica 1. Simone Simons 2. Mark Jansen 3. Yves Huts 4. Coen Janssen 5. Ad Sluijter 6. Jeroen Simons 1)ROTS 2)TESB 3)TPM 4)AOTC 5)ANH 6)ROTJ
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DarthBreezy Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 10/22/02 2:01pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 10/22/02 2:20pm (3 edits total) Edited By: DarthBreezy
	In Anidan's defense... Comparing his reasons for being Anti-abortion in the REAL WORLD on the Senate forum to his opinions of FICTIONAL SITUATIONS is hitting below the belt. I LOVE Anakin ( the fictional character who becomes an accessory to mass murder) but that does not mean I think highly of REAL WORLD Nuts that are all over the place. It's comparing apples to automobiles and I feel a little over the line all things considered. (Edited for spelling) And before you try to drag me into an argument, please note that I have no interest in discussing this (or anything else) with you but in this instance I felt that I had to say something in defense of my freind. Edit: I KNOW Anidan doesn't NEED defending, but he has stood by me and I want to return the favor because I consider him my freind. I also stand by my initial reaction that I feel it was an inapropriate comparison. -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/29640754/p1 Dear Tam - an AU post ROTJ story told through the eyes of a child "It's hard, being a Jedi..." - Pem Skywalker Anywhere Is Possible
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Lady_Sami_J_Kenobi Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 10/22/02 2:04pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Darth_Breezy, ani doesn't need you to defend him. We have already discussed this via pm. Lady Sami -----signature----- The path to the Dark Side isn't quick-it starts with "I Hate my hair" and ends with nuking Alderaan. Rm 204-The Ward. In support of Ambassador Cara Jade [face-hugs] What's logical in a world where the sun appears to set when it's the horizon rising?
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Obi-Can Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 10/22/02 6:47pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Thats so sweet!!! Ani has a girlfriend, Ani has a girlfriend. Ani's a big guy and can defend himself, needs spell check, but otherwise defends himself just fine. I reiterate my point previously, a lot of people will defend Anikan's actions because it's Anakin and they like him and feel that he's picked on, but if another character or if someone in real-life were to commit these acts they would be outraged. It's called being a fan. Nothing wrong with it but it sometimes interferes with sensible discussion. On the other hand it has made for some lively arguements in the past. I think it's hard for us non-fans to understand the fan mentality since we see very little real-life logic in it. And since the fan can't explain their logic or reasons for coming to these conclusions we the non-fans discount their opinions. As Ani, said we aren't going to change each other's minds, but we have alot of fun trying. Getting back on point, Ani I don't think anyone is saying that Anakin is evil yet. However, we have seen that he has the potential for evil. He comitted an evil act in anger. He's dangerous, especially to Padme and Obi-Wan, since those are the two he is attached to. I think he will blow if he sees anything that he perceives as betrayal from these to (I'm not suggesting an affair). This could be Padme going against him politically or Obi-Wan not supporting him with the council. I would go even further and say, though he isn't evil he's also not a good person. You cannot do what he did and keep that mantle. I doubt Anakin himself, would even categorize himself as being of the light. He has been tainted, not only by murdering the children, but also his betrayal of the Jedi and the lie he's willing to live. The reason I say he's not evil yet is only because this is a fantasy and I'm going along with George's intent. If I were to truly do a real-life comparison, he'd be convicted and sitting on death row right now. But again I'm not an Anakin fan (but I am a DV fan).
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DarthBreezy Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 10/22/02 9:21pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 10/22/02 9:23pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthBreezy
	but if another character or if someone in real-life were to commit these acts they would be outraged. It's called being a fan. Nooooooooooooo......... It's called separating fantasy from reality... I love horror movies... does that mean I will slice and dice people? REAL LIFE has NO bearing on how 'we fans' feel about... awwwwww forget it... rolls eyes it's like talking to the wind here...... -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/29640754/p1 Dear Tam - an AU post ROTJ story told through the eyes of a child "It's hard, being a Jedi..." - Pem Skywalker Anywhere Is Possible
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darthtj Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 10/22/02 9:23pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Evcen if you tried and cvonvcivcted Anakin in the united states, there would be no way he cvould be givcen death row. It wasn't premediated, and most likely would be manslaughter, so with as good lawyer he will be out in five years. Okus I refuse to put Anakin's ontext into real life. It is just silly. -----signature----- Honesty is such a lonely word. Everyone seems so untrue. Billy Joel Write that down
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Lady_Sami_J_Kenobi Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 10/23/02 12:46pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Okay, I guess that means that all the careful use of mythology in this series is so it wouldn't resonate with real life. People have myths to tell them how to behave in the real world. Joseph Campbell must be spinning in his grave. George Lucas specifically created these stories to create a myth for the 20th century because he found spirituality lacking amoung the young people of the 60's and 70's. That's according to a Bill Moyer interview that JediHPrunner posted several pages back in this thread. -----signature----- The path to the Dark Side isn't quick-it starts with "I Hate my hair" and ends with nuking Alderaan. Rm 204-The Ward. In support of Ambassador Cara Jade [face-hugs] What's logical in a world where the sun appears to set when it's the horizon rising?
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Obi-Can Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 10/23/02 3:03pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Nooooooooooooo......... It's called separating fantasy from reality... I love horror movies... does that mean I will slice and dice people? REAL LIFE has NO bearing on how 'we fans' feel about... awwwwww forget it... Darth-breezy (that's a windy sounding name), Wasn't that the point I was making? You call it fantasy, I said I was taking it in the spirit George intended as fantasy. If I were to compare it to real-life, Anakin would be convicted of murder. Seems like you wish to argue semantics. OR Perhaps you take offense to being called an Anakin fan? The amusing and ironic point of this is you are accusing Sami and I of confusing REAL LIFE with Fantasy, but you are the one that gets mad and disses us because we disagree with your opinion of a make believe movie. I don't think I'm the one confused , it's a movie I don't care that you see it differently than I. I don't take it serious enough to get mad about. rolls eyes it's like talking to the wind here...... Just call me Mariah
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darthtj Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 10/23/02 3:11pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	If we want to put a real life spin on this,. Anakin would have been convicted of manslaughter not murder, if he had a good lawyer(BE OUT IN 5 YEARS).Seriously this is now taking a silly spin, and this debate has jumped way off course. -----signature----- Honesty is such a lonely word. Everyone seems so untrue. Billy Joel Write that down
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RidingMyCarousel Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 10/23/02 3:13pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 10/23/02 7:18pm (2 edits total) Edited By: RidingMyCarousel
	I'm going to lock this but not delete it. This conversation deserves a fresh start. It's peaked past 5k posts, so, here's the new thread. -----signature----- The internet died in 2001. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIexG8179K8 *AoE Apprentice*
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