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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 1:49pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 1:50pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Undomiel
	[in some ways, that makes them infinitely more fortunate than other people in their age bracket, who seem to think life is endless because they have rarely (if at all) had to face the finality of death. there's something very permanent about death that most blind themselves to because it's too morbid to dwell on, and if you have no reason to, you won't dwell on it. but if death reaches out and threatens to take you or someone you love prematurely, before you've had the chance to say what you wanted to say, or do what you wanted to do, or be what you wanted to be, that changes your entire perspective. the most extreme example of this for most people is when they are personally threatened with death. this is evident in Padme's decision to just confess to Anakin. She thinks not only is her love, Anakin, going to die, but she believes her own life is about to end as well. That's enough to wake anybody up. I've been there, myself and know how extreme it is. You start using your time to do what you feel is most important in life. In both GL's case and mine, it was to positively effect as many people as possible, or to at least TRY.]
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IamZam Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 1:53pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	However, why do they go on to get married after they survive? What the h**ll were they thinking? Were they really that foolish to think that they can hide the marriage from the Jedi Council? I don't expect Anakin to resist marriage, but Padme should be intelligent enough to realize that they will get caught sooner or later. The smart thing to do is to just keep it as an affair instead of marriage because that would be a lesser offense than marriage in the eyes of the JC. Anakin is definitely going to get seriously reprimanded by Obi in EP III. I hope I don't get flamed too much for this post. Once she makes the pledge in the arena there is no going back. In the book its made a little clearer but she also wants the home and family like her sister has. Granted if she wanted the happy little house by the lake wiht two kids, Anakin isn't the most logical choice. But since when is love logical. They both love each other, possibly beyond normal love and romance. The idea of being apart is painful. Marriage is the next logical step. It is a sign of comitment and being in it for the long haul. "Long or short I vow to spend the rest of my life with you." Given the time and place and situation of the couple it is the next logical step. (Not to mention that George is a little too family friendly to have our favorite twins born out of wedlock). The marriage is also a way of showing that they are as commited to each other as they are to their respective careers. They both know if the truth comes out, they will both be in big trouble. And like HappyPlace said they have too much respect for each other to just shack up. And I imagine in the circles they are from, one doesn't just have affairs. Given the backgrounds of the two characters, marriage would be a requirement. Even if they can't shout thier love to the world, they can still show each other how much they love each other. The JC, will be forced to expel him, but are right now resistng bringing up the issue, for fear of putting him to a choice they won't lik., However, if it is in their face, that he has willfully and clearly broken his vows outright then they will be forced to do it. She would be out of office in major scandel as the Senator who not only corrupted a Jedi Padawan, but "the chosen one". If one of our politicians was caught in an affair with someone who was in a similiar position as Anakin, well you can about imagine it. "It would destroy both thier lives". They are young and in love and want to be together to the fullest extent that they can. And since the Clone wars are now fully underway there is no more certainty in their lives. Anakin will most likely be going off to fight and she will be very busy behind the scenes. They won't get to be home with each other on a regular basis, and this way they are showing thier devotion to each other, and its a very romantic thing to do. The cost of being together could mean their respective careers, the cost of not being together would be their souls. Since they will be forced to live a lie, not matter what, why not go all the way. And let the chips fall where they may. Jedi_Lyn - You are doing fine. I love reading your posts. Undomiel, I think most movie romances tend to focus only on the feely parts and tend to skip over the real life aspects of who leaves there hair pins all over the dressern and who can't put his robes in laundry shoot. Who has halitosis, or who is obsessed with make up, and other aspects only real people have to deal with. In real life romancing and getting to know someone lets you know if this person's faults are something you can live with, or if this person would soon have you on the roof shooting random strangers. Sadly in the name of good story telling, I dont' think we will ever see our beloved pair discussing things like dishes or laundry, or who left their toenails on the floor. -----signature----- "But my dreams They aren't as empty As my conscience seems to be.... No one knows what it's like to be the bad man, to be the sad man behind blue eyes....." The Who Anakin didn't just fall - he was pushed
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IamZam Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 2:12pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	_Z, what I meant is, even if some has persuited her, she would not possiblity even consider to feel for them. Coz, like you said, they don't see her as her-with-a-heart. I have such horrible training in writing, it is so tough for me to put any thought in words and mean what I think. So I am also practicing here. ITA here also. There may have been other's who tried, (we only hear about poor poor Palo.. ) But she wouldn't have given then a chance. I doubt they would have had anything she was intersted in, if they had even bothered trying. I get the feeling she kept most people at a professional distance. And only a very small select few, were allowed to get close enough to see Padme. Most would only get Amidala. Don't worry about your writing. You are doing fine. -----signature----- "But my dreams They aren't as empty As my conscience seems to be.... No one knows what it's like to be the bad man, to be the sad man behind blue eyes....." The Who Anakin didn't just fall - he was pushed
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Obi-Can Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 2:14pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Hi everyone, thanks for welcoming me. This is Connie, from now on to be known as Obi-Can. Anakin-Player, <<"Anakin acts like a spoiled brat in the beginning of the movie. However after discussing the love aspect of the movie on this thread and reading hundreds of posts,I am now convinced that Padme can fall for Anakin not just because of his looks.">> First off, I'm not looking for anyone to convince me something is in the movie that really wasn't. I either believed the romance or I didn't. Sounds like your first impression is the correct one. IMO people are adding nuances that just werent their, which is fine but it still means the romance in the movie could have been done better. <<"He did save her life several times. He saves her life right at the beginning of the movie with his lightsaber otherwise the centipede things would have killed her.">> It seems to me that Padme has had her life saved several times by many people. She is used to living her life on the edge, why would this very immature Jedi all the sudden Blow her away. She lives in dangerous times and used to men and women putting themselves in danger for her. Why didnt she fall in love with her guard or Obi-Wan they both saved her life as well and put themselves in danger for her. And even if that's what turns her on why wasnt it shown? The rescue didn't seem to effect her in anyway. Again your filling in blanks that just weren't in the movie. <<"She is "blown away" when she sees him again for the first time. I had to watch the movie several times to see her expression after the ladies on this thread pointed it out to me. I was a non-believer at first but I've been pretty much convinced of the love aspect of the movie.">> Again first impressions are usually more accurate, in my case 4 impressions. "Blown away" I dont think so, I see nothing of blown away. Their is a little flirting on her part in the transport but thats it. When they arrive at the palace she even discounts his opinions and reprimands him in front of the courtiers, indicating she sees him little more than a subordinate. Then in the next scene their kissing. It's just asking alot of the audience to jump from one place to another.
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DarthHomer Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 6/30/02 2:36pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	I saw another film where a disturbed young man used "stalker" techniques and bizarre soliloquies to win the love of a girl. It was called American Beauty. Anyone see it? -----signature----- Saga from best to worst: 1. ESB 2. ANH 3. ROTS 4. AOTC 5. ROTJ 6. TPM Check out http://imaginarycinema.com - my new website about fantasy, horror and sci-fi movies
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 2:58pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Obi-Can, First off, I'm not looking for anyone to convince me something is in the movie that really wasn't. Well you posted your grievances here, so we will attempt to counter those grievances. ...That is, if you don't mind. I either believed the romance or I didn't. Sounds like your first impression is the correct one. First impressions are rarely the most accurate. IMO people are adding nuances that just werent their, which is fine but it still means the romance in the movie could have been done better. You are expected, as a thinking human being to fill in the most obvious nuances. This is assumed in any work of fiction. But since you insist on airing the grievance that it isn't believable, observe the following list and take it as you will: 1] Padme and Anakin had already formed a friendship bond during TPM. He admired her, even referring to her as "an angel". He looked up to her and she comforted him as she would a younger brother. So the basis for a bonded friendship is already there. 2] He shows back up, ten years later, after having countless dreams about her. As the elevator ascends to their initial meeting in AotC, he's already sweating and edgy, anticipating how she will respond to the new, more mature version of lil Ani. Obi pokes fun at him and almost acts the part of a supportive friend who knows his buddy is about to meet the girl of his dreams... (In Anakin's case this is literal!). Little did Obi know, Anakin wasn't nervous because she was an important official or an attractive woman but because Anakin had been having very vivid remembrances or possibly future visions, of her for the last 10 years! 3] The elevator arrives and Padme meets him again. Almost in mid-sentence of her greetings to Obi she sees Anakin. "ANI?!" She's in shock and well, a little more than shock. Her eyes are the size of saucers. Realizing she's practically drooling on herself after seeing him and hearing his approving compliments, she panics and backpedals furiously, adding, "You'll always be that little boy..." She's in denial and trying to convince herself audibly that Anakin is still that little guy back on Tatooine, but it's already too late. Anakin is dismayed because she capped off the visual cues with an audible slap in the face. But this dismay is short-lived. 4] Later, she arranges for the cameras in her chambers to be blocked because she's uncomfortable with Anakin watching her sleeping. It's okay if anyone else does, just not Anakin. Now Anakin begins to realize Padme is acting irrationally because of his presence. The pieces are beginning to fit into place in his mind. He recounts Padme's odd behavior concerning the cameras to Obi and smiles when he says it. This recalcitrant behavior on her part, is music to his ears because it can only mean one thing-- he has indeed made a favorable impression on her and she's resisting it already. Considering this is only the second scene involving both of them, it's pretty obvious something is already going on in Padme's head! 5] He comments he knows everything that's going on her chamber, and senses the threat to Padme at almost the same time as Obi does. They rush in and Anakin, who's even quicker to the scene than Obi (Anakin's a padawan, Obi's the jedi. heh), kills both bugs before Obi realizes the hovering droid outside the window. He then bolts for the window and leaps out of (I loved that scene). We don't have to see Padme's reaction to this immediately because it's about to become painfully obvious! 6] Anakin is assigned to guard Padme. And as he watches her dismissing Jar Jar, you can already tell by her demeanor she has a wall of iron built around herself, several inches thick. Why is that? Typically if one of her guardians had saved her life, she would respond with kindness and words of gratitude as befitting her station. But she's avoiding this behavior towards Anakin. Why is that? We are about to find out! They get close to each other and he looks into her eyes approvingly. She immediately begins to squirm again because ??? He's saying "I love you, Padme," with his eyes and she's afraid, afraid, AFRAID, because she is already having feelings for him. She dodges him even more frantically now, even reprimanding him for looking at her. These scenarios get more frequent and intense, the longer the film goes on. She begins smiling at him, more and more often. Enjoying his company. Laughing at his humor. Admiring his skills and his physique. The only thing that is holding these two back is their individual circumstances and she knows this. Feeling she is the more mature and responsible in these regards, she let's him have it with both barrels even though she knows in her heart that she would like to be with him. You are watching the film from the eyes of a person who has evidently had either little to no success in romantic situations or has always had it so easy getting a mate that courting has not been a part of your vocabulary. That was your namesakes problem. He didn't want to court anyone. He was satisfied as a single man and lived out his days alone. Anakin was not satisfied with such a prospect and he had his heart fixated on Padme. Can you prove any of this wrong? I didn't even have to stretch the envelope. Everything I just mentioned is in the film, plain as day.
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anakin-player Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 3:04pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 3:24pm (1 edits total) Edited By: anakin-player
	Where are you getting the info that marriage specifically is the worst attachment a Jedi can have, as opposed to having a love affair (or any other kind of attachment outside the Order)? I'm just wondering if I missed something, like an explanation of the degrees of Jedi transgressions. As far as I can tell, they wouldn't look any more kindly on one relationship versus the other, so it wouldn't make much sense for Anakin to "just" date her, or whatever, to avoid their wrath when he's caught. I'm genuinely curious. ami-padme I'm not getting that info from any credible source. I was just making an assumption that getting married would be viewed as more of an offense than just a "fling." I mean its pretty logical to assume that getting married is a lot more serious than just having a secret relationship. -----signature----- “If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead & rotten, either write things worth reading, or do things worth the writing.” -Benjamin Franklin
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anakin-player Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 3:17pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Their is a little flirting on her part in the transport but thats it. When they arrive at the palace she even discounts his opinions and reprimands him in front of the courtiers, indicating she sees him little more than a subordinate. Obi-Can Looks like we have different interpretations of the scenes that were discussed above. That's ok because everybody interprets the movie differently. I think Undomiel's explains everything quite eloquently, so there is no need for me to interject. As for Padme's insult of Anakin in front of the queen, I still have no answer for that. I'll agree with you on this point that there was no need for her to discount him as "only a padawan." That was the only scene that I had a problem with because it made Anakin look like a fool. I have seen the movie six times and each time I notice something new. Natalie's acting is quite subtle, so it is hard for me to observe all of the things that Undomiel has listed until watching the movie several times. On my first viewing, I thought the love story didn't make any sense because the cheesy dialogue threw me off. That's probably why the critics like Roger Ebert dislike the movie because they didn't watch several times to gain more understanding into the love story. I have to stress that you have to watch the facial expressions of HC and NP because the dialogue doesn't measure up. -----signature----- “If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead & rotten, either write things worth reading, or do things worth the writing.” -Benjamin Franklin
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anakins_jedi_gurl253 Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 3:35pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Hey, I kinda like the love story sences,they need more of anakin and padma together. -----signature----- i love anakin he is my jedi knight my name is padama
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DarthBreezy Title: Retired Mos Everett Cantina Founder & JMPR Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 4:12pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Where are you getting the info that marriage specifically is the worst attachment a Jedi can have, as opposed to having a love affair (or any other kind of attachment outside the Order)? My take on this one.... If we are following the assumption that this is an era where love and marriage and what not are "courtly" then we must go on the assumption that Marriage, in this universe is a lifetime commitment... that's one hell of an attachment. From what I understand, love affairs and sexuality are just not an issue with the jedi.... (lots of meditation!). The children are taken from their parents when they are very young (one of the big problems with poor Ani was his age) and initiated into the ways and mind set from the start (distancing oneself from any attachments) although it doesn't always work..... -----signature----- http://boards.theforce.net/beyond_the_saga/b10477/29640754/p1 Dear Tam - an AU post ROTJ story told through the eyes of a child "It's hard, being a Jedi..." - Pem Skywalker Anywhere Is Possible
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 4:30pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 4:32pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Undomiel
	Anakin_Player, As for Padme's insult of Anakin in front of the queen, I still have no answer for that. I'll agree with you on this point that there was no need for her to discount him as "only a padawan." Perhaps this is just more of Padme's denial in progress. Like the "You'll always be that little boy..." comment she makes when she initially meets him. I also thought it was uncalled for but then I've had people in my past that I would've most likely said similar things about had the opportunity arisen to do so. Whether or not the impetus would be because I was instantly infatuated and trying to hide it, or simply having trouble separating the past from the present, is another story altogether. Personally, I wish she hadn't said it. But GL's the screenwriter and we, well, we are just his dorky fans. [Edit: Classy fans? Brilliant fans? ]
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Jedi_Lyn Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 4:37pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 4:39pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Jedi_Lyn
	I_Z and Undomiel, I like both of your posts about marriage. the romance in ATOC has its extremes and marriage is one of them. I SHOULD be able to appreciate it rather than being skeptical. It is just my natural way of thinking of marriage that gets in the way. Obi-Can, people always watch the movie with their own toolkits. Interpretations can be very different. but sometimes discussion can give you a good prospect of how it CAN be in other people's mind. I assure you it is a pleasant experience, to think differently once or twice. Just watched 'Once upon a time in America'. Gee robert de niro is quoting song of songs. He did it in such a mature way. I felt so different. I mean we do get used to tough looking, mature people saying beautiful things but we hate beautiful younglings saying beautiful things. 'Coz it makes me uncomfortable' <ahem> -----signature----- What was silent is now in retreat Nothing was to be marked from the beginning Except the acknowledge
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Youngling Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 4:46pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	If you want to talk subtlety in acting, just watch Christensen's expression as Lucas holds the camera on his face just before the first kiss: Padme raises her gaze to Anakin as he touches her back reverently. He gives her a slight smile that slowly evolves into a serious smoulder. -----signature----- "Yes, Master."
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Obi-Can Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 4:56pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Undomiel, Well here is my response, let the fun begin…. You are expected, as a thinking human being to fill in the most obvious nuances. This is assumed in any work of fiction. But since you insist on airing the grievance that it isn't believable, observe the following list and take it as you will: Greivances? I thought this was a discussion regarding the Love Story. Thats what I thought we were having. Is this the wrong place to air my opinion? Let me know maybe I'm in the wrong place. 1] Padme and Anakin had already formed a friendship bond during TPM. He admired her, even referring to her as "an angel". He looked up to her and she comforted him as she would a younger brother. So the basis for a bonded friendship is already there. Don’t see this. Bonded as in the alternate universe bonding? Never mentioned in the movie ever. If they were bonded, Padme had the opportunity and ability to contact Anakin at anytime in the subsequent 10 years. Which she never did. 2] He shows back up, ten years later, after having countless dreams about her. As the elevator ascends to their initial meeting in AotC, he's already sweating and edgy, anticipating how she will respond to the new, more mature version of lil Ani. Obi pokes fun at him and almost acts the part of a supportive friend who knows his buddy is about to meet the girl of his dreams... (In Anakin's case this is literal!). Little did Obi know, Anakin wasn't nervous because she was an important official or an attractive woman but because Anakin had been having very vivid remembrances or possibly future visions, of her for the last 10 years! 3] The elevator arrives and Padme meets him again. Almost in mid-sentence of her greetings to Obi she sees Anakin. "ANI?!" She's in shock and well, a little more than shock. Her eyes are the size of saucers. Realizing she's practically drooling on herself after seeing him and hearing his approving compliments, she panics and backpedals furiously, adding, "You'll always be that little boy..." She's in denial and trying to convince herself audibly that Anakin is still that little guy back on Tatooine, but it's already too late. Anakin is dismayed because she capped off the visual cues with an audible slap in the face. But this dismay is short-lived. Boy must be nice to be able to read a fictional characters mind like this. “She’s in denial” Filling in blanks is one thing, but dissecting what she’s thinking is going a little bit too far. Wouldn’t it be more likely that she ,like all of us have experienced before, is shocked to see that the little boy has grown up. Just as the dialogue and her body language indicates. 4] Later, she arranges for the cameras in her chambers to be blocked because she's uncomfortable with Anakin watching her sleeping. It's okay if anyone else does, just not Anakin. Now Anakin begins to realize Padme is acting irrationally because of his presence. The pieces are beginning to fit into place in his mind. He recounts Padme's odd behavior concerning the cameras to Obi and smiles when he says it. This recalcitrant behavior on her part, is music to his ears because it can only mean one thing-- he has indeed made a favorable impression on her and she's resisting it already. Considering this is only the second scene involving both of them, it's pretty obvious something is already going on in Padme's head!. How do you know she doesn’t mind if anyone else watches her? Further more if that’s true it would seem to show that his inappropriate behavior makes her uneasy. And who can blame her for that, he does act overly assertive towards her. I don’t see that as irrational, I think its quite understandable. I think its pretty obvious, again as the dialogue indicates that he makes her uncomfortable. 5] He comments he knows everything that's going on her chamber, and senses the threat to Padme at almost the same time as Obi does. They rush in and Anakin, who's even quicker to the scene than Obi (Anakin's a padawan, Obi's the jedi. heh), kills both bugs before Obi realizes the hovering droid outside the window. He then bolts for the window and leaps out of (I loved that scene). We don't have to see Padme's reaction to this immediately because it's about to become painfully obvious! Immediate and painfully obvious? Where? The next scene she’s packing. She doesn’t even thank him. Its never mentioned again. Which is quite rude really. She should thank both Anakin and Obi-Wan. 6] Anakin is assigned to guard Padme. And as he watches her dismissing Jar Jar, you can already tell by her demeanor she has a wall of iron built around herself, several inches thick. Why is that? Typically if one of her guardians had saved her life, she would respond with kindness and words of gratitude as befitting her station. But she's avoiding this behavior towards Anakin. Why is that? We are about to find out! They get close to each other and he looks into her eyes approvingly. She immediately begins to squirm again because ??? He's saying "I love you, Padme," with his eyes and she's afraid, afraid, AFRAID, because she is already having feelings for him. She dodges him even more frantically now, even reprimanding him for looking at her. “She has a wall of iron built around herself, several inches thick”. I couldn’t tell that at all. She seemed open and friendly. Even in the bedroom while she’s packing, she only becomes uncomfortable when he starts that overly passionate assertive behavior towards her. Its only once they get on the transport that you start to see cracks in her demeanor. Now I will grant you that during this time inroads could have been made in their relationship. However, since Anakin’s behavior up to this point has been consistently over the top, I would fill in this gap (as a thinking person) that there would have been more of the same. Especially since when they arrive on Naboo she’s friendly but still maintaining the hands off attitude. Remember she puts him in his place in front of the queen and the other courtiers. Showing that she thinks that he’s beneath her in authority and reasoning abilities. Where’s the respect. If that had been Obi-Wan or Mace, that would’nt have happened. These scenarios get more frequent and intense, the longer the film goes on. She begins smiling at him, more and more often. Enjoying his company. Laughing at his humor. Admiring his skills and his physique. The only thing that is holding these two back is their individual circumstances and she knows this. Feeling she is the more mature and responsible in these regards, she let's him have it with both barrels even though she knows in her heart that she would like to be with him. I admit that on the lake their is a more romantic tilt to their relationship. Again I believe she’s attracted to him, but being attracted and falling in love are two very different things. They were only together a few days (I think). I just don’t buy that a woman like Padme would throw caution to the wind for a man like Anakin. At the best he’s immature and going through a difficult time in his development. At the worst he’s got BIG issues with anger, ego and authority. Other than looks and force abilities what does he have to offer her. He doesn’t seem overly intelligent or honorable. His explanation of his political theory is child-like, high school level. She is so far beyond him in all things. The main ingredient required for love, RESPECT is impossible. It is possible she could feel maternally towards him. However I really didn’t see much of that. The Anakin presented in the movie is disappointing. Like I said in my first post, I wanted an Anakin that I could like. I wanted to be extremely sad that he turned. I wanted it to be a tragedy. However, all I feel at this point is, its no wonder. What a whiny spoiled brat. I thought the whole character of Anakin was a miss. You are watching the film from the eyes of a person who has evidently had either little to no success in romantic situations or has always had it so easy getting a mate that courting has not been a part of your vocabulary. That was your namesakes problem. He didn't want to court anyone. He was satisfied as a single man and lived out his days alone. Anakin was not satisfied with such a prospect and he had his heart fixated on Padme. Now you’re getting personal. That’s okay I can take it. I assure you I’ve had plenty of romance/courting. And having overly enthusiastic admirers is not romantic, its scary and irritating. I don’t blame Anakin for choosing Padme over the JedI. I think it is probably what most normal people would do. I think it shows his lack of commitment to the JedI and to their philosophical edicts. He’s a non-believer. Also just want to make it clear, this isn’t a case of Obi-Wan is better than Anakin. It’s only that I thought the romance didn’t work, specifically that I didn’t believe Padme was in love with Anakin. Now I do believe Anakin was in love (obsessed) with Padme, but not the other way around. Though the confession scene was believable, acting wise anyway. Can you prove any of this wrong? I didn't even have to stretch the envelope. Everything I just mentioned is in the film, plain as day. No more than you can prove any of your opinions. Opinions are subjective, they cannot be proven and no amount of your interpretations of scenes is going to change my mind. I saw what I saw, just as you saw what you saw. I do argue with your plain as day. It obviously wasn’t so plain, as indicated by the critics, it was missed by a lot of people.
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Lukecash Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 6/30/02 5:08pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Undomiel As Sigmumd Frued once said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." You are expected, as a thinking human being to fill in the most obvious nuances. This is assumed in any work of fiction. This is true...if we would get[/b] those obvious nuances.(Isn' and obvious nuances an oxymoron? How can something be ovbvious AND nuance?) I think the main complaint is that the audience didn't even get the little nueances. Either that or they are so small a majority just skipped over them. 5] He comments he knows everything that's going on her chamber, and senses the threat to Padme at almost the same time as Obi does. They rush in and Anakin, who's even quicker to the scene than Obi (Anakin's a padawan, Obi's the jedi. heh), kills both bugs before Obi realizes the hovering droid outside the window. He then bolts for the window and leaps out of (I loved that scene). [i]We don't have to see Padme's reaction to this immediately because it's about to become painfully obvious! This is where I dissagree with you strongly. The audience deserves a reward or at the very least a clue of how Anakins rescue actually affects Padme. It is our payoff. Again, Anakin, the character doesn't need to know...but Padme needs to show a reaction to the event. An amazed reaction would have been a payoff and a clue for the audience who only knows that Padme sees Anakin as a little boy. 3] The elevator arrives and Padme meets him again. Almost in mid-sentence of her greetings to Obi she sees Anakin. "ANI?!" She's in shock and well, a little more than shock. Her eyes are the size of saucers. Realizing she's practically drooling on herself after seeing him and hearing his approving compliments, she panics and backpedals furiously, adding, "You'll always be that little boy..." She's in denial and trying to convince herself audibly that Anakin is still that little guy back on Tatooine, but it's already too late. Anakin is dismayed because she capped off the visual cues with an audible slap in the face. But this dismay is short-lived. The problem I have with this interpetation is this- Yes she is amazed. But why wouldn't she? The kid went from a 9 year old little boy to a 6 food tall poster boy for The Jedi Youth Core. Eyes widen for many reasons- Surprise is one of them. It wasn't neccisarly a sexual turn on. Her voice was not one of sexual astonishment, it was one of when an old friend is surprsied that a pal has drastically change. When you watch that scene when Anakin fumbles pick up line- Captian Tankas expression "Oh smooth moves kid, smooth like sandpaper" is the best one in the scene. Padme isn't whiping the drool off her chin- her line is a distinctive shut down mechansim. And turns away. Now the body launguage is the most important thing. When Gene Siskel interviewed Meryl Streep about "The Bridges of Madison County" He notec when her character first met Clint Eastwood- as she turned around she brushed off her behind. Siskel asked, "Did she do this because she was sexually excited and had to touch herself?" Meryl Streep looked at him like an idiot and responded, "No, when a woman finds a man attractive-conciously or unconciously, she tries to present or show off the shape her rear in a sexual way." Not that I was looking for that particular manuever- but I was looking for a visual clue that her body was saying- "Oh my god, I just got hit on by a hunk" This could have been simple as checking her hair in place, brushing her dress off... SOMETHING. But there was Nothing that the audience to pick up on. I_Z As far as Anakins flowery speech...it is not that I don't dig the courtly style of speech. I thought it was most appropriate for the movie. And actually- If Han and Leia are the "40's banter style of lovers" Then mother and father should be a lot more...shall we say "romantic" My main thing is that ANY time a guy uses any sort of emotion or admittance of feeling on his part- it comes to no good. No matter what time period. It's just safer to let the woman make the first move on love. on the marriage One of the reasons why so many people had a problem with the romance- is because they jump to marriage before an actual romance. Our 21st century brain says...hey you know, that's not good. George Lucas, on the other hand, equates marriage with true love. If you truelly love someone, then you committ to them forever. Old fashion- very much so. But then this is an Old-fashion fairy tale. On Mary Jane Okay, in all fairness Mary Jane only had one boyfriend at a time. And each time she switch, she went went a step up. And each time she did dump a boyfriend-she had absolutely a good reason too. -----signature----- Boss Nass and Captian Tarpalis were brave, compentent warriors.- my words that will alway haunt me. You were right about one thing master, the negotiations were short"- ob-wani To expect Star Wars to be anything but itself is courting doom-me being wise
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