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anakin-player Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 5:29pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 5:34pm (1 edits total) Edited By: anakin-player
	Obi-Can I agree let the fun begin!!! Finally this is not a mutual admiration society anymore. How do you know she doesn’t mind if anyone else watches her? Further more if that’s true it would seem to show that his inappropriate behavior makes her uneasy. And who can blame her for that, he does act overly assertive towards her. I don’t see that as irrational, I think its quite understandable. I think its pretty obvious, again as the dialogue indicates that he makes her uncomfortable. No, I disagree because Anakin does not act that assertive around her before she blocks the camera. He basically gave her one complement before she goes to sleep in her room. I didn't feel that his behavior was inappropriate enough for her to cover the cameras. I'm assuming that she feels some sexual tension. Remember this is the first part of the movie before she says "it makes me uncomfortable." He really didn't spend much time with her before she covers the cameras. Immediate and painfully obvious? Where? The next scene she’s packing. She doesn’t even thank him. Its never mentioned again. Which is quite rude really. She should thank both Anakin and Obi-Wan. Ok, I agree with this. I also thought it was quite rude for Padme not to thank Anakin and Obi-Wan for risking their lives to save her. I mean Obi leaped out of a window while Anakin jumped in the air with his lightsaber to kill those centipede bug things. A little more appreciation on the part of Padme would have been not only appropriate but expected. She only goes on to insult Anakin in front of the queen instead of praising him for saving her life. Can you tell that I'm still not over the fact that Padme insults Anakin? -----signature----- “If you would not be forgotten, as soon as you are dead & rotten, either write things worth reading, or do things worth the writing.” -Benjamin Franklin
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IamZam Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 5:37pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	As far as Anakins flowery speech...it is not that I don't dig the courtly style of speech. I thought it was most appropriate for the movie. And actually- If Han and Leia are the "40's banter style of lovers" Then mother and father should be a lot more...shall we say "romantic" Picks self up off the floor... no arguement on that one.. checks temperature to make sure she isn't hallucinating.. My main thing is that ANY time a guy uses any sort of emotion or admittance of feeling on his part- it comes to no good. No matter what time period. It's just safer to let the woman make the first move on love. Now somehow that just doesnt' seem fair to me. Why should women have to do all the work. Sounds to me like somebody's been hurt in the past. (Hey many of us have been..god knows my love life is nothing to be proud of. Wouldn't make a very good movie, though it might make it as a Lifetime special ) As for the opening scene where they first see each other. Watch Natalie, she is clearly more than just suprised that the cute little boy she last saw is now in prime hunka hunka territory. She is clearly attracted to him. When ever the camera cuts to her, her eyes are totally glued to him. When she first notices him, even Obi Wan notices this attraction. (Watch Ewan's face, there is a breif wonderful, umm am I intruding here, look on his face. ) Both Obi Wan and Jar Jar picked up that she was very glad to see them (specifically Anakin). And it wasn't Obi Wan she was happy to see. Remember she didn't want protection, but when she saw Anakin she was very happy. As for the first kiss scene if you watch they ar both very much enamoured of each other. She temporarily forgets her rationality, and is caught up in the moment. He is looking directly in her eyes for a queue as to rather or not to procede. She is totally looking at him, his lips indicating yes please. And as their movie kisses go it is actually rather pationate (judging only against other kisses in THIS movie). Only when here head starts talking again does she snap back and sceech the brakes on. Anakin is lost because her actions all say she is interested, but she keeps saying otherwise. As for the scene in the Queens chambers my take is that even though he is a Jedi, Naboo is very matriarchal society in many ways, and she being back in the chambers was slipping into Queen mode. The fact that they asked him instead of her, well she wasn't used to that either, and to over compensate less they notice something she had to put him down. (or felt she did). Notice when they are arguing, the others are looking at them very strangely.. Obi-Can, You are more than free to have opposing opinions in here. You aren't alone, but as this is a discussion forum there will obviously be those of us who see it differently. We all view movies thru lens tinted by our past experiences as well as our own preferences. If we talked long enough we would probably find movies that you loved, that I thought the opposite of. So you know what you say, we will counter and you will counter back. That's what makes it so much fun. Obviously we all liked the movie and have a strong opinion, or we wouldn't be here talking about it. What do I think she saw in Anakin. She saw a wounded person, who may have come off to some as a spoiled brat, but who was really hurting inside. A brave young man, who saw her as a woman, not as a politician, or someone who could do favors for him. She saw someone who she formed an instant connection with the first time they met over 10 years ago, and while they hadn't connected in those last 10 years the bond (not a literal bond, more of an emotional clicking, that transends what I can explain) has not disappeared but is quickly maturing in to something else. She she's someone she is quite comfortable talking to about personal things, a young (and some say *cough cough ahem* good looking **ahem) man, who needs her as much as she needs him. Where she is held back emotionally, he is overly emotional. She see's someone who makes her feel complete, makes her feel wonderful and makes her heart (and hormones) go zoom zoom. I fell for the love story the first time I saw the movie, but I couln't explain it until I seen it a few more times. All of the signs and queues are there, but Natalie is very understated and controlled as Amidala and you have to watch to see the signs and cues. As to what she does to show that she is intersested, an act like an interested woman, well, she jokes (flirts) on the transport, looks directly in to his eyes when they are talking on the transport, hanging on everything he is saying, she dresses very very feminily, is actutely aware of how he is looking at her, and later is also very much checking him out, and in the fireplace scene her actions and facial expressions are so totally in contrast to her words, she looks ready to fall apart. Now who cares to rip me apart ?:\| -----signature----- "But my dreams They aren't as empty As my conscience seems to be.... No one knows what it's like to be the bad man, to be the sad man behind blue eyes....." The Who Anakin didn't just fall - he was pushed
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jedi-ES Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 5:37pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	I would like to make a few comments about Obi-Can's observations to this point. First, we do not know what the training regimen is for Jedi padawans, but I would guess that the amount of dedication and commitment necessary to be successful would reqire litte to no involvement in the outside world. I think that Padme would have had no opportunity to contact Anakin while he is in training. Remember what Anakin told the Queen when he visited her chambers on Coruscant before her speech: "I am going to the jedi temple to begin my training, I think. I wanted to say goodbye because I may not see her again." Seems to me there is obvious requirements of seclusion within Jedi training. Second, I think that there is strong bond created betweeen Padme and Anakin in TPM. Surely, it is friendship only, but they do care about eachother. Third, Padme has had to live her whole life with security. It seems to me a stretch that in all of those times, she would cover up the cameras while she slept because it bothered her. It seems more believable to me that because she is so dedicated to her duty, she would accept it as part of the deal; but because it is now Anakin watching her, she is much more self-conscious than ever before. In regards to the low opinion of Anakin, please excuse me for I am a man and wouldn't know, but I would think that talent is very attractive to a female. There is no doubt as to Anakin's abilities and future potential. Combine that with his confidence, as Jack Palance says is "very sexy, don't you think", his powerful aura and his good looks, and you have a very attractive package to a female. Mostly how he acts in the beginning is not necessarily whininess to me but rather frustration that he is capable of so much more and is being artificially held back. Hell, think about what Palpatine is saying to Anakin behind Obi-Wan's back, who wouldn't get an ego with those statements. Fourthly, in terms of him not being particularly honorable, I can understand where you are coming from in terms of following the strict code of the Jedi, but I think that his honor is shown by his dedication to her and his willingness to sacrifice everything for her. Fifthly, his political theory is a direct influence of Obi-Wan who clearly states his opinions of the honor of the senators and politicians in general. And aren't we all a little idealistic when we are younger. Perhaps you mean his actual political beliefs, seemingly to be on the dictatorship side. I would have to admit there are many people out there who are smart, who would say that leadership by only the wise could work. Isn't that what Plato wrote? Finally, and I would ask from all out there who thinks that Anakin is a spoiled brat: what makes him a spoiled brat? He was born and raised a slave till he was ten, and then has gone through intense jedi training, where he has no possesions and is life is dedicated to service. From how he acts in the beginning, I would just reinforce what I wrote above, that he knows how powerful he is, Qui-Gon told the Jedi Council in front of Anakin that he thinks that he is the Chosen One, and he feels that he is being artificially kept back by Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedi. -----signature----- "I write for the youth of my generation, the critics of the next, and the schoolmasters of ever afterward." "God gives each his due at the time allotted." THE Trojan Horse. Petition! http://www.ipetitions.com/campaigns/jedistyletraining
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 5:39pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Obi-Can, Well here is my response, let the fun begin…. I'm a freakin' puppet master [either that or somethings are just too tempting to pass up]. Cruise Control, indeed. Greivances? I thought this was a discussion regarding the Love Story. Thats what I thought we were having. Is this the wrong place to air my opinion? Let me know maybe I'm in the wrong place. My good woman/man, this is indeed a discussion! But you invited opposing opinions, whilst simultaneously stating you didn't require anyone else's opinion to begin with by simply dropping your own in such an overt fashion. You must realize, being a puppet master yourself, that such words are delightfully daring and will most likely receive an immediate [if not sooner], reprisal. You are to be commended for your skill with the language, but remember it takes two to tango. You looked lonely. Don’t see this. Bonded as in the alternate universe bonding? Blink. Why of course, in an alternate universe "bonding". I don't do multidimensions anymore but could be convinced for the price of a kind word and a friendly hug. Wouldn’t it be more likely that she ,like all of us have experienced before, is shocked to see that the little boy has grown up. Just as the dialogue and her body language indicates. Watch it again. That's not what her body language indicates. How do you know she doesn’t mind if anyone else watches her? Obi Wan's response. He thinks it's odd too. Considering she requires full time protection -- et.al. bodyguards, it is not unusual for her to have someone watching her sleeping chamber. Further more if that’s true it would seem to show that his inappropriate behavior makes her uneasy. Ah but this is the next EVENT between them following their introduction. There have been no chances for him to behave inappropriately... yet. Immediate and painfully obvious? Where? The very next scene! She's ironed herself against him for saving her life. That is not how she would typically act towards someone that didn't already have her tail feathers ruffled. The next scene she’s packing. She doesn’t even thank him. EXACTLY! “She has a wall of iron built around herself, several inches thick”. It's in her responses and the lack thereof. Her quick, snappy movements. Her inability to even thank him for his rescue of her because she's afraid of him and her own feelings. She seemed open and friendly. Even in the bedroom while she’s packing, Yes, as long as she can keep the conversation strictly to the mother/son status, she's fine. But the moment he begins doing things that impress her or allow her to see he is impressed with her, she starts'ta squirming. she only becomes uncomfortable when he starts that overly passionate assertive behavior towards her. Define overly passionate. However, since Anakin’s behavior up to this point has been consistently over the top, You must ask yourself, why she would agree and even seem somewhat satisfied with Anakin as her personal guard to and on Naboo? The reason it doesn't make sense to you is because she's freakin out! She's having a war with herself -- her heart says oh yes and her mind says oh no. Remember she puts him in his place in front of the queen and the other courtiers. Showing that she thinks that he’s beneath her in authority and reasoning abilities. Yeppers. I saw that. Nasty scene. I didn't like it either. But as I said before, this may be just more of the same denial she was in from the very beginning. Where’s the respect. If that had been Obi-Wan or Mace, that would’nt have happened. LOL! EXACTLY! I just don’t buy that a woman like Padme would throw caution to the wind for a man like Anakin. At the best he’s immature and going through a difficult time in his development. At the worst he’s got BIG issues with anger, ego and authority. I've met many people like him, from all age groups. They do nothing half way. It isn't in the nature to be kinda angry. Or kinda happy. Polar personalities. Very intense. Live deeply, love deeply, and hate deeply. Other than looks and force abilities what does he have to offer her. He doesn’t seem overly intelligent or honorable. Ah but he could've at any time, become a mauling maniac, but held her in high enough regard not to attempt such a thing. He does have honor where it comes to her. His explanation of his political theory is child-like, high school level. Fascist? Dicatorial? A little Palpatine-esque? Yes, well he is Vader in the making, after all. She is so far beyond him in all things. This would depend entirely on your view of life. Should it be lived inside a vacuum or with every fiber of your being. Should it be approached clinically or with passion. This are Anakin's two options because he is a decidedly polar personality. He can either be very good or very bad. There is no gray areas for him. The main ingredient required for love, RESPECT is impossible. For woman the main ingredient is love. For men the main ingredient is adoration. The Anakin presented in the movie is disappointing. Not for me! That's Vader in the making! The man that goes around force choking the life out of his own men because they made one mistake. Like I said in my first post, I wanted an Anakin that I could like. You're not supposed to like him. You're supposed to feel sympathy or empathy for him because his entire life is one long emotional rollercoaster. I wanted it to be a tragedy. If you don't feel the tragedy when he turns, you're dead already. Now you’re getting personal. tugging invisible strings What of it? That’s okay I can take it. I had a feeling... I assure you I’ve had plenty of romance/courting. Romance, perhaps. But your interpretation of romance may vary greatly from someone like Anakin who is just gonna tell it like it is. Which he does. And having overly enthusiastic admirers is not romantic, its scary and irritating. Depends on if you happen to feel the same way. I think it shows his lack of commitment to the JedI and to their philosophical edicts. He's not a jedi, in my opinion. He's "The Chosen One." Also just want to make it clear, this isn’t a case of Obi-Wan is better than Anakin. Naturally Obi is in better control of himself! But when it comes to romance, this isn't necessarily the more correct or rational approach, and especially when it comes to a person like Padme, who, if you think about it, was like trying to climb Mt. Everest in your underwear.....and nothing else. No more than you can prove any of your opinions. Opinions are subjective, they cannot be proven and no amount of your interpretations of scenes is going to change my mind. Good for you! Just go back and watch it again.
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IamZam Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 5:48pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	It would be very unlikely they would keep in contact. She was busy as Queen and later as Senator. But more importantly H e being in training as a Jedi would have been very busy indeed, and I am pretty sure contacting anyone on the outside would have been forbidden. I mean if he couldn' have contact with his mom, they sure as heck arent' going to let him contact his crush. He would have had to show that he was totally dedicated to his Jedi training, and would most likely have more or less sequestered except for missions with Obi-Wan who sure as heck wouldn't encourage any contact. He is such the perfect dedicated Jedi that he cant' even see the Jedi order is falling apart. -----signature----- "But my dreams They aren't as empty As my conscience seems to be.... No one knows what it's like to be the bad man, to be the sad man behind blue eyes....." The Who Anakin didn't just fall - he was pushed
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Obi-Can Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 5:53pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Anakin-Player, No, I disagree because Anakin does not act that assertive around her before she blocks the camera. He basically gave her one complement before she goes to sleep in her room. I didn't feel that his behavior was inappropriate enough for her to cover the cameras. I'm assuming that she feels some sexual tension. Remember this is the first part of the movie before she says "it makes me uncomfortable." He really didn;t spend much time with her before she covers the cameras. I think she feels his sexual tension/interest. He makes it pretty obvious, with whatever corny syrupy line he used on her. She covered the camera's because she didn't trust him not to ogle her from afar. She is already uncomfortable with him. And perhaps if we are filling in the blanks, he had been doing some more leering/ pursueing during the rest of the evening before she retired. Remember they had some conversation together, because Obi-Wan accuses him of setting a trap. So I'm assuming that he and Padme discussed her covering the cameras.
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Alderaan21 Registered: Jul '98	Date Posted: 6/30/02 6:01pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 6:06pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Alderaan21
	(Padma? Isn't that a Harry Potter character? But I do agree jedi_gurl, I certainly wouldn't have minded more A/P stuff. ) First off, I just want to say I've very much enjoyed reading the posts in this thread-- all of them, even though I do tend to side with the majority here. It's been educational and though I already liked the romance, like anakin-player I have gotten a deeper appreciation of what is there. It's great to see a prolonged intelligent discussion on this instead of having it deteriorate into a flame war. I get the feeling she kept most people at a professional distance. And only a very small select few, were allowed to get close enough to see Padme. Most would only get Amidala. Which makes me appreciate the Padmé/Anakin relationship all the more: Anakin was able to see that person underneath, and moreso within a few short days, even as a young boy, managed to become quite close with that so-rarely-shown person. Obviously there was something special about this boy that encouraged that person to show. It's one of the big reasons I don't consider their falling in love in AOTC to be unbelievable. Youngling: that entire bit is one of the reasons the first kiss is one of my very favorite scenes in the film. And does he ever smoulder well... fans self Don’t see this. Bonded as in the alternate universe bonding? Never mentioned in the movie ever. Bonded as in they had a friendship-- yes, absolutely; undeniably, they were friends in TPM. 'My caring for you will remain'? Given that Padmé/Amidala's the type that's learned to keep a fairly rigid reign on expressing emotions, I doubt this was a throwaway line, and certainly not a lie-- and we can see from the way they acted in TPM that they were close even then. Obviously that Padmé and Anakin started out as friends, and that friendship was an important factor in their future relationship. Or else showing those scenes in TPM had absolutely zero point. If they were bonded, Padme had the opportunity and ability to contact Anakin at anytime in the subsequent 10 years. Which she never did. A little thing called "Attachment is forbidden." And even if she did try, certainly the Jedi would not have encouraged an attachment between the two of them. We've seen how adversely an emotional attachment affects a Jedi's conduct and feelings. Anakin had enough attachments for them to deal with already without throwing another into the mix. It obviously wasn’t so plain, as indicated by the critics, it was missed by a lot of people. Especially in the case of SW movies, there's a heck of a lot woven in that it's impossible to grasp all of by seeing the films only once-- which is what 'a lot of people', including critics, do. For me at least, seeing it again and digging out the details is a big part of what makes these movies enjoyable. I all but thought the love story sucked the first time I saw it, because honestly, it does go by fast, especially the first time around when you're trying to absorb everything else that's going on in the film, and I didn't notice the little details which made the love story more enjoyable for me in later viewings. Now, while I don't find it flawless (the transition between scenes I still find semi-awkward at times and I do wish some mention had been made of the japor necklace), I love it. I would ask from all out there who thinks that Anakin is a spoiled brat: what makes him a spoiled brat? If I'd been abruptly taken from the only life and comfort I'd ever known at a young age and all but thrown into a life where I have to pretend that life never happened; under the caretaking of someone who deep down doesn't entirely trust me, hardly shows the appreciation and seldom openly comforts me like my mother did; and add that mix with suddenly being back in the presence of the person I've been deeply in love with since childhood-- heck, my emotions wouldn't exactly be flowing cool and straight, either. -----signature----- The Fandom Heretic otherwise known as Lady Aeryn: http://ladyaeryn.livejournal.com/ The Moons of Iego: A/P - Thumbing our noses at happily-ever-after since 1999! http://moonsofiego.thepensieve.net/
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 6:52pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Luke_Cash, As Sigmumd Frued once said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." And of course, he's right. But we aren't talking about Sigmund Freud. We are talking about Anakin. Think of the differences between the two men!
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Obi-Can Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 7:09pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Alderaan-21, A little thing called "Attachment is forbidden." And even if she did try, certainly the Jedi would not have encouraged an attachment between the two of them. We've seen how adversely an emotional attachment affects a Jedi's conduct and feelings. Anakin had enough attachments for them to deal with already without throwing another into the mix. Now, if we apply alt universe to this (which I'm not sure is the right thing to do here) apprentices travel the galaxy and make many friends and are allowed to communicate with them. I believe that friendships are allowed and encouraged, Dex is a prime example of this. Therefore, Padme would have been allowed to send a letter and keep in touch, especially considering she's leader of a world. Alot of you have made much ado about woven subtlties that arent immediatly obvious to the common folk. Like me. This isn't Shakespeare here guys, it's StarWars, not known for great acting or great dialogue. To believe that one must perform intensive Psychological profiling on the characters to truly appreciate the love story, is ridiculous. I believe that we are meant to accept that Padme and Anakin love each other madly deeply etc... But, I'm sorry its not in the movie. The love story fails to take the first time and 2nd time viewer their. Now if I wanted to see this stuff I guess I could read alot into it, but I should'nt have to. I would ask from all out there who thinks that Anakin is a spoiled brat: what makes him a spoiled brat? You think we should feel sorry for him because he's a slave. I disagree his life as a slave didnt seem that difficult. He lived with a loving mother, was fed, had a clean house to live in and was able to work at something he loved. He also had time to play with his friends. Granted no one wants to be a slave, its humiliating and dehumanizing. Now look at the life of a Jedi initiate. They are taken from their parents at 1 or 2 and raised by creche masters (like in an orphanage). Their whole life is dedicated to training and education. They are brainwashed to believe unquestioningly in the Jedi code. From the age of 8 on they compete daily to try and attract a master before the age of 13, if they fail they are kicked out of Jedi training. Talk about insecurity. If they are lucky enough to get a master, then the really intense training starts. This includes going on missions throughout the galaxy with their masters. Anakin is spoiled because he is unappreciative of both the sacrifice his mother made and the training and love he receives from Obi-Wan. Disrespect for the Jedi philosophy and his mentor. He says the words, "he is like a father to me", but his actions show the opposite. He believes totally in his own myth of the "Chosen ONe" and feels for that reason that the Jedi code doesn't apply to him. Lack of humility, kindness, selflessnes. How can a boy that was raised in the Jedi temple for 10 years be so un-jedi like. It's like he learned nothing. It really is sad, he'd been better off staying on Tatooine as a slave. If I'd been abruptly taken from the only life and comfort I'd ever known at a young age and all but thrown into a life where I have to pretend that life never happened; under the caretaking of someone who deep down doesn't entirely trust me, hardly shows the appreciation and seldom openly comforts me like my mother did; and add that mix with suddenly being back in the presence of the person I've been deeply in love with since childhood-- heck, my emotions wouldn't exactly be flowing cool and straight, either. Alderaan-21, Remember, Anakin chose this. He wasn't forced into this life. His mother also chose. Since alot of you are applying Midevil ideology to this story (which I totally disagree with)this would be the equivalent of the page being given a chance to apprentice under a knight, so someday he could be a knight himself and have a better life. It's a great honor and privilege. However, Anakin is ungrateful for all the opportunities and gifts given to him. I see him expecting/demanding the training, acceptance of his superiority and right to power. He sees it as his Due because he is the "Chosen One". The best thing I can say about Anakin is he's brave and passionate. However, the passionate part probably isnt good thing for Jedi to be.
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Jedi_Lyn Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 7:10pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Anakin_Player: We all see Padme has a very strong personality. remember the way she talked to obi-wan; she does that kind of thing to jar jar, too. people complains the way she meets yoda, cutting him short ... that is her queen talk I am not saying that is an appealing side to all men, but it looks like Anakin takes it fine. It seems to cheer him up. I haven't seen OT for a while but isn't leia sort of like her? These women growing up in Naboo... These girls, they are lucky. Someone actually LIKES them that way. maybe someone that knows how cool they are and thinks of themself as their equal. I think Anakin and Padme are all militant in a sense. I like them that way. they are sweet and all, but haven't they kicked butt in the arena! so, I wouldn't say Anakin made a bad choice. -----signature----- What was silent is now in retreat Nothing was to be marked from the beginning Except the acknowledge
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 7:20pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 7:21pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Undomiel
	Zam, You're just too cute to tear apart [not to mention, we'd miss your wonderful posts]. Jedi Lyn, I always so enjoy your posts. They are insightful and compassionate. heartfelt. Darth Homer, I've been stalked before. What Anakin is doing is not stalking.
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Jedi_Lyn Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 7:23pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 7:26pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Jedi_Lyn
	Anakin is spoiled because he is unappreciative of both the sacrifice his mother made and the training and love he receives from Obi-Wan. Disrespect for the Jedi philosophy and his mentor. He says the words, "he is like a father to me", but his actions show the opposite. He believes totally in his own myth of the "Chosen ONe" and feels for that reason that the Jedi code doesn't apply to him. Lack of humility, kindness, selflessnes. How can a boy that was raised in the Jedi temple for 10 years be so un-jedi like. It's like he learned nothing. It really is sad, he'd been better off staying on Tatooine as a slave. Hey, if you have seen the movie twice, observed all these, and don't sightly blame palpy for this, you are either biased or as easily misled as that 19 years old. I do agree with your observation but I feel damn sorry for Anakin. Thinking about what is coming in episode III, I feel even more sorry for him. This is what happens if you trust the wrong people---the wrong people to guide you, when you are a kid. that kind of people that feed vemon into you, make you think darkness is good. look at the way Anakin addresses palpy. it kills me big time. -----signature----- What was silent is now in retreat Nothing was to be marked from the beginning Except the acknowledge
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Lukecash Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 6/30/02 7:34pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Now somehow that just doesnt' seem fair to me. Why should women have to do all the work. Sounds to me like somebody's been hurt in the past. (Hey many of us have been..god knows my love life is nothing to be proud of. Wouldn't make a very good movie, though it might make it as a Lifetime special) Oh mine is more like a Marx Bro's movie- For some reason the good looking people are sining a love song, while I sit in the corner smoking a cigar and cracking wise. Where the music is coming from, I can't really tell you. Yes I have been hurt, that's why I spend my days on a Star Wars Web Site The fact is this: A guy really doesn't put any condition on dating. Women do. It made me kinda laugh when you said that flowery language would work if "the feelings are mutual and you are both on the same wavelength" It's funny. Women are supposedly the ones who deal with emotional issues better. And yet MEN are the ones who have to put their hearts on the chopping block. The fact is that a woman will develop a checklist for one guy...(i won't love him till he does this, this and this) The next moment, Mr. Dream Boy walks in and she's all ready to take him into to the bathroom to do the wild thing. A french philospher once said "When a woman meets a man, she can go from infatuation to marriage in less than minute." Guys are much different- We'll pretty much date anyone who's actually intrested in us. That is if they actually show us they are intrested in us. At the very least we'll give you a chance. And if you don't try to change us, hassle us or annoy us- we'd actually marry ya. Men are relatively simple creatures. Basically we like to eat, drink and have sex. While most women would consider this cavemansh-they tend to forget the benifits of having a cave man husband. We'll work ourselves to death for you, protect you and our brood with our last breath and unless you give us a reason otherwise - we don't stray from the family. And women tend to forget the main thing. Not only are we not Mind Readers- we really don't care to guess what is on your minds. We're not going to get the right answer, anyway. You accuse us of A) Not caring B) Not beind a soul mate C) You wouldn't Understand. If you like us, throw your arms around us. Give us a kiss. Jump our bones-that's a pretty good indication to us you find us attractive at least. Or better yet-just tell us -----signature----- Boss Nass and Captian Tarpalis were brave, compentent warriors.- my words that will alway haunt me. You were right about one thing master, the negotiations were short"- ob-wani To expect Star Wars to be anything but itself is courting doom-me being wise
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/30/02 7:39pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Luke_Cash, Runs off to show her husband your post, giggling the entire way LOL!!! This post is great. sounds of footsteps retreating into the background .....
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Lukecash Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 6/30/02 7:47pm Subject: RE: Official Love Story discussion thread.
	Undomiel And of course, he's right. But we aren't talking about Sigmund Freud. We are talking about Anakin. Think of the differences between the two men! Anakins Light Sabre Vs Sigmuns Cigar. A comparison. 1) Anakins Light sabre extends very large while Frued cigar slowly burns down to a stub. 2) Both glow in the dark. 3) Anakin's lightsaber saw action in Padme's bedroom. Cigar got sucked on by Frued. I think I should stop now. -----signature----- Boss Nass and Captian Tarpalis were brave, compentent warriors.- my words that will alway haunt me. You were right about one thing master, the negotiations were short"- ob-wani To expect Star Wars to be anything but itself is courting doom-me being wise
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