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ami-padme  3153 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 7:53pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
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Lukecash  1594 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 8:11pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Luke_Cash,

*Runs off to show her husband your post, giggling the entire way*

LOL!!! This post is great. *sounds of footsteps retreating into the background* .....



And you know what, if he actually agrees with me, he won't say it in front of you grin

 

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IamZam  2361 posts
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24060_Padme and Anakin
Date Posted: 6/30/02 8:12pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Alot of you have made much ado about woven subtlties that arent immediatly obvious to the common folk. Like me. This isn't Shakespeare here guys, it's StarWars, not known for great acting or great dialogue. To believe that one must perform intensive Psychological profiling on the characters to truly appreciate the love story, is ridiculous.

Thanks for the laugh. I think of it as noticing sublte things that are there and easy to see, but that require one to look for them. They are not flashing over the characters like giant cartoon bubbles, with thier thoughts spelled out for the lazy watcher.

As for Anakin being a spoiled brat who should be grateful. I beg to differ. Yes he was a slave, he had a mother who love him very much and wanted a better life, than one where his existance depened on the whim of who ever owned them. Where he had to work and was probably on occasion beaten (this is said in a few places). Oui Gon came along, instantly clicked with this young boy and became a father to him. He offered him freedom and a chance for something better and a chance to have his dream come true. However this came at a steep price. He knew he wouldnt' see his mother, he knew he would be in for some serious training, but he was also a 9 year old boy who while he didn't have the greatest life was very close to his mother. Qui Gon saw him as the chosen one destined to full fil a prophecy and offered him a chance at adventure and his dreams. What boy wouldn't want that. But it required a lifetime commitment. Who is pepared to make that kind of commitment at 9. I certainly wasn't. He didnt have a clue what he was being dragged into. The Jedi weren't conecerned with him at all. They were concerned with what he could do for them. He wanted it, but most likely was not at that age able to fully realize what he was getting himself into.

First they interogate the poor kid, (granted they wanted to make sure Qui was right, but still), then they tell him no. This leaves him wondering what will happen to him. Then he manages (semi accidentally on purpose) to take out the federation ship and out fly the best pilots around.

Only the guy who adopted him up adn gets himself killed. The council changes their mind, not because the want him, but because they feel they must let this happen. They resigned that he is the chosen one, and this is his destiny.

He is apprenticed, not to a master who saw great potential, but a just knighted Master who only took him on as a promise to a dying man, and first saw him as the JC did, he is dangerous, and wasn't keen on him. (though there may have been a small amount of jealously there too, as Obi semi freaked when Qui Gon first mentioned taking on Anakin).

So then he goes off to the Temple where he is the oldest trainee (the rest had been together since they were infants an knew no other life), and the youngest Padawan. Most are taken on by a master around 12 or 13 (like Obi was) those that don't get picked are not excommunicated, but go to work in other endeavors. (If QG, hadn't picked OB1, he would have been sent to the agricultural core if Iremember right). Most of the other padawans resented and were in awe of him.

Eventually he and Obi Wan did develop a close relationship, but there is still a rift there. Obi Wans see's him as being arrogant and over confident. Like a father he is concerned and is just beginning to realize that he may be in over his head with this one. Anakin knows he is much more powerful and has more potential but is feeling held back. He is feeling like Obi Wan only see's the bad and not the good. And the fact that Palpy/Sids is there, fueling his ego and telling him only how wonderful he is, how great he will be, grooming him for Vaderdom, well that is only fuel to the fire.

Well what do you expect. He treats Obi Wan with respect most of the time, but he doesn't always agree with him, and sometimes he is right and Obi is wrong. And you would have him thinking these are the most wonderful bunch on the earth and he owes his soul to them. And should be on his knees thanking them. Ain't gonna happen. Especially after what happened to his mother. His resentment towards then is growing with leaps and bounds. While part of him still wants to be one of them, and still see's that Obi Wan took over and more or less was his father, there is also a lot of anger there, just waiting for the right fuel to make it boil over. The boy is a volcano about to blow.

Now who was there, listening to him and being an unconditional friend up until he left? Who was in his dreams, and who was probably the one person he felt strongest for outside of his mother? Who when he comes back listens to him, is intersted and isnt' turned off by his "attitude". Hello.. . His marriage to her and breaking of his vows, are because he loves her and also another way for him to stick it to the JC. They have taken so much away from him, he will not let them take this away also.

If they gave him an ultimatum right now and told him he had to chose between them and her, I guarantee he would tell Mace and Yoda what they could do with themselves. Though probably in much nicer words.

Obi Wan knows this and as such is very much stuck in the middle of ye olde rock and hard place. They are not stupid. Obi Wan sensed something right away in her apt, he tried subltey to talk Anakin out of it. He tried to tell Mace and Yoda that sending them off was a bad idea and they blew him off, telling him to have more confidence that Anakin would do the right thing. He was right there and saw the Padme hug o'death. He is not stupid. This is not the hug of a friend to another. She didn't even awknowldge any one else. And they were so tightly holding each other and looking at each other is was crystal clear they had become much more than friends.

Obi Wan knows things are going to get very dark and ugly, and like everyone else he is at a loss as to what to do.

I don't agree with much of Anakins actions, I am not saying he was right, to do what ever it is that happens in EPIII, and I sure as heck don't think Vader is in any way justified in his behavior. I am saying I totally see where he is comming from and why. I see Vader as somebody who is very very very angry. His anger is being taken out on everyone and everything. That is why men move quickly thru his ranks one mistake and that's it. There is no room for disappointment or error.

But a small flicker of Anakin does still remain. It is there on the ESB battle and it is this small kernel that Luke manages to find. And thru Luke and his love for his father Padme eventually saves him. For I truly believe that she saw in him (Ani) something no one else, did. As long as she had breathe, she would not have given up on him. And that is why she was Palpy's biggest threat. She was his salvation, and also his achilles heel.









 

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Jedi_Lyn  167 posts
Registered: Jun '02
Date Posted: 6/30/02 8:16pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
[reading undomiel's post with laugher...]
[scraching head: 'now, what is it that made me laugh?]

heck, I am laughing. grin

 

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anakin-player  939 posts
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7431_Anakin Skywalker
Date Posted: 6/30/02 8:20pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
IamZam

Great post!

Obi Wan sensed something right away in her apt, he tried subltey to talk Anakin out of it.

Are you referring to ObiWan's statement which he told Anakin "Politicians are not to be trusted!"

 

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Undomiel  3491 posts
Registered: May '02
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 8:20pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Luke_Cash,

Of course he does! LOL! He's told me this type of thing many times before. He added for extra emphasis that typically "submissive" homosexual males and dominant "lesbian" females are much better romancers of women than heterosexual men because they understand the feminine mindset so much better. He even went as far as to prove it to me one day, by showing examples of women who had fallen, unbeknownst to them, with gays of both sexes in online environments. The online environment provided the gay individual with anonymity to play the part of the woman's preferred romantic partner. If she was hetero, then the gay would play the part of a male. If she was bi, then the gay would play the opposite bi role that individual preferred. etc. Initially, I said he was wrong! But soon found he was not only correct, but very correct.

The only times when this was not true were players. The player type has made it a personal study and will go to any length to get a woman of his fancy. He realizes he must lose some face to perfect the skill, and does so diligently. To him, conquest is all that matters. He could honestly care less about the women he gets involved with. The final example, is the VERY rare romantic male. Who, at his very heart, is a deeply-feeling individual, such as Anakin.

*raising eyebrow* Point, Undomiel.

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(sorry, wanted to make a point, so i snuck it in there) heh heh heh

 
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Jedi_Lyn  167 posts
Registered: Jun '02
Date Posted: 6/30/02 8:27pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
gotta say good night now. this has been a fun day.

 

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IamZam  2361 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 8:35pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
LC,
thanks for the laugh.. that was very.. entertaining. I may never see Frued the same way again... at least you didn't bring the president into it, cause well ummm we don't want to go there do we.. (**great now I'm doing it** note to self: please remove mind from gutter)

I've been hurt to, (see a very bad complicated Lifetime movie of the week for an idea..) but it hasn't stopped me from trying and hoping.

Guys also have preconcieved ideas. How many guys are going go out of thier way to be intersted in a girl who may be very bright, and have a wonderful character, but who has a body that is ummm..not in keeping with current societal standards of beauty. I mean if she is heavier, or has other things that make her non centerfold material. She may be very bright and quite a wonderful person, but who is the first woman many guys hit on in a club or other bar.. the one who is stacked like a load of bricks. (Not always, there are no absolutes, I must point out.). Yet we as women tend to categorize all men together as a one size fits all fraternity. And men likewise tend to view all women as a like minded sorority who all think the same. WE don't. The discussion on this thread proves that. While some women may indeed be very much as you describe, those are only a small amount. If you were to get the full story of all of us, even just here on this thread every story would most likely be quite different. Yes there are things we as women have in common and can relate to, but there are also many things we view differently would act very differently on. Some women would love the drippy poetry, I am one of them. Others such as Connie would hate it. Why? Because we are very different people with very different ideas, beliefs and experiences. There is no such thing as one size fits all. And no one thing that is guareteed to work on all women or men.

You have to get to know that person, be yourself and know what that person likes and how they like to be treated. Then follow accordingly. Will it always end happily ever after, of course not. But does that make it not worth the chance? Once it does end happily, if it does, isn't it worth all the pain and risk of the others.?

 

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Undomiel  3491 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 8:43pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Jedi Lyn,

Night, night.

 
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IamZam  2361 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 8:47pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 9:07pm (1 edits total) Edited By: IamZam
A_P, I believe the line was she is a politician and they are not to be trusted.

Later in the meadow Anakin has a similiar sentiment. IT wasn't Obi Wans political views he was disagreeing with. LOL grin .

Next time you see the movie watch the faces in the apt. When Padme see's Ani for the first time, she has to fight to keep from getting carpet burns on her chin. Then they cut to Obi-Wan, watch his face. HE clearly see's that there is definatly something in the air, and it isn't Jar Jar's cologne. The tension between Anakin and Padme was such that even Obi Wan saw it


He just didnt' want to come right out and say, "Hey Anakin forget about it, we need you to save our butts, so please stop making gaga eyes with the Senator before we all have a whole lotta trouble on our hands."

 

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Undomiel  3491 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 8:49pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Zam,

HE clearly see's that there is definatly something in the air, and it isn't Jar Jar's cologne

How true!

 
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Lukecash  1594 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 9:13pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 9:13pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Lukecash
I_Z

Guys also have preconcieved ideas. How many guys are going go out of thier way to be intersted in a girl who may be very bright, and have a wonderful character, but who has a body that is ummm..not in keeping with current societal standards of beauty. I mean if she is heavier, or has other things that make her non centerfold material.

Darling, I've seen a drunk 20'year old good looking frat boy hit on my 60's brassy female boss who quite franlky had a face of leather. I've hit on a 50ish year old woman who was- shall we say- comfortable when I was drunk in a bar.

Guys will hit on any thing that moves. Especially when they get drunk. Women don't want to hear this. Sex has nothing to do with romance. For guys- it the way we get to know you. happy

Hey, I've dated all body types unless or tried to. Women are 10 times worse. I am 5 foot 2 weigh 120 pounds. I am not tall dark and handsome. I am short, polish and handsome. I've been rejected by women online because I tell them the truth of what I look like. I've seen television shows where the women list their turn offs as "short men"

At last count I have 65 female "friends" in my past. That's right-women I've gotten to know, fell for asked out- These are not counting the ones that I was intrested in and made no move. But of course, they just wanted to be friends. It is only recently that I stopped that practice.

There are only three women I rejected. They happened to still be the wives/girlfriends of my friends. It should be obvious why I rejected them...even though I did like them.

This is my advice to all people, men or women. If someone actually shows an intrest in you-go for it.

 

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Undomiel  3491 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 9:24pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Zam again,

Guys also have preconcieved ideas. How many guys are going go out of thier way to be intersted in a girl who may be very bright, and have a wonderful character, but who has a body that is ummm..not in keeping with current societal standards of beauty.

Boy you ain't just a'whistlin' dixie. To coin a corny phrase.

I mean if she is heavier, or has other things that make her non centerfold material.

I can name two men RIGHT now, who are quite close to me, that have both said without the slightest qualms that they are not attracted to women who are overweight at all. In fact, one of them quit having sex with his wife because of it and they'd been married for 18 years or so. How sad is that? I agree that not all men will think this way but if it can have that big of an impact on a guy's sex life...something's definitely wrong with the way our media is presenting the ideal woman.

She may be very bright and quite a wonderful person, but who is the first woman many guys hit on in a club or other bar.. the one who is stacked like a load of bricks.

Believe me, there is no joy in being stacked like a load of bricks either. There is essentially no happy ground on these issues for women. The guy either loves you or he doesn't.

Yet we as women tend to categorize all men together as a one size fits all fraternity. And men likewise tend to view all women as a like minded sorority who all think the same. WE don't.

I agree!

women would love the drippy poetry, I am one of them.

I love drippy poetry, too. I've been teased, tortured, had head games played on me, and everything else you can imagine for loving and writing drippy poetry! lol

There is no such thing as one size fits all.

AMEN!

But does that make it not worth the chance? Once it does end happily, if it does, isn't it worth all the pain and risk of the others.?

*waits to hear his response to this*

(Dang girl, you surpassed yourself on this one.)

 
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Lukecash  1594 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 9:31pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 6/30/02 9:32pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Lukecash
Undomiel

He's told me this type of thing many times before. He added for extra emphasis that typically "submissive" homosexual males and dominant "lesbian" females are much better romancers of women than heterosexual men because they understand the feminine mindset so much better.


If I read this correctly- your husband agrees with me. And not only that-you've proved my point.

Women created the "game". It doesn't matter that the person on the otherside is actually a gay male or a lesbian-because women have these little hoops that a guy has to jump through. Players are successful because they know what button to push.

What women don't really understand is that if it doesn't involve playing cards, a round ball of any size or internal combustion engines- guys don't want to play games.

So this could easily explain why I have conception of why or how Padme actually fell in love with Anakin. Must be them right buttons being pushed on padme.

Either that or she got a thing for tribe slaughtering men grin

 

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Undomiel  3491 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 9:50pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Luke_Cash,


Ahhh, that'd be your poison then. You have to choose, and you just did.

Yep, hubby says you are right that men are like carbon copies of Tim the Toolman. Food, sleep, sex. Some, however, like to make it a more intricate dance, which is not only fulfilling for her but him as well. You should know yourself that it's alot more fun for you if she's having fun. Or maybe you don't know this?

 
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