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anakin-player  939 posts
Registered: Jun '02
7431_Anakin Skywalker
Date Posted: 6/30/02 10:00pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
He just didnt' want to come right out and say, "Hey Anakin forget about it, we need you to save our butts, so please stop making gaga eyes with the Senator before we all have a whole lotta trouble on our hands."

LOL

Maybe Obi should have made it clear from the beginning to Anakin. Before they left for Naboo, Obi should have told Anakin to keep his hands off the senator! happy

 

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Lukecash  1594 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 10:08pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
I can name two men RIGHT now, who are quite close to me, that have both said without the slightest qualms that they are not attracted to women who are overweight at all. In fact, one of them quit having sex with his wife because of it and they'd been married for 18 years or so. How sad is that? I agree that not all men will think this way but if it can have that big of an impact on a guy's sex life...something's definitely wrong with the way our media is presenting the ideal woman.


Oh, is that media image of guys any different? I am not 6 foot muscle bound guy.

Here is an opposing viewpoint that you are probabbly not going to like.

The reason why people are not attracted to those who are overweight has nothing to do with the media. It is because overweight people obviously have less drive, less initiative and less self-esteme. If a person does not care how they look, then why should anyone else?

Weight and how good of shape you are in is the one thing that everyone can control. There are VERY few exceptions to this. I have a muscle problem that will not let me become fat....but right now I am out of shape. And I am getting equipment to help me with this problem.

And many times, a person who is obese has a lot of emotional trauma and issues that they have to deal with. This is something that is not true straight accross the board-but I've seen it in my friends.

And notice that I did not say this about women or men. It is true for the both of them. I am not talking about people who are mearly 25 pounds overweight. Quite frankly some men and women actually look better with a little meat on them-if they wear it well.

As far as you friend who was married 18 years and is not having sex with his overweight wife? Why should he? Now if she just gained 20 pounds, then I would say he is being unreasonable. If she gained 100 pounds-then obviously he has a right to complain. What should he do? Lie to her and say_ oh yeah baby, I am attracted to you cause your a slob now?

There is another asspect to? He is probabablly thinking- Why doesn't she think I am good enough to look good for? Is she trying to drive me away? Is she so unhappy with her life she is gaining weight?

It is not unreasonable expectation for a mate to think the spouse should be close weight to when they got married. Marriage is work- and you cannot let your self go just because you feel safe. That means you must constanlty do your best to remain attractive for your mate. Guys and gals shouldn't become fat slobs. A little weight gain with age must be expected, but not a lot.

And if a person marries an overwieght spouse, then that is another matter. It would be unreasonable to expect them to loose weight. But the overweight spouse shouldn't gain weight as well.

 

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PadmeLeiaJaina  11069 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 10:11pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
<<< Maybe Obi should have made it clear from the beginning to Anakin. Before they left for Naboo, Obi should have told Anakin to keep his hands off the senator!>>>

Well I think Obi-Wan thought his Padawan could control himself, and probably wouldn't react well at all to THAT kind of a fatherly lecture. He sorta reprimended him in Padmes chambers after Anakin's "being around her again is...intoxicating" line, Obi-Wan says, "be mindful of your thoughts Anakin, you have made a committment to the Jedi Order, not one that can be easily broken."

 

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Undomiel  3491 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 10:11pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
*listens to the poignant silence*

 
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anakin-player  939 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 10:24pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
After Obi-Wan says to Captain Typho something like "I hope he doesn't try anything foolish and then Typho responds by saying "I'd be more concerned about her doing something than him." What do you think Typho was insinuating? Does he mean that he was afraid that Padme might fall for Anakin? I'm guessing that Typho knew that Anakin was interested in Padme judging by his reaction after Anakin said the you have grown more beautiful line.

 

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Undomiel  3491 posts
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Date Posted: 6/30/02 10:25pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Luke_Cash,


You're not going to like this either.

I recently had a masectomy and have a huge scar across my chest where my breast should be. I also have stretch marks across my abdomen and hips from giving birth to his children. My body looks like a mass of scars and interconnecting lines. I guess I should just got out and shoot myself cause no amount of exercise is going to change either one of those physical attributes. And yet, you will have to admit, not having smooth, supple, youthful-looking skin, free of stretch marks and masectomy scars, is certainly going to be a point of contention for him if I should look like Bambi on the Playboy Channel in order to be sexually attractive. grin

Tell you what, I do believe all women everywhere who are incapable of being physically beautiful no matter what they do, should just go out now and end their lives. That way, all that'll be left on the planet is a bunch of beautiful babes (of course, once you get them preggers repeatedly or they have to have body deforming surgery, they won't be looking very good for long), so well, eventually all that'll be left is a bunch of guys playing cards, watching guys playing ball sports, and playing with their combustion engines. YAY! PROBLEM SOLVED!

Why didn't you think of it before, Vader?

 
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IamZam  2361 posts
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24060_Padme and Anakin
Date Posted: 6/30/02 11:14pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
L_C, I meant sober men. Drunks will hit on anything resembling a female form And I didn't say all. There are more exceptions than rules, it just seems that way sometimes. And you are right women can be just as guilty as men, however I've found that while people prefer to date these ideals, often the people they wind up marrying are often much more likely to fall into the normal everyday people category.

They arne't centerfolds, but they aren't the elephant man either. How many of us had normal everyday looking parents, vs. how many of us had parents that came from a magazine centerfold.

I mean look around. There are plenty of (tons I would say) of men fitting the descripion you give of yourself who are happily married, so you will have to do better than that. I mean Danny Devito has been married for how many years now. (before he became famous and rich yet too.).

Personally if I met a guy who had similiar intersts, values, and personality. I really wouldnt' care how tall he was, or what frame he had. Yes there needs to be some kind of physical attraction, but one can't build a reltionship on looks alone, unless they are extremely shallow. Yes I have my ideals, and tend to like a good piece of eye candy as much as the next person. All people do. That doesn't mean I limit myself to that. I love ice cream, but I also eat my vegetables. Too much ice cream is very bad for one's health, but a little bit is good for the soul. (assuming one likes "ice cream").

The reason why people are not attracted to those who are overweight has nothing to do with the media. It is because overweight people obviously have less drive, less initiative and less self-esteme. If a person does not care how they look, then why should anyone else?


**deep breathe**

okay..

Actually some of us have more drive than our skinny counterparts, are capable of walking several miles with out getting out of breathe, have degrees, maintain households, raise kids by ourselves, and "on top of it all happen to be damn cute".

But if all you look for is someone to be a little trophy then you wouldn't notice that.
Maybe you need to grow up a little, then you will realize that a person is much more than an apperance. Once upon a time, Reubans were considered very sexy and attractive, and the skinny people were considered to be the one's with a problem. But into days' health obseessed society many people are so afraid of their own mortality that any one who isnt' a perfect example of the ideal is looked down on as having a problem. I for one would prefer to get to know someone , before I make up an opionion n them. By judging an entire group of people so radically and swiftly as being not worthy you are shutting out a large (no pun intended) number of people who just might have something intersting to say, and who might just be a wonderful person. So please be careful what you say. With this being the internet none of us knows who might be reading this or what they might look like or come from. You never know who might be reading.

end rant. IF I offended someone I appologize, but as you can tell somebody here just stepped on one of my hot buttons.


 

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Undomiel  3491 posts
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19077_Princess Leia
Date Posted: 6/30/02 11:20pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Zam,

Don't worry hun. They don't have women with only one breast on the Playboy Channel either. lol

 
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Scruffy-looking  892 posts
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Date Posted: 7/1/02 12:02am Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 7/1/02 12:03am (1 edits total) Edited By: Scruffy-looking
If I may humbly add to the discussion here...

Here's a question that I've been thinking about for the last few days. I've seen it touched on in some fan fiction, but not anywhere else. Who's idea do you think it was to get married? His, hers, or ??

I'd like to share my thoughts on this, not least because I'm working on a fanfic with precisely this subject. happy This may sound counterintuitive, but I think Anakin is the one who pushes for marriage, while Padme would be more comfortable with the idea of remaining secret lovers; she is trying to reconcile "I love you" with "I will not let you give up your future for me." Like others have said, admitting her love for Anakin will help free her of the passivity and devotion to duty that she exhibited as Queen and Senator Amidala. If she is willing to take the risk of loving Anakin, what does another one matter? So long as children do not come into the picture, being officially married would be far more damaging to Anakin's status as a Jedi, then Padme's as a Senator. She may not like being a paramour, but she probably believes her love with Anakin is strong enough, and true enough, to endure without the official sanction and title of marriage. All to protect Anakin's standing with the Jedi.

Anakin, for many reasons, will not think like this. He shows in AOTC that he is not capable of acting in a balanced manner; he throws himself head first into any situation. Now that he has the assurance of Padme's love, he will feel he must demonstrate it, and 'keep it a secret' will no longer suffice for him; in his mind, such a relationship would imply that he fears a lifelong committment, and therefore, doesn't really love Padme when push comes to shove. Subconsciously, he wants to challenge the Jedi Order over this, as he does in many other things as well.

Of course, the ever practical Padme comes up with a compromise: a secret marriage! happy Incidentally, I don't think he'll be expelled from the Jedi if and when it's discovered; there's still the matter of his behavior on Tatooine which must be explained, and if I were the JC, I would be far more concerned about this incident than his marriage. And as a practical matter, by the time kids become an issue, everyone will have far bigger problems to deal with.

Sadly, I think Anakin's love for Padme will be a powerful force for leading him to the dark side, in and of itself. It is easy to hate that which threatens what you love, and I think he is going to build up a lot of hatred for the many individuals and groups who have tried to harm Padme in the past, and will no doubt attempt to do so in the future. He will not be able to fight dispassionately; for him, the Clone Wars will be a personal vendetta. And if Palpatine gets involved, look out.

 
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JediHPDrummer  940 posts
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Date Posted: 7/1/02 12:09am Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
OOOOOOOOOOOO....... Koala bears eating headphones while doing backflips on top of a shoe horn

 

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IamZam  2361 posts
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Date Posted: 7/1/02 12:22am Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Scruffy Looking, Thank you for getting us back on topic. For a minute there I thought lightsabers were going light up. I will have to think about your post and get back to you. You make some very intersting points. Especially about Anakin having a vendetta in the clone wars. I need to cogitate and get some sleep.

JediHPDrummer
HUH?!?!?! You made me laugh for which I am greatful, but you are definatly a master of the non-sequitor.. and surreal to boot.

Frogs in pumps chasing rabbits on the water..

 

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Undomiel  3491 posts
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Date Posted: 7/1/02 12:31am Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 7/1/02 12:36am (2 edits total) Edited By: Undomiel
Scruff,

Aye, good post. Vendetta eh? Crud, if only my missing um body part had been the result of something I had actually done to make it happen, I could say it was a vendetta against myself, but unfortunately, tis but a part of being female and over forty. I'm thinking GL is not going to have enough time to show vendettas.


JediHPDrummer,

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Forceuser  58 posts
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Date Posted: 7/1/02 12:33am Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
I expected more emphasis on this part of the story based on what GL was telling us before they started filming it. I thought there was going to be this tragic love story theme to rival Titanic to attract a larger female audience.

 

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Undomiel  3491 posts
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Date Posted: 7/1/02 12:34am Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Forceuser,

I think that's coming in Episode III.

 
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Lukecash  1594 posts
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Date Posted: 7/1/02 12:42am Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread. - Date Edited: 7/1/02 12:43am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lukecash
Undomiel and I_Z

First the general statement. You blamed playboy and the media for causeing people not to like overwieght people because they didn't fit the "norm". I was pointing out that there were deeper reasons why overweight people discriminated against. It is NOT media perception only. I probabbly should have had made that clearer.

I also at no point say that Playboy style body was preferable to any other body type. In my humble opinion, if a woman does NOT have a masectomy, she shouldn't get implants.
I also did not say that a woman had to look "beautiful" either. At no point have I disregarded women with buck teeth, scars or otherwise. I believe a woman with glasses is very sexy.

If you re-read my note- it was an examination of why people are overweight. I know overweight people from both sexes. Wieght is something that a person can conrol about themselves. IF there are psycologial reasons for a person to over eat- then they must be resolved. If a person doesn't have time to excersise- then a change in diet is involved. We choose what we place in our bodies and how much.

Not one has a medical condition that causes their obesity. My fathers struggled with his weight all of his life. He was programmed to overeat when he was a kid and found food to be a comfort. When he gets depressed(and being a manic depressive this happens occasionally) he will gain the pounds and be miserable. But when he breaks out of it- he attempts and succeeds in losing the weight. My father says its a tough battle-but once a person realizes they have the ultimate control over their body-they can do it. My best friend marriage is on the rocks. He's up to 450 and cannot stop eating because it is an obsession with him. His wife is suffering greatly. She fears a heart attack will be comming soon for him. One of my female friends is a diabetic as a result of her weight. If she actually lost the weight, should could get the diabeties under control. All she has to do is just stick to the diet the doctor gave her and take 20 minuets a day of some form of exersices. But her love for Mac Donalds and junk food prevents her from doing just that.

All these people I love and support whatever they do. I try to be supportive as I can when they attempt to loose weight. But my love cannot change them. They have to change themselves.

If you read my note as well- I said that SOME weight gain was to be expected. I figure 50-70 pounds of being overweight is not bad for age, kids or what ever. If you gain more than 100 pounds then you have a problem. Seriously. I also stressed the fact that this was NOT just for women and just for men.

At one time being fat was considered a sign of weatlth and health. Yes I've heard the excuse that Rebuens were considered a sign of a sexy women. But the problem is that that was not a healthy attitude either. Their are health problems realating to being overweight. This is something that is in known today. Being too thin is ALSO unhealthy, Anorexia, buliemia are also a bad thing. It may surprise you, but guys don't really like toothpicks either.

And now for Undomiel only

You want to compair scars?

Fine.

I have a rare form of MS. This leaves me looking like a refugee/hollocust victem in my body style.

I have a concave chest. It caved in when I was a fetus, because my muscles weren't strong enough to support the rib cage.

I have curvature of the spine. I also have a scar from the base of my neck to the base of my final vertabre. Thats from the three back surgeries i've had.

I have a scar on both arms because of fun stuff when I was a kid. I have a scar on my upper lip because my best friend accidently dropped a flashlight on my lip when I was six.

I am deaf in one ear totally and a hearing aid in the other.

I have a scar on my right hip from when I fractured it. I have two scars on my ankles from wear they had to rebuild my arches in my feet.

Oh, and before I was born, the doctors wanted my mother to abort me. She was Roman Catholic, so that wasn't gonna happen.

So please understand when I say this one point: I do not appreciate being called Vader. At no point did I say round up the non-beautiful people and kill them.

I know the difference between phyiscal problem due to circumstance out of your control and those that you can control. I'm sorry you have had a rough time with cancer. But at no point in time did I condemn you or anyone else for something they can't control.

I have been rejected in love because I was physically handicapped. More times than I care or want to admit. If you also read the end of my note, I also said if I married an overweight woman I wouldn't expect her to loose weight. But please keep in mind, if a weight issue is getting in between a person and their spouse- then they better do something about it. Food addiction is the same as substance and alchohol addiction.

But this is the thing. If you feel you are being descriminated against becaue of being overweight. You can do something about it.
I feel I am out of shape, and despite my handicaps I am going to do somehting about it.

Oy vey,

I did not intend to insult anyone with my words-just point out a different view. So to re-cap.

1)I like ugly people. I do not like playboy models
2) I believe you can control your weight. If you have problems, then my prayers go out to you to find the strength to take control.. Being too skinny is bad as being too fat.
3)I do not think it is bad for a spouse to gain 30-70 pounds in wieght because of age, childbirth and other such things. If you gain more, then you've got a problem.

4) I think scars are sexy.




 

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