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PadmeLeiaJaina  11069 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2/02 3:20pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
So back to seeing Anakin in the meditation scene on an IMAX screen....... love

 

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anakin-player  939 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2/02 3:33pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Sheesh, I try to work on my research paper for a few hours and then all these posts appear!

Master-Windu

Great post at destroying my argument! Looks like I got some good feedback from my "controversial" ideas. Sorry, no time to respond yet.

Anakin may never come right out and say I love you, but every action, deed, and thought of his towards her positively screams it. You don't jump out on your dreams for just anybody. And if you watch the way he kisses her and looks at her, well that aint just hormones. This boy worships her, holds her in awe and would give up his life for her with out a second thought. Its there in every little thing, all thru the movie. She clearly shows it, but has to say it, to admit it to herself as much as to Anakin.

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Doesn't Anakin come off as a little too desperate? This seems like a major turn off to women because I thought women like men who show strong confidence.

 

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Jedi_Lyn  167 posts
Registered: Jun '02
Date Posted: 7/2/02 3:58pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Doesn't Anakin come off as a little too desperate? This seems like a major turn off to women because I thought women like men who show strong confidence.

A_P: I think episode I and Anakin's identity as a jedi padawan, plus whatever he does in the starting of episode II, has established him nicely as a rare and cool person in padme's eye. vice versa for padme. he lets her know he has great respect for her. the lovers never suffer lack of esteem to each other. whereas in real life, it is essential to establish that before you ask for a hug.

 

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jedi-ES  1649 posts
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14853_Anakin and Padme
Date Posted: 7/2/02 4:43pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Well, I saw AOTC again today. Won't tell ya what number it is for me out of the possibility of shame and embarassment.

Kept my eye out for some of the things that you ladies had mentioned and I have a few comments. When they first meet, I did notice that Padme did have look on her that showed "intense interest" towards Anakin.

I wonder if you guys noticed that when Anakin slices the Khohouns(sp?) off Padme and she wakes up, even when Obi-Wan jumps through the window, Padme's eyes are stuck on Anakin till he leaves the room.

Also, and this is something I noticed a while ago, at the dinner scene, she was this look on her face the entire time that I would describe as sexual interest/desire. I think you can tell that she is really into him, and you can tell that he notices it too.

I also noticed from some posts the last couple of days that the main reason why some people don't believe the love story is b/c they don't think that Padme could fall for someone so beneath her in abilities as Anakin. First off, the guy is extremely talented. An when you have those abilities, you tend to get frustrated quicker than the average joe. He is not whiny, he is frustrated! Second, he never seems to be dumb or average intelligence in any way. Third, and I am secure in my masculinity to admit it, the guy is good-looking and quite charismatic. Lastly, the guy is in the middle of things, with the Jedi Council talking about him all the time and the Supreme Chancellor giving him advice.

Finally, in regards to the ladies discussion on age/maturity/gender identities in liking the love story, I would say that though older ladies would probably like the story more than guys in general, I think it depends more on sensitivity and romanticism. I have met many younger men who were very mature and I have met older women who didn't know anything about life. Some people cannot be "judged" by their age or gender b/c many don't act within that stereotype.

I am 24 years old. A male. And a hopeless romantic. I loved the love story, thinking that it only could be better with more scenes. And I think I liked it b/c I like the characters and was rooting for them. I liked Anakin and to this point I think that he is a good person, which makes me all the more want to see it turn right. And knowing that it doesn't, makes it a true tragedy.

 

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Obi-Can  844 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2/02 5:03pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Of course, you ladies realize that Anakin doesn't really love Padme. He's obsessive about her. He wants to own her.

loves the idealof Padme. He's in love with the dream of Padme. Look again closely at conversations between Anakin and Obiwan and Anakin and Padme

LukeCash,
I agree with you for the most part. However, it goes deepter than just obsession. I think he see's her as a trophy one for thing, but more than that he needs her. I think Anakin is very lonely, and emotionally unstable.

Thats why he's having so much trouble living up to the Jedi Ideals. For one thing he was used to unconditional love until the age 9, then he went into an environment where every move and gesture was judged. Even though Anakin says Obi-Wan is "like a father" he's still a mentor. Being a mentor and being a father are two very different things. A father loves, encourages and is proud of you. He also very biased in his opinion of you. A mentor may encourage, but his job is to see you very objectively and point out your weaknesses and help you better yourself. I think Anakin has very deep self-esteem issues stemming from his slavery and losing his mother at a critical time.

My problem with the love story is not that Anakin is obsessed with Padme. At least there I can see why he is willing to give up everything for her. He's emotionally unstable. Its more why does she fall in love with him. I think she's romantically experienced, therefore doesnt have the excuse of inexperience. He's obviously troubled and once Anakin kills the children its over for me. I can't believe that someone like Padme would marry him, barring some deep psychological issues on her part.

So, I guess what I'm saying its not a healthy love affair no matter how you look at it. And the quickie marriage kind of confirms that. This is not an act of rational beings.

 
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Obi-Can  844 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2/02 5:17pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
About Padme's romantic experience: To me, the little picnic scene where Anakin asks her about boyfriends and she says she only had the one crush when she was 12 (!) indicated that there has been NO romantic attachments in her life since then. Between 12 and 24 is a long time! And just the way she talked about Palo indicated an immature crush. ("He had dreamy eyes.") So, JMO, but I seriously think Ani was the first guy in her life for many, MANY years.

I hate to do double posts, but I'm catching up and responding as I go.

I dont think they say what they are discussing. I took it like who was your first love. I agree with Shadow-jedi. I think Padme is supposed to be very sophisticated and experienced, maybe not sexually but romantically. I caught a little something between her and Bail Organa. And how MANY years can it be, she's only 23-24?

 
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Jedi_Chai  183 posts
Registered: May '02
6130_Obi-Wan Kenobi
Date Posted: 7/2/02 5:31pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
2) Went to an actual SW convention back in 1997 so I could get autographs from David Prowse, Kenny Baker, Jeremy Bullock, Peter Matthew, and Warwick Davis. Also to meet another SW hero of mine, Stephen Sansweet, the guy who wrote all the first collectors guides? He got a job at Lucasfilm, just by being the worlds most insane SW collector of all time.


OT but: You probably already know this but you can see Steve Sansweet in AotC. He's the goateed Jedi that tosses a lightsaber to Obi-Wan/Anakin in the arena.

AotC Count: 25 (Digital: 21)
TPM Count: 26 **final**

 

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Scruffy-looking  892 posts
Registered: May '02
17282_Obi-Wan Kenobi
Date Posted: 7/2/02 5:45pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Hi everyone, just wanted to say the discussions here have been pretty interesting; sometimes heated, but always interesting. For newer viewers, you might be interested in checking out the responses--many by participants here--in a related thread:

A Woman's view of Padme, Tragic figure, heroine, victim or something else

I don't like to bump threads, so I included a link here instead. Lots of interesting views about Padme & her relationship with Anakin (and speculation of her ultimate fate).

Enjoy!

 
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MASTER-WINDU  398 posts
Registered: Jun '02
6907_Anakin and Padme
Date Posted: 7/2/02 5:50pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
"GASP!" So many things to read, so little time to do it!

Hi everyone! Can't stay long because we have a really hectic day at the office, so I will have to read and absorb all your thoughts later, but I just wanted to make this comment to Luke-Cash's "I would take women a heck of a lot more seriously if they actually MEANT that they would take a normal guy without the porsche, or rolex, or whatever."

Well, my friend, let me tell you a bit about the male friend I mentioned a few posts back. We've known each other for about 20 years now, and we met when I was in college and he was in pre-med. He was, by his own description, something of a nerd, certainly not male-model material, although he's rather tall (5 feet 10 inches). His teeth could've used a good orthodontist, but that would've meant giving up a semester of pre-med, so you can guess which he chose. He had a funny, Beatles-ish haircut in those days, would commute to school every day (about 15 to 20 kms, I'd say), and would sometimes say that he wished he could buy better shoes because he has flat feet.

He went to med school on a scholarship and graduated at the top of his class. He's now a surgeon, and could've gone to work at any of our fancy private hospitals, but he consults at three public hospitals where most of his patients are either from some of the "poorer" sections of the city, or from the rural areas -- most of the time, he doesn't charge a single cent. He did, however, marry a wonderful girl and they now have three children. He drives a 7-year old Honda which, the last time I saw it some weeks ago, had a scratch and a dent along one side that hadn't been repaired because he doesn't have the time or the budget to get it fixed just yet. He's usually dressed in jeans and a sportshirt, because he reserves his few neckties for special occasions. And yes, he doesn't have a rolex.

Throughout our almost 20-year friendship, he's been a shoulder to cry on, a real comedian, a big brother, father-confessor, movie critic, music critic, you name it -- he's never passed judgement on anything I say, gives me a different perspective on my ideas, knows how to argue with me without getting my temper up, and when my dad needed a blood donation, arrived at my doorstep within 15 minutes to donate his blood. One day, when I asked him why bad things sometimes happen to good people, he told me, "When you've seen as much suffering as I have, you learn just how important your faith in God is, because if you didn't believe that God has a good reason for everything that happens in this world -- even the bad stuff -- you'd go nuts." I have learned so much from my friend, and I only wish that I had given half as much to him as he's given to me. You may say that I love this man, and I guess I do, and if he had chosen to cross the line of friendship with me, I would've happily done the same, except that he fell in love and married someone else.

So yes, Luke-Cash, we do take the normal guys -- the "princes among men" -- over the guys with the rolex, the porsche and the expense account. Trust me on this.

That being said, this is it for now, got to get back to work. Zam, Happy Place, thanks for the compliments. I am humbled that you like what I write. And to those who don't exactly agree with me, thanks for giving me different perspectives on my thoughts. That's the beauty of having different opinions, yes? happy

 

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IamZam  2361 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2/02 5:54pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Finally, in regards to the ladies discussion on age/maturity/gender identities in liking the love story, I would say that though older ladies would probably like the story more than guys in general, I think it depends more on sensitivity and romanticism. I have met many younger men who were very mature and I have met older women who didn't know anything about life. Some people cannot be "judged" by their age or gender b/c many don't act within that stereotype.

Many stereotypes exist for a reason, but you are quite right. There are more exceptions than rules, and one size does not fit all, at most it fits some..

I don't see her as being romatically experienced at all. She has been too busy running a planet to have time for such things. And as for Bail - I'll look again, but I dont see it. She was 14 in TPM and is supposed to be 24 here. Its not a streach to think she's has better things to do. She is lonely and wants the family life, but obviously she isn't going to get it.

As for the Meadow scene, it never really says, but I get the feeling it was probably something like " have you had any boyfriends or liked anybody?".. And the way she described him, (dark hair Dreamy eyes...) She was clearly teasing and messing with Anakin. Another sign of someone who is more than casually intersted.
She also freaks when she thinks he is really hurt, and when he turns out to be teasing she is in as many giggles as he is..

AS to Anakin viewing her as a trophy. If that were the case. HE wouldn't treat her with such reverence and respect. HE would be oogling and hey baby. He doesn't. HE looks destroyed when she says they can't. He doesn't kiss her like some one wanting to own her, he kisses her like someone who can't believe she is actually returning the favor. He treats her with respect, and reverence. HE respects her wishes. HE thinks of her before himself. That is love, not just
some teenage boy, with hormone problems.



 

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Scruffy-looking  892 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2/02 6:20pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
AS to Anakin viewing her as a trophy. If that were the case. HE wouldn't treat her with such reverence and respect. HE would be oogling and hey baby. He doesn't. HE looks destroyed when she says they can't. He doesn't kiss her like some one wanting to own her, he kisses her like someone who can't believe she is actually returning the favor. He treats her with respect, and reverence. HE respects her wishes. HE thinks of her before himself. That is love, not just some teenage boy, with hormone problems.

Perfectly said, which makes it all the more sad what's in store. sad

I'm no longer confident in my thoughts about what will happen in Ep 3. How does one reconcile the love Anakin has for Padme, with his fall to the dark side? I know GL says that part of the reason is that he's afraid of losing things. Well, who here wouldn't fear losing their spouse? For most people, they don't turn into demonic killers like Vader even if they do lose their loved ones in real life. I suppose the bitter truth is, people can and do stop loving each other. Likely Padme will be forced to turn from Anakin because he turns to evil, but his turn to evil is evidence that in some wat, Anakin himself has decided to stop loving Padme. Instead of her, perhaps he now "falls" in love with the power that Palpatine offers? Eww!

It's a real dilemma: if his love for Padme is genuine, something must happen in Ep 3 that tears them apart. Anakin/Vader will end up hurting her and a lot of other people, which will make it very hard to be sympathetic to Anakin in RotJ. On the other hand, if his dark impulses are ultimately what's driving his love for Padme, then there never was anything real about it in the first place.

Either way, the end will be very ugly.

 
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IamZam  2361 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2/02 6:30pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
I suppose the bitter truth is, people can and do stop loving each other. Likely Padme will be forced to turn from Anakin because he turns to evil, but his turn to evil is evidence that in some wat, Anakin himself has decided to stop loving Padme. Instead of her, perhaps he now "falls" in love with the power that Palpatine offers? Eww!

WEll its been said by George, though I cant find where, that we will all (supposedly) feel very bad for Anakin by the end of EPIII. So I just can't see that happening. I want to feel vindicated when he returns at the end of ROTJ. HE is not the ultimate evil villian. He is a fallen hero, turned villian. In order for his redemption to work, we have to NOT want him to fall. Too many fans I fear expect him to be Damien the Omen and be a totally hateful, purely evil person with no redeeming qualities. He is not that kind of villian. He is not the villian we are all supposed to hate (that's Sids job). He is the villian we are supposed to feel for, supposed to cry when he falls, and want to yell at him "Anakin Anakin nooooo, dont' do it"

He wasnt' born evil, he became evil. he choose the path.. for reasons we dont' know yet..

 

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Jedi_Lyn  167 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2/02 6:32pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
scruffy: exactly like you said, it is how the love story gonna end that intrigues us. we can see Anakin turns to vader with no problem---except how he is going to be vader in front of padme. the dark side is powerful and consuming. would it consume his love as well? for a lesser man in love i can see. but ...

i still suspect obiwan would push him over. if your guardian for 10 years make you lose half of your body parts, for no good reason TO YOU at all, you'll wanna be vader.

maybe they will make it an avalance for Anakin, so he blames the jedi order for loss of his mom, loss of padme and loss of his chunks. that will do.

 

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MASTER-WINDU  398 posts
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Date Posted: 7/2/02 6:32pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Just a quick note ...

Hey, Anakin-Player!

So sorry, I didn't mean to give you the impression that I wanted to "destroy" your arguments! Just wanted to give a different view! happy

Will wait to read your thoughts later. Good luck with the research paper. cool Did my thesis 6 years ago, and had quite a few sleepless nights typing away.

Until much later ...

 

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jedi-ES  1649 posts
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14853_Anakin and Padme
Date Posted: 7/2/02 6:34pm Subject: RE: **Official** Love Story discussion thread.
Anakin is not going to stop loving Padme. I think that if you truly hear what Palpy, Dooku, and Anakin say, I fear you will know what the fate of Padme and their marriage will be. I don't want to be a spoiler,so I will leave me ultimat opinion to myself, but GL has said that Anakin has a problem with attachments, case in point - his mother in AOTC.

 

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