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tnt Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:12pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	>>Palpatine sensed the disturbance in the force because Vader was having a family moment at that point. HE (palpy) has a bond with Vader -- master and apprentice.<< He senses everything Vader does? In ROTJ somethings slipped right under his nose. Bwahahahaha!! -----signature----- RIP clone theory 1998 - 2003
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:13pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	OH BEHAVE, Sherlock Holmes coulda figured out something was wrong as well. Does it say, "And I Yoda, suddenly sensed the dark side in Palpatine and proceeded to raise a grisly green eyebrow at him?" Believe me, I was a cloner for many pages in that thread but eventually the identical balconies thing got me.
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obhavekenobi78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:15pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	OK, let me clarify: Yoda DOES sense something from Palpatine. I don't think anyone here will argue that. We all saw the look he shot him. There is NO emotional bond there. So....If Palpatine is Sidious, would he be daft/bold enough to use his power right in front of Yoda. Hard to see the dark side is, but I wouldn't take such a risk. Do you think he would? -----signature----- I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused.
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Verry Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:15pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Yes, the whole "my sun is there" and palps replies" i didn't sense him, are you sure, funny that i have not" It's like that, not exactly, Vader senses him, and Palpatine doesn't really even believe him.
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:15pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Point to TNT! Some non-cloner, please address TNT's question.
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:17pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread* - Date Edited: 6/7/02 12:20pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Odious
	Und is my heroine(except for that edit she did while I wasn't looking. Now I look crazy). Very, I can't believe that I didn't put this on post 2. OK, get very close to your screen. If Sidious has a clone named palpy, and he has that clone gain all the political power there is, it would be for the following reason: TO TAKE HIS NAME! HE'D TAKE HIS NAME! THEN HIS NAME WOULD BE PALPATINE. EMPORER PALPATINE. JUST LIKE IN ROTJ. HIS NAME WOULD BE PALPATINE. SIDIOUS WOULD TAKE THE NAME PALPATINE. Also, you misheard Dooku's statement. He didn't say that a sith was in the senate, he said a sith was running the senate. Which Sidious would be doing, through his clone Palpy. Also, how is it like a mystery without all of the clues? Its only two thirds done, and we've all seen the possibility. Darth Mischevious, thanksforpostinghaveaniceday foxbat, I didn't say palpy couldn't be a sith, i just said that he wasn't. Too risky.
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obhavekenobi78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:22pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Darth_Odious is right. Palpatine being a Sith would be very risky, the point I was making above. It would almost be daft. Hanging out with Yoda, Mace, and the rest of the Council would take some serious clouding. But then again (here it comes): "The Dark Side clouds everything"!! Don't hit me <----ducking and cringing -----signature----- I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused.
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Verry Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:26pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	I know, it's perfectly possible, but the Audience would be cheated. IT's not a fair answere. It's kinda like pulling something out of your ass. It could be like that, but it's stupid. ' and ah, i don't like being made fun of.
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:28pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread* - Date Edited: 6/7/02 12:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Odious
	I don't think I addressed the need for the clone in the first two posts. 2 reasons: 1) Time. Political manuevering takes time. Training sith who can kill jedi MASTERS takes time. 2) Risk. Why risk yourself, as opposed to a clone you control? Now, back to the discussion, regarding the nebulous ability to detect force users, why risk detection by sitting right in front of the jedi when you could have another do that? Now, anyone who wants to bring up jedi reading the clone's mind, read post 2.
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obhavekenobi78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:30pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	One more time: Palpatine is Sidious' and The Monkey Woman's (from ESB) love child. -----signature----- I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused.
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tnt Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:32pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	>>I know, it's perfectly possible, but the Audience would be cheated.<< I think the audience would say "What the hell was that all about?" -----signature----- RIP clone theory 1998 - 2003
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:33pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	ob, (Completely ignoring the monkey woman theory) No, Yoda LOOKED SUSPICIOUSLY at palpy in that scene. That is all we know, and, in my mind, it is one of the finest moments of CGI "acting" yet to be achieved. That's all we know.
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Verry Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:34pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	THEY"RE SITH!!!! only sith Know of jedi's weakness. IT's clouded their minds. Just because your an evil Jedi, doesn't make you a sith. That's what's so special. The sith know they're weakness. Theyve perfected it for 4 thousand years!!!!! They're not just evil dark Jedi, they're much more than that.
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obhavekenobi78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:38pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Everyone ignores the Monkey Woman theory! We could proably debate it as heavily as the current subject (ok, maybe not). Anyway, I would agree with you on all you Yoda point (Acting, suspicious glance). I think the real point to ask about that scene is not if Yoda sensed something or was suspicious, but if Palpatine used the Force to finish the sentence. It was done very pointedly (and thus awkwardly IMO) to show that SOMETHING happened. So, do you think he did use the Force and if so, does he know he is doing it? -----signature----- I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused.
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foxbatkllr Title: SDFF VIP Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 6/7/02 12:40pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread* - Date Edited: 6/7/02 12:44pm (1 edits total) Edited By: foxbatkllr
	Training sith who can kill jedi MASTERS takes time. Just for the record, none of Sidious' apprentices have killed a Jedi Master on screen. Supposedly Vader will kill some Jedi Masters but by that time Sidious' will probably either have killed Palpatine or revealed himself as Palpatine (whichever u believe) and will no longer have to be working behind peoples' backs. -----signature----- Final Ranking: ROTS, ESB, AOTC, ANH, TPM, ROTJ
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