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***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
foxbatkllr
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Jul '01
Date Posted:
6/7/02 1:05pm
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
SW.com also says that MOST of the seats on the council are Jedi Masters, not ALL of them. That's what it says if you look up Jedi Order. Anyways, it appears Qui-Gon probably did achieve the status of Jedi Master so you were right.
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darth-sinister
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6/7/02 1:06pm
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
Now you're being silly.
Obi-wan is a Master in name only. He has not reached that next level. He's a Knight. Qui-gon was a Master and died as such.
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Something, something, something complete."
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obhavekenobi78
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6/7/02 1:07pm
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
ooooooooooooooohhhhhh
Sifo-Dyas
let's not go there, please <---begging
BTW Zam Wessel impersonated Sifo-Dyas, try not to post you rebuttle.
don't do it. I know you want to.
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Darth_Odious
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6/7/02 1:11pm
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
Actually, if the clone messed up, sidious might not be in all that much trouble, but the clone would be. Look how Vader was to underlings who failed him. I can't even imagine what sidious would do.
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Darth_Odious
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
OB,
What, you're saying that zam and qui gon are different people? Please save your crazy theories for your own time, this forum is all about fact.
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obhavekenobi78
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6/7/02 1:15pm
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
Answer
to why people call Obi-Wan "Master"
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obhavekenobi78
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6/7/02 1:18pm
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
My sincerest apologies Lord Odious,
I guess maybe we can hope to see what Sidious would do to a failed apprentice. Total speculation follows: We may see him dispose of Dooku. (makes me giddy)
Anyway, to clone or not to clone, that IS the question.
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Undomiel
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6/7/02 1:23pm
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
ROFL! This thread keeps getting sillier by the minute. I love it.
Lord Odious,
Pardon my brief intermission, however, my presence was required elsewhere, whilst I cleaned the family vehicle in preparation for the arrival of the dreaded (but actually quite wonderful) mother-in-law.
OH BEHAVE,
To quote a wee bit of the Star Trek, "You have a singular wit." I like it!
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LukeDuff
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This is the one thing that makes me think that Palp<>Sidious:
Given that Senator Palpatine and Master Sifo-Dyas were contemporaries,
if Sidious is Sifo-Dyas,
then he cannot also be Senator Palpatine.
I can't see how it'd be possible for a guy to be a senator, a Jedi, and a Sith lord at the same time.
Of course whether Sidious is Sifo-Dyas is debatable (I guess). IMHO, Sifo-Dyas *is* Sidious. The names remind me of what GL did with Obi-wan Kenobi and Old Ben Kenobi. Same person, two different but similar sounding names.
People that were reading spy reports before AOTC came out know that the script used to have the name SiDo-Dyas, which is even closer to Sidious.
If someone went up to Sidious and called him "Sifo-Dyas" he'd probably reply "Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long long time."
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obhavekenobi78
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6/7/02 1:35pm
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
Hey, why stop at just one clone?
I would keep a bunch of them on ice. If push came to shove with those crazy Jedi, it's thaw time baby!
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Darth_Odious
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6/7/02 1:46pm
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
Und,
Ah, the mother in law. I've got one of those. Mine makes great dumplings.(She cooks them, we don't make dumplings out of my mother in law, that would be illegal, and anyways, she's probably too tough for that).
So, now this is the "palpatine is Sidious who is sifo-dyas is qui gon thread"?
Und, I forgot to put that sidious would take Palpatine's name in post two.
At least we minimized the number of repeat questions.
Wait a second, you played a jedi mind trick on me! Sure, we ought to make an official thread, capture all the crucial elements in the first few posts, have the mods lock the original thread, great idea. But who does all the work? Me!
I'm apparently Und's clone whipping boy. She's gonna kill me at the end of the thread and assume my name. And my credit card debt. Actually, that's a pretty good deal.
Thanks Und!
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RogueTrader
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6/7/02 1:53pm
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Like the new thread. Sad to see the cloners running things.
How about this.
The scene in AOTC with Anakin and Palpatine talking. Oh that crazy clone. Throwing little suggestions and clouding Anakin's mind with things like "you don't need guidance, Anakin".
So now all you clone boys are going to tell me Sidious has Palpatine recruiting potential apprentices.
You do realize that this scene and the scene where Palpatine and Anakin interact at the end of TPM would be pointless if he's just a clone.
Talk about destroying all the cool foreshadowing.
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Undomiel
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Odious,
Credit cards are good. See I figure, once I pay them off just enough to satisfy the requirements, I'll be able to go to Tahiti, buy a new swimsuit, and a full time masseuse (mmm, scented body oils), charge it all to your credit cards and you STILL end up paying the bill. Meantime, I get to go on vacation, get a tropical tan, and end up luscious and sweet smelling. Perhaps I'll even be able to fit into Leia's metal bikini!! Oh the possibilities. Whilst you, well you spend the rest of your days paying off the cc's and looking like something akin to a cross between a cracked dinosaur egg and (oddly enough!!!) Darth Vader after the Emperor microwaved him.
In reality, my mom in law is a great, great woman and is an awesome cook as well. I love dumplings! Does she have a secret recipe? (Most mom-in-laws do. They don't want their male children to have no reason to visit home once inawhile for some of mom's delectable homecooking. hehehe)
Anyway, did we decide if Palpy is a clone or just a real good shakespearan actor?
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obhavekenobi78
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6/7/02 1:57pm
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RE: ***The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread***
Most grateful to be sure, Master Undomiel.
Darth Odious,
I think that the new thread was a good idea, the old one kept recycling old ideas.
Anyway,
If Sidious and Palpatine are clones, how come they are not detected by other Force users?
HAHA- Wait...How come Palpatine's eyes aren't Yellow...huh...huh...huh
Yes, I am the king of reredundundandancycy
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Darth_Odious
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6/7/02 2:00pm
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Darth_Odious
Rogue,
No, they wouldn't be pointless. Does someone need to be a sith to teach selfishness, arrogance, etc? Not really.
Remember, those scenes were not sith training. And, anyway, if George was planning on a clone twist(and remember, it would be a twist specifically FOR the hardcore star wars fans, as the casual viewer sees the two characters as being different, anyway), then that sort of trick would do it just fine.
Another poster referred to the clone idea being like a mystery you don't know the details of. What about ESB? The end of that movie involved the twist, and there is no way we could have guessed it ahead of time, because the info wasn't there. Yet we enjoyed it.
BTW, GL got a bit of flack from the critics for the "Luke, I AM your father" thing. On the surface, it is soap opera-esque. Yet, in ESB, its perfect.
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