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tnt Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:01pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	>>You do realize that this scene and the scene where Palpatine and Anakin interact at the end of TPM would be pointless if he's just a clone.<< "We will be watching your career with great interest" See it's obvious that he's the clone. -----signature----- RIP clone theory 1998 - 2003
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obhavekenobi78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:03pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	"No, I am your father." -----signature----- I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused.
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:09pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Und, Geez, you are truly evil. Is it all right if I borrow one of the cards to get some gruel? A little more on topic. Am I correct that Rick McCullum[sp?] said his bit about the clone thing in 99? So, that's three years ago. How many years is that in Kenobi Brother years? Is that the amount of time it takes to make one sequel trilogy? Or is that like four Aura Sing cameos? I'm just being cheeky.
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:09pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	TNT, I said the same thing!! "WE"? "WE" who? Palpy and the guy standing next to him? Palpy and the entire senate? Palpy and Amidala? What "WE" does he mean, eh? Sounds rather sithy to me!
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:13pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	I didn't even notice that! Nice one, tnt.
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:14pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Odious, Well okay, I'll send you a postcard. Better? (Actually, I live in Florida and can go outside and get a tan whenever I want, I just thought the whole Tahiti thing sounded silly enough to pass for a decent addition to the silliness which already abounds here). That and the meds the doc put me on make me extremely silly and gabby. So I'm particularly enjoying the humor and wit hereabouts. Forgive.
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:16pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	You know, before today, I enjoyed discussing this, but now its so much better, now that its official. BTW, yes, my mother-in-law's dumplings are one of those secret recipes. She won't even let me watch. mmmmm...dumplings...
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tnt Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:16pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	I think he meant the Senate and the Jedi Council. But what he REALLY meant was the Sith would be eyeing him up as a potential recruit. Still doesn't make Palpatine a clone though. Bwahaha! -----signature----- RIP clone theory 1998 - 2003
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obhavekenobi78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:17pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	The "WE" that he is referring to is the infamous Japor Snippet that he lifted from Padme. He kind of talks with it like its his buddy. The Senate Chambers can be a cold and lonely place and he just needed some comfort. This also shores up the reason why we did not see the snippet in AOTC. My preciousssssssssss -----signature----- I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused.
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Yaddle12 Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:20pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	I am convinced that Palpatine is a Sith. I am not saying that the Emperor in RotJ is a Sith, we all know that. I am saying Supreme Chancellor Palpatine is a Sith. The same guy who was Senator Palpatine. The reason is this: Yoda says the dark side is clouding everything. Mace Windu says that the Jedi's ability to use the Force is diminished. How can this be? What could be clouding the Jedi's minds and ability to use the force? It can't be Sidious, he is never around the Jedi. Only Palpatine, who is around the Jedi alot and is near the Jedi Temple could be clouding their minds. Now, I am someone who happens to believe that Palpatine and Sidious are the same being, but one thing is for sure, they are both Sith, whether they are the same person or not. Since Dooku is a Sith as well, that means Palpy = Sid, otherwise the rule of two is broken.
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RogueTrader Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:20pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	No, I don't think the hard core fans will be pleased. In fact, if this were to happen I'd stand up in the theater and shout "They just ruined Palpatine!" I'm telling everyone reading this post right now that the biggest flaw in this debate is that we are not taking in to account what it will be like for the average movie goer. We're being shortsighted. this is where the cloners scoff Generations from now people will still be watching them. And in order (1-6). It will be a cool revelation for those finding out that the Chancellor was the Sith master all along. That's the big twist! Stop thinking like a hardcore for a second. Think like the masses. And think of how viewers will see the movies in the future. This is a repeated statement but it is SO very, very true. To make Palpatine a clone would be a side story that isn't necessary, wastes screen time, and is actually less dramatic all around than making him the same guy. Who on Earth would opt for something LESS effective? I can't speak for any of you, but for years, I've always wanted to see Palpatine come to power. Not Sidious kill Palpatine, take his name and then come to power. -----signature----- Have you asked Emos-Edud about his clone theory lately? Have you asked Darth Howell III about his ghost & spycam lately?
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:22pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Actually, tnt, if he refers to the sith in the plural, while there's only one sith at the time he says that, he's got worse problems than the fact that he forgot to get a clone for his coup. HE'S KAAAWAAAAAAZY. Has anyone noticed that, while the old thread was often hostile, and sometimes scholarly in mood, this thread is silly? Are the other official threads like this?
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obhavekenobi78 Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:25pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Yaddle12, I don't think proximity has anything to do with using or sensing the force. Even if it did, Sidious is on the same planet. In ESB Yoda tells how he has watched Luke growing up....from Dagobah! Pretty far off, I would say. -----signature----- I apologize for any incontinence this may have caused.
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Undomiel Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:27pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Well let's show it from another perspective. Do we want future generations to see the jedi not only stomped and trounced thoroughly, but completely humiliated just so some overpowered sith lord can smile when he eats his cheerios in the morning? heh
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Darth_Odious Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 6/7/02 2:28pm Subject: RE: *The Official "Is Palpatine Sidious?" Debate Thread*
	Rogue, But if they watch it in order to be tricked by the emporer's rise to power, then they will totally miss out on the surprise of Luke being Vader's son, and seeing as Vader and Luke are more central characters, should you ruin this twist in order to stress the Emporer's character? Me, personally, I hope he writes the series to be seen 4-6, THEN 1-3.
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