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homeless_jedi
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6/22/02 11:56pm
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ok solo. i will go over a few things.
1.he has a purple lightsaber. blue+red= purple.
this could mean he is in between, like dooku.
2.he set a trap for all the jedi. knowing they were all going to die. he knew he had no chance against count dooku. i am not saying he is working with dooku, maybe he is, and thats why he didnt kill him. he is also working for sidious. seems that sidious is using dooku and mace at the same time.
3.he denies the return of the sith, he denies the force, saying its diminishing. he denies the facts most of the times. he is rebellious and angry. that is not a sign of a jedi. he denies dooku is a sith. very clever
4.he uses the sith style of fighting. his lightsaber looks like maul's saber.
5. he spy's on yoda. wondering what he is doing. he is working for someone other than the sith. we all know how jedi can seem faithful, but remember if qui-gon was still alive he would be working for dooku. i can assure you that.
6. the jedi council is based on the bibble's judeo-christian aposteles. juda was one of the traitors. it seems that the jedi also contains 12 members based upon them
the traitor has to be a part of the council. not anakin or other jedi but a member.
and we all know yoda is not the traitor. that is common sense, I think most of you have seen empire.
7. some speculate he is related to lando. lando betrayed his best friend. it runs in the family.
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Lessa
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Hmmm...what, exactly, is the basis for Mace being related to Lando?
I don't see much proof for Mace as the traitor. Perhaps the most convincing is the apostle thing. We all know how GL luuuuuvs his myths and parallels and whatnot. 
The idea as the traitor as part of the council is interesting...but then, again, who is this traitor betraying? Anakin, who is on the dark path already. It seems to me like this "traitor" would actually be a hero, then.
Unless, of course, Anakin is just being tempted or something, and this traitor pushes him over the edge, firmly onto the Dark Side.
But, um, why can't that Q-tip guy be the traitor, then? 
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homeless_jedi
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I think that mace windu fights yoda in episode 3. sam jackson said he wanted to go out with a bang. take it literally if you want.
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Darth-Solo
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That's more like it,but I'm sure that many will and have argued their views about your thoughts. The best that I think you've come up with is the "leading the Jedi to their doom" angle. The Lando thing isn't very credible. The purple lightsabre? If it was so strange to have it,why didn't Yoda or any other Jedi investigate the matter. As far as denying the force, I thought that he was acknowledging that they were losing their grip on the force(which Yoda was in agreement with)not denying the force. The 12 apostle theory is ok,but there's mace and 10 others who could be the traitor in the council. As far as him spying on Yoda, I didn't notice this happening. Do you say that because he was in Yoda's presence? More weight is added to the theory that he was around Yoda a lot because they were leaders of the Jedi,worked in the same building,had many troubling concerns that they needed to consult with one another about. It makes more sense than he was really spying. It's cool that you have conviction about your theories. I personally think Qui-Gon was involved in some dirty stuff before he died. Mace on the other hand, I think he is a great warrior that is very noble(albeit full of himself)and I think he will meet his end in grand fashion.
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1. Sam Jackson requested a purple lightsaber to stand out among the hundreds of nameless extras in the film.
2. No evidence that Mace has set the trap. This is wild speculation, as it is clear that Dooku set the trap.
3. He does not deny the force. He realizes that his ability to see the future has diminished, as does Yoda. He is not rebellious or angry, you have once again fabricated evidence. Mace does not deny that Dooku is a Sith; he does not believe that Dooku arranged for Padme's assassination. You don't pay attention, do you?
4. He does not use a Sith style of fighting. His lightsaber does not look like Maul's.
5. No evidence of spying. More fabricated nonsense.
6. It is inspired in PART by the Apostles, but not exclusively. Again, drawing a possible analogy to a mythical story is NOT evidence.
7. Speculation is not evidence. Try again.
Please watch Attack of the Clones again WITHOUT your BS-vision.
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Sturm Antilles
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Here's the link to my 'Mace is a traitor' thread in 3SA. Unlike the one here, I don't present my initial theory as "evidence" but instead offer my speculations on the possibility of it based on scenes in TPM and AotC.
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homeless_jedi;
So now I'm flaming because I don't agree? Or is it because I keep insisting that you haven't posted one single thing that even resembles PROOF? Anyway, you'd better get down to the proof soon instead of saying I'm flaming you. You haven't even responded to my comments on page 1 yet, so you don't have any right to be annoyed.
Let's have a look at your latest "proof" ---
1 - "He has a purple lightsaber". This won't make him a Sith no matter how many times you repeat it. Like I said on page 1 (and for which some folks here still call me a racist because they can't read long sentences...), saying that is as smart as saying he's bad because he's black. If you paid attention to anything that's been said by Lucas or Jackson you would know that Lucas intended to give him a blue saber. Jackson asked for purple and got it. The colour means NOTHING but that Jackson wanted his own colour. But don't accept the story - oh, no - find the REAL meaning behind the colour, you must. Yes, yes. 
2 - "He set a trap for all the Jedi". By going to rescue Obi-Wan and oppose the Separatist army? Once again you're making it clear that you think Jedi should stay in the Temple and don't get involved in conflicts. Why exactly do you think they should stay home? You seem to keep ignoring the obvious.
And why didn't he kill Dooku? The first thing that springs to mind for you is that he's working for Sidious. But you don't give any thought to the fact that Dooku is seemingly leading the Separatist movement which is also clouded in the dark side of the Force. Added to the fact that Dooku was a respected Jedi just 10 years earlier, this means that the Jedi will want to get him alive. Kenobi doesn't want to kill Dooku either, but I don't hear anyone saying this means he must be a Sith. Oh, and Jango fires flames at Windu when he confronts Dooku. What you do then is get out of there. You don't stay to kill anyone.
3 - "He denies the return of the Sith". For the millionth time in this thread - so does Ki Adi Mundi. And by the way, Mace doesn't deny anything - he says he doesn't believe the Sith could have returned without the Jedi knowing. He is suggesting something based on personal beliefs. If you keep insisting this guy is working for Sidious you should consider the fact that him trying to cover up the return of the Sith doesn't match Sidious' plans for revealing the Sith to the Jedi at all.
"He denies the Force". No. He never does any such thing. BS.
"He denies the facts most of the time". Tell me when and how.
"He is rebellious and angry". BS again. He is one of the 2 most conservative followers of the Jedi Code, and he doesn't go on the offensive until he has no other choice.
"He denies Dooku is a Sith". BS once again. Nobody ever says or implies that Dooku is a Sith. Yoda senses the dark side in Dooku. That's all that is ever said on the matter. You are completely making this up.
"He uses the Sith style of fighting". At least show us some kind of source.
5 - "He spies on Yoda, wondering what he's doing". Once again you're completely ignoring the bleedingly obvious. One of the leading members of the Council wanting to stay tuned to what the other leading member is up to? Oh, he must surely be a Sith. (That was a bucket of sarcasm). Are you seriously saying that what Yoda is up to in the Temple is none of Windu's business?
"Remember if Qui-Gon was still alive he would be working for Dooku, I can assure you of that". Oh, thank you very much, mr Lucas.
Point 6 is interesting speculation, but nowhere near proof.
7 - The Lando connection is pure and wild speculation based on the fact that Sam Jackson is black and nothing else. If that was a white actor, you wouldn't even be thinking it.
Get off your bottom and post proof. Or stop saying proof and call it speculation, and I'll be happy to get off your back about this.
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Jenakin
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I didn't read all of these posts, so I apologize if someone may have said this already, but if Mace is evil, I doubt Jackson would know it yet, so he wouldn't make a concious decision to evil up the acting. Do you think Lucas took James Earl Jones aside before A New Hope and said, "Hey, just in case we do a sequel, try to sound a little...paternal." Doubtful. I did notice an odd camera angle emphasizing Mace's face in Palpatine's office, but that could have meant anything. So I don't think anyone should claim "proof" of this until Episode III comes out.
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JediMaster_Sifo-Dyas
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Homeless_Jedi is just trying to make this some huge deal that will be posted and talked about all the way until ep.3. If he was a traitor all the rules of the sith must have been thrown out. This has all been said before but there is only TWO sith at a time. Lets see. First Sidous and Maul and then Sidous and Tyranus. Of course homeless jive wacko jedi will ignore this and pull some more jive a turkey nonsence from his bum. You must not read many articles with sam jackson or you will relize there is no way this is going to happen. He talks about how he personally asked lucas for a lightsaber that stood out, considering his char. in the arena battle stood out it fit him well. Also, Lucas made the prequels like noone has ever seen the orginal trilogy. Therefore, it is supposed to be a big surprise when anakin goes bad. Its not of course and there will still be on big plot twist, but lucas wouldnt make it such a lame plot twist. It will make both of the first two films lose a lot of creditabilty. Most of us are using proof to bash these statements that have no basis of proof at all. Ohh my god, a purple lightsaber, thats in the sith handbook on traitors. Homeless jedi is either 8 years old and just discovered a computer, or not pay attention during movies. One thing is for sure, he knows jack about the OT and the PT.
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Perceval
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Hm... this could be a really stupid question, but why does everyone know that there is a traitor in the jedi order ?
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JediMaster_Sifo-Dyas
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Yeah that was a really stupid question, we all know anakin is a tratior to the jedi order because we have watched the OT. Homeless jedi, if you read this make sure to go to page ten and read my domination of you.
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I'm not THAT stupid, darl ... but you all say that there has to be another one.
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Yeah, i dont say so, its going to be anakin and then i think there will be another twist. But not that another jedi will go bad, thats not common knowledge yet, so i guess you arnt that stupid.
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Perceval
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Ok, thanks
I thought I had missed GL mentioning anything like that
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homeless_jedi
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sifo-dyas. I read your apparent domination. didnt seem to work on me. hmmmmm...I know about the rule of two. a master and an apprentice. but that rule is sketchy as of now. and i am sure that sidious and dooku are not the only sith in the entire galaxy at that specific time. there has to be others, either on training or retired.
as far as the traitor issue at hand. anakin is not traitor. he turns to the dark side and is almost killed. basically he dies and resurrects. considering him a dead jedi.
the traitor exits within the jedi council, any other jedi could be a traitor one way or another. but this one has to be part of the council of 12. and since all of the jedi from the council almost die. leaving just 3 or 4 it brings up the chances. mace windu has to be the traitor.
I believe these are the survivors.
adi mundi
yoda
mace windu
ploo koon.
im not sure who else.
one of these has to be the traitor. we know yoda is not one of them.that leaves 3 suspects. mace windu and the others. my guess? mace windu. see reasons above.
the traitor always seems to survive the battles.
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