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ashjedi Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 10/21/02 2:21pm Subject: Thousand years or thousand generations??? - Date Edited: 10/23/02 3:19pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RidingMyCarousel
	Can someone help me with this: Why does Palpatine says in AOTC that the republic has stood for a thousand YEARS and in ANH obi-wan says that it has stood a thousand GENERATIONS?? Thanks See last post.
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Darth Geist Registered: Oct '99	Date Posted: 10/21/02 2:35pm Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations??? - Date Edited: 10/21/02 2:36pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth Geist
	Well, you see, citizens of the Republic grow to maturity within seven to eight months, breed and die within a year. The Anakin you see in AOTC is actually TPM's Anakin's tenth descendant. Padme's "You'll always be that little boy I knew on Tattooine" line actually refers to her visit there last week. Or, more likely, someone just messed up. It happens. -----signature----- When George Lucas was in his early twenties, he was wrecking his health in the burning Tunisian desert, risking a new and fragile career on a movie no one believed in. When I was in my early twenties, I was complaining on the Internet about George Lucas.
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IEatPoodoo Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 10/21/02 3:11pm Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	Someone should ask McCallum on the official site... -----signature----- I'm shoe, but I'm sandal I'm cellphone, but I'm cups on a string I'm book, but I'm pamphlet, BABY! [Norm MacDonald] Hey, uh... you got a weiner dog... hangin' from your neck, there... [/Norm MacDonald]
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Lars_Muul Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 10/21/02 3:14pm Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	The Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice for a thousand generations. My guess is that the Republic has been at peace for a thousand years and that is what Palpy is referring to.
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Go-Mer-Tonic Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 10/21/02 3:57pm Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	The Jedi order predates the Old Republic. -----signature----- "...that’s not my job, to make people like my movies. They either like them or they don’t. That’s completely out of my hands.” -Lucas "At least I will have finished what I set out to do, and at least they will have been good to me." -Lucas
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ST-TPM-ASF-TNE Title: Moderator Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/21/02 4:08pm Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	Because, that's Obi-Wan's point of view -----signature----- Angela Why so serious?
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IEatPoodoo Registered: Aug '00	Date Posted: 10/21/02 9:24pm Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	Obi-Wan says that the Jedi were the gaurdians of peace and justice in the Old Republic for a thousand generations. Sio Bibble says that there hasn't been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic. And Palpatine says the Republic has stood for a thousand years. Someone's lying... -----signature----- I'm shoe, but I'm sandal I'm cellphone, but I'm cups on a string I'm book, but I'm pamphlet, BABY! [Norm MacDonald] Hey, uh... you got a weiner dog... hangin' from your neck, there... [/Norm MacDonald]
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PalpatineAntikristos Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 10/22/02 12:00am Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	When I heard Palpy say that, I assumed he meant in the same sense that the current French government is of the Fifth Republic (founded in 1958). France had other republican constitutions before the Fifth Republic and had, of course, existed for hundreds of years prior as a monarchy. The periods between republican constitutions were punctuated by the Empire, restoration of the monarchy, restoration of the Empire, wars, invasion and an occupation. In other words, Palpatine and Sio Bibble, both politicians, may be speaking of the time since the most recent republican constitution was adopted and/or major conflict that led to a change in constitution (1,000 years). While Kenobi, a Jedi (guardian) and warrior, may be referring to the time since the instituation of the first republican form of government (1,000 generations)when the Jedi first began serving the government as guardians. So they could all be right, from a certain....Nah, I won't even bother with that cliche.
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AttackCloneYorath Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 10/22/02 2:08am Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	Come now, this is not a problem (or a plot-hole) at all!!! It is easy to explain. As Go-Mer-Tonic said, The Jedi order pre-dates the Old Republic. It was formed waaaaaay before the Republic came to be, the way it was seen in the first three episodes. There may have been fledgling Republican governments or partially war-torn parts of the Republic 1000 years prior to AOTC. When Palps says "This republic that has stood for a 1000 years" I assumed that the Republic had been at a state of TOTAL PEACE (i.e. no major conflicts) for that amount of time. The Jedi were simply there to keep the peace for 'minor' flash points (as in TPM). The Jedi had of course been around during the turbulent times 1000's of years before AOTC and were likely involved in wars to serve and protect a troubled republic. Besides, Ki-Adi-Mundi mentions that the Sith have been extinct for a 'Millenium' in TPM, could Palps also have been refering to the Republic standing for a 1000 years without any real threat such as the Sith??! About the Sio-Bible comment: "There hasn't been a FULL-SCALE war since the formation of the republic". Well, the term FULL-SCALE is the clue there. If the Republic, as seen in the prequels, was truly formed 1000 years prior to AOTC then what is wrong with there being a FULL-SCALE war at that time?? If the Republic was created many thousands of years prior to AOTC then what is wrong with the FULL-SCALE war having happened say, 10,000 years ago for arguments sake? There may have been smaller wars until 1000 years ago (to qualify Palps statement) and from then on TOTAL PEACE save for minor, isolated disputes. It makes sense if you think about it logically. NONE of these three peoples statements directly contradicts the others! They are all talking about differnet periods of their galaxys history: 1. Obi is talking about ancient Jedi lore (30,000 years say for arguments sake) to the time of Ep3. 2. Bible is talking about TOTAL-WAR at the start of the Republic(sometime after the Jedi orders creation but almost certainly more than 1000 years before AOTC). 3. Palp is talking about more recent stability or a newly fromed Republic (1000 years prior to AOTC). What say you fellow fans? Am I talking sense or not? See my way or I'll set my clones on you!! -----signature----- "Your focus determines your reality" - Qui-Gon Jin "I flamed them. I flamed them all. Not just the trolls, but the bashers and the PT haters! They're like animals and I flamed them like animals! I HATE THEM!!" - foxbatkllr, the wise! AoE Padawan
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darth-skycrawler Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 10/22/02 3:32am Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	I have had the feeling that maybe the Republic was reformed after the sith were 'destroyed'. If Return of the Jedi is anything to go by then the war to 'destroy'the sith must have been very costly. Thus the republic may have had to be reformed. I don't think that it is coincidence that Lucas has Bibble claim that there has not be a full scale war since the formation of the republic and the fact that the sith were destroye a 1000 years ago. I think that Lucas is trying to show that the Republic existed for a very long time, then the sith tried to take over 1000 years prior to TPM, everything was destroyed like the war with the empire and finally he new republic that we see in TPM was formed
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AttackCloneYorath Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 10/22/02 4:18am Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	Yes, darth-skycrawler, I think that "something" quite significant happend 1000 years prior to AOTC (hence the current Republic lasting for only 1000 years). If the Sith were made extinct at the same time then there is likely a link. Maybe the Sith at that time (still only one master and one apprentice), used an army for a direct assault on the Republic. The conflict was so great that after it had ended (with the seeming destruction of the Sith Lords), the Republic was rebuilt and that era is what Palp is reffering to as the 1000 year Republic! There was a functioning Republic before the Sith invasion but it was reformed... This could also be the FULL-SCALE war Bible aludes to... Maybe that is why all human (and alien) armies were abandoned, thereby forcing the Neimoidians to use droid armies (as well as cheap costs and obedient troops). There were no other standard armies in operation before the clone armies (YES, armies! Lama Su said they had created several) came into being. This is why the Jedi were the true guardians of peace and order in the galaxy besides the local security and malitia forces. It is a very interesting puzzle indeed. I hope they expand on this minor story thread in Episode3!!! That would be amazing (well I think so!) It is not essential to the Fall of Anakin or the story of the Skywalker family in any significant way, but it would help us understand the Jedi-Republic-Sith relationship a little better. -----signature----- "Your focus determines your reality" - Qui-Gon Jin "I flamed them. I flamed them all. Not just the trolls, but the bashers and the PT haters! They're like animals and I flamed them like animals! I HATE THEM!!" - foxbatkllr, the wise! AoE Padawan
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MobartZmuda Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 10/22/02 6:17am Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	Good explanations. It all makes sense now.
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Green_Destiny_Sword Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/22/02 6:52am Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	IEATPOODOO said: Obi-Wan says that the Jedi were the gaurdians of peace and justice in the Old Republic for a thousand generations. Sio Bibble says that there hasn't been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic. And Palpatine says the Republic has stood for a thousand years. Someone's lying... Exactly. It's just a mistake in the dialogue. There is no evidence whatsoever of a "1,000 year old Republic" or a "reformed Republic." These are both plausible explanations, but nothing indicates that in the films. And if there was all this conflict and action taking place just before the Repubic was formed, the Jedi should have a LOT of information on the Sith, but they seem to know very little about them. I always thought the "thosuands of generations" line was an error. The Jedi have been around for 30,000 + years? I don't know about that. And that would make it even more inconsistent in the OT when they are barely remembered and thought of as "hokey". This is a very very minor point though. -----signature----- "Like most things, I am nothing. It is the same for this sword, it's all simply a state of mind..." -- Li Mu Bai "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees" -- President Bush blatantly lying to America. www.downingstreetmemo.com -- The T
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Lars_Muul Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 10/22/02 6:56am Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	Why would the Jedi have a LOT of information on the Sith just because there was a great Sith war taking place right before the reformation of the Republic? Well, maybe they do have lots of info, but they sure can´t have any info on what they´ve been doing the last 1000 years(which makes you wonder how Yoda knew about the rule of 2, but that´s another story).
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Chilean_JEDI19 Registered: Oct '02	Date Posted: 10/22/02 7:22am Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	I read somewhere (don't remember right now) that Palpatine said that to "show" that we does'nt know too much about the galactic history and he is just a harmless, ignorant politician... -----signature----- La Orden... Exterminada. Las Alianzas... Rotas. La Esperanza... Perdida. El Circulo... Completo. http://www.renacimientofilm.com
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Green_Destiny_Sword Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 10/22/02 7:37am Subject: RE: Thousand years or thousand generations???
	SMAULDOOKIE-- I only say that because if the Jedi were around that long, i would assume the Sith were around a long time too, before they became 'extinct.' Thus there would be alot of information about them. And I don't know about a Sith war. Did that really happen? TPM never really says so. but either way, you'd think the Jedi would have a much larger body of knowledge than they do. No one seems to know anything about the Sith. CHILEAN-- That could be true! And it would help this make sense. If only the movies would have delved into some of this! Yes, I am a fan of Sith backstory! -----signature----- "Like most things, I am nothing. It is the same for this sword, it's all simply a state of mind..." -- Li Mu Bai "I don't think anyone anticipated the breach of the levees" -- President Bush blatantly lying to America. www.downingstreetmemo.com -- The T
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