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DamonD  14914 posts
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Date Posted: 12/27/02 8:52pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
Hey, I agree with him.

But you'd better not read this, or it'll spook you out even more.... silly

 

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Darth_Zidious  2911 posts
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19674_Jawa and Anakin
Date Posted: 12/27/02 8:54pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
Without the accompanying Force choke, I assume?

I can only perform the "Force Snark" wink (reference to televisionwithoutpity.com)

Since I should say something about the topic at hand, I would say that I'm happy Lucas is telling the story the way he wants to.

 
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RevengeofDahveed  279 posts
Registered: Nov '02
6870_Watto
Date Posted: 12/27/02 9:03pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason............... - Date Edited: 12/27/02 9:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RevengeofDahveed
so youre saying that it would be impossible for you to be dissatisfied with the PT movies as long as Lucas was/is telling "his story"? what if "his story" included the revelation that Jar Jar is actually Anakin's biological father? would that make you happy?
what about non-narrative aspects of the movie? what if Lucas told "his story", but used sock puppets instead of CGI? would that be okay?

if this is what you mean, then i can honestly say that in a sense i really envy you. sigh

 
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MachinatingMachiavel  313 posts
Registered: Jun '02
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Date Posted: 12/27/02 9:08pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason............... - Date Edited: 12/27/02 9:12pm (1 edits total) Edited By: MachinatingMachiavel
no, its not lower standards. And it's not really different standards either. The standard is different because I'm "evaluating" AOTC acting with respect to the acting of the rest of the Star Wars saga. And in terms of the intended style of it all.

Its easier to explain in the art world. Star Wars acting is a stylized painting, while regular acting (or whatever you buffs call it) is a painting done in realism. The stylized painting is great as a stylized painting. Top notch. But don't go comparing it to a realism piece because there's no place for that comparison.

Ian McD? I think I'm starting a trend here. but it makes him sound like a big mac variation.

 

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RevengeofDahveed  279 posts
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Date Posted: 12/27/02 9:14pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
i found much of the acting in the OT to be fairly modern/naturalistic (Han, Luke, Leia(even as a prisoner in ANH she spoke with "attitude"), Ben, Yoda when hes putting on Luke).

you could argue that the "formal" aspects of the PT characters profession dictates a more stilted, prim performance, but that is NOT the rationale that Lucas gives in the above quotes.

for whatever reason, the performances are VERY different in the OT and PT. but considering that there were different writers, directors, crew, actors, eras, why is this surprising? or bad? it just is.

 
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RevengeofDahveed  279 posts
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Date Posted: 12/27/02 9:16pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
and i think MUCH of ANH is very realistic/relatable to the real world.

 
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Darth_Zidious  2911 posts
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Date Posted: 12/27/02 9:25pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
so youre saying that it would be impossible for you to be dissatisfied with the PT movies as long as Lucas was/is telling "his story"?

No. I think TPM and ROTJ are the two weaker movies in the series, with AOTC being the best (I saw the originals in theaters during their initial release).

I'm happy that Lucas doesn't need to satisfy Hollywood pinheads in order to make these movies. If he had to do that, we would end up with a good series gone bad like Batman. Dropping the "serial" style because today's audiences might not like it is a very bad idea, as far as I'm concerned.

I believe much of the criticism comes because the movies have NOT changed, while the culture has. I think many people expect a "modern" version, whereas Lucas is giving it to us "old school".

I agree with the sentiment as expressed in this fine article:

The failure of many critics to understand this point — the interior rather than exterior nature of moral conflict in the Star Wars saga — probably explains why so many seem oblivious to the extremely literate qualities of the latest film. Yet once these are recognized, it becomes hard not to admire Lucas for his audacity in building such a complex six-part drama, and his willingness to face critical and popular scorn for pushing it through to its logical end.

 
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RevengeofDahveed  279 posts
Registered: Nov '02
6870_Watto
Date Posted: 12/27/02 9:32pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
i respect YOUR opinion Darth. but quotes like that are pure drivel. so please give us YOUR opinion in your own words rather than crap like that.

so long as you back up your feelings in your own words you have credibility with ME anyway. but that guy is an idiot. an idiot with a (arguably) college-level grasp of the (english) language, but an idiot nonetheless.

lets hear what YOU think from now on, k?

 
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Darth_Zidious  2911 posts
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19674_Jawa and Anakin
Date Posted: 12/27/02 9:38pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
If you want to know what I think, you can just read that entire three page article. I agree with every word of it.

 
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RevengeofDahveed  279 posts
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6870_Watto
Date Posted: 12/27/02 9:42pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
life is short. if you feel like paraphrasing in your own words ill be happy to read it.

 
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MachinatingMachiavel  313 posts
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Date Posted: 12/27/02 9:49pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
what's wrong with agreeing with what someone says and quoting them? Unless there's some other facet to your argument that has occured elsewhere on this board that I haven't read. I agree with everything in that quote. And I've said things similar to it many times. And what's wrong with the quote anyway? There are deeper levels of star wars that some critics can't see...like the ones who criticize it for its acting, or the fact that it was filmed in digital. Grantit some do see the deeper levels and still dislike it, which is fine for them, but as long as they criticize it on an equally deep level not just, "why didn't he use celluloid!?"

The fact that Star Wars generates so many conflicting opinions proves how great it is, not as a movie, but as a piece of art. Because good art breeds conflict.

 

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Darth_Zidious  2911 posts
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19674_Jawa and Anakin
Date Posted: 12/27/02 10:14pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
The fact that Star Wars generates so many conflicting opinions proves how great it is, not as a movie, but as a piece of art. Because good art breeds conflict.

Star Wars acting is a stylized painting, while regular acting...is a painting done in realism. The stylized painting is great as a stylized painting. Top notch. But don't go comparing it to a realism piece because there's no place for that comparison.

Great stuff! Can I use these quotes? wink

 
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Jack-D-Ripper  434 posts
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Date Posted: 12/27/02 11:23pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
I think it all really comes down to what the individual viewer decides what works and what doesn't work. I think the Star Wars Prequels work. I think they work very well. TPM was a slight let down for me, but I thought AOTC hit the spot beautifully. It made me fall in love with Star Wars again.

And I think the retro, 1930's style of the writing works pretty well. I don't think it would really work if it were written like a Lord of The Rings film. I like the slight camp of the films. And the originals were very much like that too.

Like I said, it all really depends on what you decide works or doesn't work.

-JDR.

 

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RevengeofDahveed  279 posts
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Date Posted: 12/27/02 11:37pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason............... - Date Edited: 12/27/02 11:45pm (2 edits total) Edited By: RevengeofDahveed
quote:

The fact that Star Wars generates so many conflicting opinions proves how great it is,

im sorry but this statement is meaningless. here are the basic opinions people have of the PT
a)great
b)good
c)fair
d)lousy
e)jaw-droppingly awful(particularly TPM)
f)who cares? theyre just stupid effects movies. shut up and eat your popcorn

none of these "proves" the greatness of a stinkburger like TPM.

and good art breeds conflict? so bad art doesnt breed conflict? again this statement is totally meaningless.

i was in the Rembrandt museum in Amsterdam a few years back. didnt see much conflict. all those art history classes and i somehow managed to miss the whole "good art breeds conflict" thing.

the sad truth is, beyond boards like this, the PT doesnt "breed" anything so much as INDIFFERENCE. if i wasnt such a diehard SW fan, and if i still didnt hold out hope for e3, i would be in this camp.

lets stick to critiquing the movies themselves and avoid sweeping and pointless generalizations about "art" of all things. sheesh.

 
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TokyoXtreme  2131 posts
Registered: Oct '01
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Date Posted: 12/28/02 12:35am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
and good art breeds conflict? so bad art doesnt breed conflict? again this statement is totally meaningless.

Yeah, it should be more like "conflict breeds good art." Like the movie that destroyed the George Lucas Star Wars baby: The Empire Strikes Back.

 

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