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DarthHomer Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 12/28/02 8:15am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	"Imagine if AOTC and TPM were made with the creative team that made ESB. Do you think they would be better than what we have today? I sure think they would be a HELLAVU lot better." But you have no way of proving that. Just as there's no way to prove that ESB would have been worse if Lucas had directed and written it on his own. For example, I personally think that Mark Hamill's reaction to Vader's confession is pretty bad acting, and that was an Irvin Kershner directed scene, not Lucas. But I don't let it spoil my enjoyment of what is otherwise a great film. Same for the prequels. It's not about the little details - it's the big picture. -----signature----- Saga from best to worst: 1. ESB 2. ANH 3. ROTS 4. AOTC 5. ROTJ 6. TPM Check out http://imaginarycinema.com - my new website about fantasy, horror and sci-fi movies
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MD-O Registered: Jul '00	Date Posted: 12/28/02 10:50am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	Cut and paste job = TPM -----signature----- After all of this star wars stuff is over lets beam up to Quarks Bar and have a couple of drinks then visit one of his holosuites.
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Durwood Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 12/28/02 11:00am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	Cut and paste job = TPM Elaborate. -----signature----- "[STAR WARS fans] all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way." -George Lucas
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 12/28/02 1:02pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason............... - Date Edited: 12/28/02 1:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthBoba
	You could put a "To be Continued" after the scene where the Jedi are about to be killed by Battle Droids, or where Anakin and Obi-Wan are at Dooku's mercy and make the whole film into a series of cliffhanger shorts. Great point, DH! There's quite a few scenes in the movie like this, including: -When Obi-Wan thinks about who would be able to identify the sabre-dart (that was a cut scene, but it could be another "to be continued" scene easily.) -When Tyranus takes Obi-Wan out of the fight. The first half of the movie feels like a '30s detective movie starring Bogart (with Obi-Wan playing the detective) and the second half is straight Flash Gordon action. It's an interesting blend. Anyway, serials like Indiana Jones and Flash Gordon are quite different from B-movies like The Blob. Serials are usually quite entertaining, done-on-the cheap movies, while B-movies usually are about as interesting as watching paint dry. Another point about how the PT is more serial-like than the OT. Look at the titles. Star Wars Episode I-The Phantom Menace Star Wars Episode II-Attack of the Clones The titles interlink more than the OT ones do in my mind; "attack of the clones" sounds far more in the same category than "A New Hope" and "The Empire Strikes Back" do. And interestingly enough, the one that people cite as the best of the OT (Empire) is the one that's most serial-like in my mind. We have Han simultaneously making fun of and hitting on Leia while calling her things like "sister" and "sweetheart", a mysterious pair of masked baddies (Boba Fett, Vader), a tremendous cliffhanger revelation at the end of the film.. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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RevengeofDahveed Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 12/29/02 4:14pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	quote: If the PT only bred indifference then why is this board filled with threads of people arguing different ways for the Pt um, if you read my post, im very careful to say "the sad truth is, BEYOND BOARDS LIKE THIS, the PT doesnt "breed" anything so much as INDIFFERENCE. if i wasnt such a diehard SW fan, and if i still didnt hold out hope for e3, i would be in this camp. " the people who post on this board and others make up a tiny tiny minority of the SW audience (duh). and there isnt even a consensus on the general quality of the PT on this fancentric MB (which of couse gives it some semblance of objective credibility). oh, and congrats for ammending your sweeping meaningless statement about "good art". its still meaningless, but more inocuous(sp).
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hawk Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 12/29/02 11:45pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	You could put a "To be Continued" after the scene where the Jedi are about to be killed by Battle Droids, or where Anakin and Obi-Wan are at Dooku's mercy and make the whole film into a series of cliffhanger shorts. You could do that with any film. -----signature----- I love you, lonely Dewback on the ridge.
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foxbatkllr Title: SDFF VIP Registered: Jul '01	Date Posted: 12/29/02 11:49pm Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	and there isnt even a consensus on the general quality of the PT Then why do you make generalizations (as if there were a consensus) such as: the sad truth is, beyond boards like this, the PT doesnt "breed" anything so much as INDIFFERENCE. ? -----signature----- Final Ranking: ROTS, ESB, AOTC, ANH, TPM, ROTJ
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JediBeowulf Registered: Feb '01	Date Posted: 12/30/02 1:38am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason............... - Date Edited: 12/30/02 1:39am (1 edits total) Edited By: JediBeowulf
	LOL! I will never tire of reading the opinions of those that believe that the acting, dialogue, etc, of the OT is somehow magically given a free ride as being "brilliant" whereas the PT is ripped to shreds because it "lacks the emotion of the OT". Comeon folks - if you're going to criticize the PT, then please, please for the love of Joe do the same with the OT. Let's not look at the OT through Rose-Colored glasses shall we? Where everything in the OT is perfect simply because we are viewing it through the windows of our youth. Anyways, keep up the good work DrE and Daewoo...you guys provide good entertainment around here!
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Durwood Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 5:40am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	Yes, yes! To JediBeowulf you listen! -----signature----- "[STAR WARS fans] all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way." -George Lucas
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Pooja Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 6:56am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason............... - Date Edited: 12/30/02 7:11am (1 edits total) Edited By: Pooja
	On Saturday mornings as a kid, I'd always look forward to waking up to watching cartoons. I missed those days until Lucas started giving me more Star Wars films, and for that I respect him. I'm getting tired of all these "good" movies like A Beautiful Mind and such that just totally lack adventure, mystery, and intrigue. It's all made for the freaking Oscars nowadays. Did I like A Beautiful Mind? Sure did. Did I enjoy Gladiator? Just fine. But nothing, nothing has come my way that has totally satisfied me and made me feel like a kid again than the recent Star Wars films. Maybe the rest of you don't feel that way, but personally I was starting to miss stuff like this.
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vladimir_imp Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 7:17am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	SW has been described as so many things. I read somewhere that it follows the structure of a western(!), a conservative judgement is that it's a science fiction movie, fans with this opinion might call it a space opera, it has been described as a modern folktale or a fable drawing on classic myths and legends, GL said that AOTC was a love story and episode III would be a tragedy, and Sam Jackson described the films as swashbuckling adventures. I once read an analysis of ANH pointing out that it contained a wizard (Obi-Wan), a knight (Luke), a princess (Leia), a castle (Death Star), jesters (C3PO/R2) and a kidnap plot where the heroic knight has to rescue the princess from the castle away from the evil dark lord (Vader). It seems to me that SW has always been influenced by Saturday morning serials whilst drawing on a wealth of myths, legends and genres. -----signature----- Never fly Ryanair - they'll leave you stranded Never fly Ryanair - they'll cancel your flight without telling you why Never fly Ryanair - you'll have to pay to get yourself home some other time Never fly Ryanair - they don't pay compensation
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Pooja Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 7:20am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	lol, nice observation. Star Wars is a little bit of everything I guess. Take that in your own way, but I think it's great. Each movie is vastly different than the other, IMO. No two episodes are near the same in my view.
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Grizham1 Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 12/30/02 7:29am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	The whole idea that the original set of starwars movies had only great acting in it, is of course way off. But it had enough good acting/dialogue interweaved into the campy acting that it was offset. The whole point of this thread is to show that many of the old influneces of the original star wars movies have fallen away by the wayside. Lucas truly only seems concerned with the roller coaster ride that starwars provides now, not the story, which is fine for some people. I happen to think it's rather sad that all these movies represent now is 'fun', the old one's represent timeless stories along with great fun, these movies lack that, as admitted by the director, they're just serial remakes now, aka just fun mindless movies. -----signature----- I Don't Like Sand Ben Affleck should have played Anakin Sarah Michelle Gellar for Padme If you think to hard, your head may explode...
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Durwood Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 7:40am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	The whole idea that the original set of starwars movies had only great acting in it, is of course way off. But it had enough good acting/dialogue interweaved into the campy acting that it was offset. The same has been said of the prequels. Lucas truly only seems concerned with the roller coaster ride that starwars provides now, not the story... I don't understand where people get this impression. In almost every Lucas interview I've ever seen or read, he always takes a lot of time to discuss the story and its influences. He is a man concerned with special effects and filmmaking technique only as far as they serve the story. In fact, Lucas rarely brags about the techniques he uses to make his movies, indicating to me that these definitely take a backseat to the story he wants to tell. I happen to think it's rather sad that all these movies represent now is 'fun', the old one's represent timeless stories along with great fun, these movies lack that, as admitted by the director... So when exactly did Lucas "admit" this? At any rate, someone who can watch the prequels and not see the timeless story and sense of fun is either not trying hard enough or is trying very hard to not like the movies. -----signature----- "[STAR WARS fans] all have very strong ideas about what should happen, and they think it should be their way. Which is fine, except I'm making the movies, so I should have it my way." -George Lucas
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vladimir_imp Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 12/30/02 7:52am Subject: RE: Serial movie making died long ago for a reason...............
	I agree with Durwood. GL can't win because he's criticised that his movie's special effects aren't as special as LOTR's, then he's criticised for not concentrating on the story. Then I read a review where it said he was taking the story (AOTC) too seriously, but finally managed to relax and have some fun with the droid factory scene. What will it be? With all of the threads in this forum discussing the meaning of various PT elements and how they fit with the rest of the saga it is very clear that these elements of storytelling have not disappeared. I do not believe this is an argument we can win(!). Whatever GL does it will not satisfy everybody. Look at the Episode III forums to see how diverse the 'wants' of SW fans are for the final film. -----signature----- Never fly Ryanair - they'll leave you stranded Never fly Ryanair - they'll cancel your flight without telling you why Never fly Ryanair - you'll have to pay to get yourself home some other time Never fly Ryanair - they don't pay compensation
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