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Apophis
Registered: May '02

Date Posted: 7/4/02 7:51am Subject: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

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Apophis
Registered: May '02

Date Posted: 7/4/02 7:52am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

I think he is.

You would be surprised how many people think that Sidious isn't Palpatine. Thats why is ask it.

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TeeKayClone
Registered: May '02

Date Posted: 7/16/02 11:49am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

I'm quite sure he is.
But his face is different when he's Sidious,that's why people are in doubt.
I think Palpatine/Sidious has some sort of skin disease,you can clearly see it in EPII.

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lightscythe
Registered: Mar '02

Date Posted: 7/17/02 6:21am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

he's in bad shape, probably since he got aides

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AnotherAgentSmith
Registered: Jul '02

Date Posted: 7/26/02 8:29am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

I think Palpatine is Sidious, most arguments to the contrary doesn't sound convincing enough.

Besides in the OT he's called Emperor Palpatine and I think it'd be odd if Sidious would have 'taken care of' Palpatine in secret to take his place. tongue

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Pepijn
Registered: Jun '02

Date Posted: 8/2/02 8:09am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

This must be the most-repeaten starwars topic ever.

I think Sideous isn't Palpatine. Look at the way Palpatine is slowly growing into the ROTJ look. In EPI he still looks fresh. In EPII it's ten years later and he wears black robes, he is showing some of the facial "rimpels" (Whats English for that?) he has in ROTJ. EPIII will be a step further, probably.

Then look at Darth Sideous who quite resembles the Emperor in ROTJ. He has the same outfit in both movies he's been in, and it shows no progress at all. Note the small differences between Emp-Palp and D-Sid and the constant outfit of D-Sid and the progress of outfit of Palpatalpatine. It's easier for me to imagine (visually) that Palps becomes Emperor and Sideous somehow gets lost in galactic history, then they're the same person.

So far for the lame argument.

One strange thing is the Confederacy army. If Sideous is Palpatine it would be strange that he has control over two armies battling each other. The point people who claim sideous is palpatine make, is that the Jedi get involved in this battle and they get crushed between them. To an extent this is possible. But it is very strange that there is not even a single battle droid left of the Confederacy armies after the Clone Wars. If Dooku is the apprentice of Palpatine (and thus Sideous) there would be a point where they would say: "Well enough Jedi's wasted, let's crush the rest of them with our combined armies."

Strange enough, nothing of the Confederacy is left after the Clone War(s).

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Apophis
Registered: May '02

Date Posted: 8/2/02 2:56pm Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

For EpI :

First and foremost, we know that Darth Sidious is Senator Palpatine, the official representative of Naboo in the Galactic Senate. I would hope that the readers realize this, but one cannot always count on people to recognize the obvious. Long-standing underestimates of Imperial fleet size, in obvious contradiction to the sheer size of the Death Star (as large as 24 million Star Destroyers), demonstrate that people can indeed be capable of not seeing something that is right in front of their noses. It has been pointed out that perhaps the obvious connection between Palpatine and Sidious is actually too obvious, and there might be some sort of "twist" in Episode II. That's always possible, but at this point, we can only go on what we know, and not assume that something must not be true just because it's too obvious. So, assuming that everyone understands who Sidious is, what does he want? We know the following:

He is secretly orchestrating the actions of the Trade Federation. They defer to his wishes, and essentially obey his commands. When talking among themselves, they mention a "bargain" that they've struck with him, but they do not describe this bargain.
He is a Sith Lord. According to Yoda, there are only two Sith Lords: no more, and no less. There is always a master, and an apprentice. Darth Maul is introduced as his apprentice, so Darth Sidious is clearly the master.
He continually instructs the TradeFed viceroy to commit progressively more heinous acts. The blockade was clearly his idea (otherwise, why would they choose Naboo?), as was the decision to invade the planet. Later, when he learns of the Queen's return and her attempt to form an army to resist the TradeFed occupying forces, he goes even further, instructing the Viceroy to "wipe them out".
He initially urges Queen Amidala to accept TradeFed control, implying that he wants her to sign the treaty. However, he also urges her not to return to Naboo, knowing perfectly well that she may be forced to sign the treaty if she returns.
He is elected to the position of Supreme Chancellor at the end of the film, thanks to Queen Amidala's motion for a vote of no-confidence in the weak and ineffective Chancellor Valorum. He had previously noted that Naboo's unfortunate situation would generate a "strong sympathy vote" for him, and although he claimed to be surprised by his nomination to the position, we can have no doubt that he had previously manipulated the various chess pieces on the board in such a manner that he would become nominated in the aftermath of Valorum's removal, against opponents who could not possibly defeat him.
So what has Sidious done? From all appearances, it seems as if he has convinced the TradeFed leaders that he would be able to revoke the disputed taxes, provided they followed his instructions. This would be the "bargain" of which the Neimoidians spoke. Clearly, he instructed them to blockade Naboo to apply pressure to the Senate. We saw him instruct them to invade Naboo, and he assured them that he would be able to make the invasion legal, so he probably instructed them to draw up a treaty legalizing the invasion, and then he instructed them to force Queen Amidala to sign it.
But at this point, his plan clearly went awry. Queen Amidala escaped Naboo at the urging of Qui-Gon Jinn, who used his Force-enhanced intuition to advise her that "they will kill you if you stay". We can assume that Palpatine did not want this to happen, so what was his original plan, before Queen Amidala's disappearance forced him to improvise? One theory is that Palpatine intended to kill Queen Amidala. Consider:

As Senator Palpatine, he personally knew Queen Amidala, and he also had the advantage of Force-assisted precognition. He undoubtedly knew that she would not sign a treaty legalizing the invasion.
He knew that a sufficiently heinous atrocity on Naboo would brand Chancellor Valorum a failure and manipulate emotions in the Senate to favour his own election, since he was the official representative of Naboo. The Queen's death would serve this purpose admirably.
He needed to eliminate the Trade Federation's leaders once they had sufficiently antagonized the Senate to overthrow Valorum, since they had knowledge of Darth Sidious and his ability to influence the Senate. If they were to survive, they might be able to piece together the link between Sidious and Palpatine.
Therefore, if Amidala had not escaped Naboo, he probably would have assassinated her (thus explaining Qui-Gon's intuition). A crucial fact about TPM which was unseen in the film but clearly described in the official literature is the fact that Darth Maul had a cloak-capable starship constructed for himself (see the Episode I Cross-Sections book). He never used his cloaking device, because as events unfolded, it turned out that he had no need of it. But in Palpatine's original plan (assuming that the above theory is correct), it would have allowed Maul to land on Naboo without detection, and his Sith skills would have allowed him to easily assassinate Queen Amidala and escape without leaving a trace.
Consider the ramifications: if Palpatine had assassinated Queen Amidala while in TradeFed custody, he would have killed two birds with one stone:

With the Queen dead, it would be impossible for the Trade Federation to legalize the invasion of Naboo. This would eliminate the possibility of a peaceful resolution to the dispute.
Since Chancellor Valorum is surrounded by bureacrats and advisors who are "on the payroll of the Trade Federation", her death in TradeFed hands would make him and them look bad in the eyes of the Senate. Valorum would be easily deposed, along with many of his allies. Palpatine would then be able to command the Republic's military forces to eliminate the TradeFed forces at Naboo, probably killing the Viceroy and his aides in the process.
If this was truly Palpatine's original plan, it was a masterwork. He would have accomplished his goal of becoming Supreme Chancellor while simultaneously having the Republic's military forces eliminate the only people who could possibly tie him to his Darth Sidious persona.
Of course, we know that Qui-Gon interfered with this plan. Queen Amidala escaped, and he improvised by urging her to personally call for Valorum's ouster in the Senate. This worked out to his advantage because of the emotional impact of her presence and testimony, and indeed, Valorum was ousted, and Palpatine was voted into power. The only remaining loose end was the Trade Federation Viceroy and his aides, who he would have had to assassinate before their testimony could be used to trace him to his Darth Sidious persona in any way.

This assassination would be suspicious and more difficult to execute than his original plan (if the above theory is correct), but assuming that he could pull it off, the events of TPM still unfolded in such a manner that he achieved his primary goal of being elected to the position of Supreme Chancellor. It is commonly believed that the Naboo people were the victors of TPM, but the true victor of TPM was former Senator Palpatine, now Supreme Chancellor Palpatine.

For EpII :

Well, Palpatine is one sneaky sunuvabitch, isn't he? In this film, we confirm that his goal has always been to start a war and play both sides against the middle. Or, to be more specific, create a false threat against himself and then use it to achieve political gain. He tried this ten years earlier at Naboo:

Attain political power in Naboo, a defenseless but politically influential star system (he became Senator).

Quietly push the Senate to approve trade taxes which will infuriate commercial groups such as the Trade Federation.

Maneuver a young ingenue into the position of Queen (not shown, but quite plausible, given his behind-the-scenes manipulation of the Senate).

Secretly offer to help the Trade Federation. Convince Nute Gunray that if he blockades Naboo, he can put enough political pressure on the Senate to repeal the hated trade tax.

Quietly begin spreading dirty rumours about Chancellor Valorum, specifically with regards to those "baseless accusations of corruption" we heard him tell Amidala about.

Have his Trade Federation patsies attack the planet and kill her (as foreseen by Qui-Gon Jinn), knowing that by now, they're in over their heads and they'll think it's too late to back out. This creates a compelling tragedy: the invasion of a completely defenseless and beautiful world, and the tragic death of a beautiful young girl.

Use the pointless, ugly bloodshed to wring sympathy out of the Senate and complete the disintegration of the Supreme Chancellor's credibility, thus vaulting himself into power.

However, his Trade Federation patsies were too incompetent to pull it off. They couldn't kill two Jedi Knights on their starship, Queen Amidala slipped away from beneath their noses, and in the end, they actually got beaten by the pathetic Naboo police force and Gungan army despite vastly superior forces that they squandered through mind-boggling stupidity (sending away thousands of blockading ships was the height of idiocy, among many other horrible mistakes). Worse yet, his apprentice died. However, he was able to improvise a new plan, and he used Queen Amidala as the catalyst for the vote that unseated Valorum and gave him the position of Supreme Chancellor. The plan, while not perfect, still achieved its principal objective.

This time, he abandoned his now-disillusioned patsies and pushed them into the arms of a new apprentice: Count Dooku, who told them everything they wanted to hear. But in the end, the method was merely a continuation of the same theme: create a crisis and play both sides against the middle. If you're Emperor, er ... Chancellor Palpatine, the next phase of the plan seems to be:

Order a clone army from Kamino. Order the Jedi Knight Sifo-Dyas to secretly perform the transaction on your executive authority as Supreme Chancellor, since he is a "leading member of the Jedi Council" and his word will be taken at face value.

Have Count Dooku kill Sifo-Dyas because dead men tell no tales, and then erase Kamino from the records so that no one will inquire into the matter.

Approve a steady stream of regulations and taxes which will be sure to enrage commercial groups and economically depressed outlying systems.

Have Count Dooku incite unrest among disaffected systems and commercial groups.

Describe the widespread unrest as the unruly, self-serving actions of a small minority, and use the crisis as an excuse to remain in power beyond your term of office. Continue to pass more regulations intended to keep the peace (which coincidentally enrage these commercial groups and outlying systems further).

Have Count Dooku go public, and begin organizing disaffected groups and systems into an organized political secession movement.

Quietly groom Anakin Skywalker to become your next apprentice, so that he will strike down the strong-willed Count Dooku before he becomes too powerful and covets your position.

As the ten year period draws to a close, have Count Dooku accumulate an army, carefully selecting the powerful but gullible as his patsies (first stop: those Trade Federation morons). Engage in a duel of increasingly heated public rhetoric with Count Dooku's separatists until it becomes apparent to all that war is imminent.

Kill Amidala, who is leading the political opposition to your militarization act (when this fails, go to plan B: tell her to go away so you can manipulate Jar Jar, her mindless idiot proxy).

Use the increasing threat as an excuse to seize emergency powers, declare martial law, and initiate a massive military buildup.

Let all hell break loose. Cue the Imperial March. Get medieval on the separatists, and bring order to the galaxy.

In the ensuing conflict, the separatists will undoubtedly be destroyed, but not too quickly. Palpatine has probably established just enough military power to fight the separatists, but not enough to quickly overwhelm them, particularly if neither side is willing to use weapons of mass destruction quite yet (a conventional war on that scale could be an enormously time-consuming prospect). This will drag out the war and give him the time he needs to get more clones and ramp up the recruiting programs that would eventually be used to build the Imperial armed forces (remember that clones are useful because large numbers can be produced and trained in secret, but a clonetrooper takes years to produce, while a military recruit requires only a few months of training). It would appear that he intends to drag out the war long enough to transform the Republic into the Empire. Dooku even managed to confiscate the plans to the Death Star for him, which the Geonosians apparently designed in an effort to compensate for their small numbers (or small members; take your pick).

Better yet, Palpatine seems to have Anakin ready for the dark helmet. His clever ruse to put Anakin and Amidala in close proximity has paid off handsomely by creating a huge secret which Anakin must hide from Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedi Order. We learn that Palpatine has been covertly counselling Anakin for some time, driving subtle wedges between him and the Jedi Order and telling him all the things he wants to hear. For all his power and arrogance, Anakin can be easily led by someone who understands human nature, and Palpatine appears to understand human nature all too well. Palpatine appears to have decided that he's not going to continue the tradition of training an apprentice to replace him. Instead, he seems to want to seize power for himself, with no serious contendors to his throne (including a successor). He doesn't want a strong-willed, independent apprentice who will take over after his death (or worse yet, kill him); he wants someone of great power but little wisdom, who can be manipulated and led. Count Dooku doesn't qualify, but Anakin does.

It has even been suggested that Palpatine might have had something to do with the sandpeoples' abduction of Anakin's mother. The timing is certainly convenient; his mother was abducted just before the Kaminoan clone army was ready, and she was apparently tortured but kept alive until he finally showed up. What was their motivation? They were established to be a somewhat violent society, but they had no intelligible reason to keep a prisoner alive and in captivity for that long. Palpatine undoubtedly knew of Anakin's attachment to his mother, and he could have easily ordered the Jedi to free her or check on her, but he chose not to. While it may seem implausible that Palpatine could have had his hooks into so many different places, one must not discount the prescient vision of a man who would someday foresee the Rebel attack on DS2 at Endor, in such detail that he planned a seemingly foolproof trap for them (only to be foiled by one of the most implausible lucky victories in the history of sci-fi, but still impressive). The novel suggests that they captured her to test the strength of their enemy, but that seems dodgy at best; if you want to test the strength of the enemy, why would you capture a middle-aged woman instead of a strong male? The soundtrack lends weight to the notion that it was deliberate; when Anakin confesses his massacre, the soundtrack conspicuously plays the Emperor's throne-room theme from ROTJ, not Vader's theme (the Imperial March).

Palpatine has already begun assembling other elements of his Empire, such as his signature red-suited private Imperial guardsmen. According to the Visual Dictionary, they are under his direct authority, with no Senate oversight whatsoever. Their training is kept secret, and no one even knows where they come from (small wonder, since the training regimen shown in Crimson Empire was remarkably brutal, and Crimson Guardsmen approached Jedi Knights in their combat skills). This indicates that he has already begun creating the first of many institutions which will exist under his direct control and beyond the jurisdiction of the Senate.

On a somewhat sour side-note, it is widely believed that George Lucas wants Palpatine's seizure of power to resemble that of Adolf Hitler in pre-war Germany. If that is indeed the case, then Mr. Lucas appears to be subscribing to a commonly held historical myth about Hitler, namely the idea that Hitler was a genius who tricked everybody. First of all, Hitler was not a genius. He failed at virtually everything else he ever did in his life (even high school!), and every teacher he ever had described him as a shiftless, lazy, and generally useless clod. Secondly, he did not trick everybody. His platform was made very clear in "Mein Kampf", long before he gained power (he outlined everything in that book; his plan to exterminate the Jews, his plan to declare war on Russia and take "living space" from the Slavs to the east, etc). Goebbels propaganda films made it very clear that Hitler thought the Jews were no better than animals, and that he intended to brutalize and remove them from the presence of ethnic Germans. His fascist ideologies, racial supremacist attitudes, and militaristic intent were never hidden from anyone. People want to believe that Hitler was an evil genius who tricked everybody because they would rather choose to believe that than the truth. The ugly truth is that Hitler was nothing but a psychologically disturbed moron who just happened to be in the right place at the right time, when enough of the German people wanted someone like him.

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Pepijn
Registered: Jun '02

Date Posted: 8/3/02 4:26am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

Impressive...the last alinea is discutable, but this is not a WOII forum.
well you didn't do it for nothing, i read through all of it, but somehow i really haven't seen clear evidence of Sidious being Palpatine, it's all very obvious, indeed, and the most likely. Call me an idiot or an heretic or just someone who can't read English.

One point that everybody seems to be missing is that all this could also have been operated under a very close "joint venture" between Sidious and Palpatine,
(Well correct me if i missed something in your text)Or Palpatine is simply just another henchman of Darth Sidious like Dooku. The political processes of giving Palpatine power would also benefit Sidious since he would be master of both Dooku and Palpatine. Yoda claims there are only two Sith's, but how can he know if "Sith have been extinct for a millenia?"

Besides, in TPM and AOTC we haven't seen clear evidence of Palpatine already being a Sith lord. No lightning, no dark visions. The only thing that points at this is the way Palpatine seems to be undetected while the whole Jedi council is on his neck. Perhaps it shows his mastery in the Force, but it could also be this way, simply because he isn't a Sith Lord (yet). The Dark Side clouding everything could simply be generated by Darth Sideous himself, or even because of the palace where they are at that time, which we haven't seen in another movie before, is simply a place of the dark side like the tree in Dagobah. (Very inplausible, but yet it is Star Wars.)

Back to the double apprentice theory: Both Dooku and Palpatine are thus influenced by Darth Sideous. Sideous being the mighty master of the Dark Side sees a dark and powerful empire in the future. Since Sideous isn't the person to ever get out of the shadows, which is pointed out by the henchmen he uses to carry out his plans. He offers the "coming empire" to both Palpatine and Dooku, which start a war against each other with the Jedi squashed between them, while the true power is his. Remember Darth Vader saying "I MUST obey my master.", and Yoda: "An Agent of evil you will be." These phrases has kept me thinking even before TPM came out.
If this is the case for Vader, why not for the Emperor himself too? He is or has been a slave of evil also.

It's not clear if Darth Sideous is still alive at this point, but wasn't it GL original plan to make 9 episodes? Perhaps he has stated it will be kept down to 6, but i have never heard or read something like this, so don't brand me for being an idiot at this point. The existence of Darth Sideous could link to a third generation of Skywalkers.

But this alinea above doesn't even matter, it could also be Yoda who wiped Sideous out of existence (on Dagobah perhaps, thus explaining the Dark Side cave.)And while on the subject, how could Palpatine let Yoda go? The Emperor and Vader do not seem to know Yoda is still alive, stated by Vader's "Obi-Wan can no longer teach him" or something like that. If Sideous would have dueled with Yoda, and lost, it wouldn't matter to Palpatine who was already well on his way becoming Emperor (Dooku gone at that point)and assumed Yoda was dead. Palpatine surely wouldn't care at this point, if he never get a message of his old master. Perhaps he thought he was still lurking in the shadows, or perhaps he thought he was dead, and Yoda with him, which they couldn't sense near Sideous dying place, generating a +/-, dark/light effect.

Anyhow, nobody knows for sure about Sideous yet, and it is probably the most disturbing puzzle GL has ever thrown before the fans....

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Apophis
Registered: May '02

Date Posted: 8/3/02 8:00am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

You to have a good point here.

I think we just have to wait until EpIII comes out to know the answer.

BTW : How would a thirth generation of Skywalkers be related with Darth Sidious? What is the link?

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Registered: Jun '02

Date Posted: 8/3/02 7:37pm Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

Wow, you're actually responding!!

Well let me explain:

The sequel trilogy is the key in the link between Darth Sidious and any generation of Skywalkers (the "heros",of course) after Luke.
(personally i imagine a generation after Luke's generation, so it wouldn't interfere (much) with the Expanded Universe stories.)

If you keep the same big bad guy (Darth Sidious), of the PT with the Sequel Trilogy (ST), and my theory takes place (Darth Sidious being a Shadow emperor) in EPIII, the people find it more plausible that Darth Sidious reappears in the ST. (He'd be old maybe, but Yoda has been 900 years old, so it isn't unimaginable.)Sequels containing the same bad guys, are almost always more fun to watch, then sequels without them. And also, with Sidious still in the film, you can expand on the storyline.

So the relation between Sidious and Skywalker is mostly just moviewise. Luke has never heard of Sidious, and couldn't tell it to his offspring. Sidious however knows of the Skywalkers and wants to revenge on them. That's already a good situation to start the movies with, and very plausible for the SW-loving audience...

By the way, it's not likely this will happen, but i just don't want to take everything for granted. (Until EPIII, that is.)

Another By the way: Do you speak Dutch? Better than English i mean? It would be easier for me to type...

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Registered: May '02

Date Posted: 8/4/02 2:51am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

Yep, ik spreek Nederlands. Ik sprak alleen Engels omdat hier ook een paar Engelsen en Fransen zaten, zodat die ook alles kunnen verstaan, maar sinds zij niet antwoorden ...

Het is inderdaad een mogelijk scenario. Of het ook zal gebeuren ...
Darth Sidious is wel al heel oud ondertussen, ik dacht zelfs gelezen te hebben dat hij ouder is dan Yoda.
En met een volgende generatie bedoelt ge dan de generatie achter Luke Skywalker, want dat zijn dan de kinderen van Leia en Han (Jacen en Jaina volgens EU) en van Mara en Luke (Ben).

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Pepijn
Registered: Jun '02

Date Posted: 8/4/02 3:16am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

Eh nee, die daarna. (Luke is opa). Maar sinds het verhaal van Star Wars meer de levensloop beschrijft van Anakin Skywalker en Darth Vader, lijkt het me niet al te realistisch zo'n vervolg.
Tja en Darth Sidious, kan gerust wel ouder zijn dan Yoda, we hebben nooit zijn bovenkant gezien, dus hij kan misschien wel een heel buitenaards hoofd hebben -> en dus een andere levensduur. (Als het dus niet Palpatine is.)

Trouwens, denk je dat Yoda gewoon zo oud is, vanwege zijn soort, of heeft het te maken met zijn meesterschap in de Force? Dat zou ook weer de leeftijd (als hij werkelijk net zo oud is als Yoda) van Darth Sidious verklaren. Wie weet zijn ze elkaar vroeger wel eens eerder tegengekomen....

Wow, de theorieen worden steeds bizarder...

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Apophis
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Date Posted: 8/4/02 3:54am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

Bij Yoda is het een combinatie van de 2 denk ik.

Maar bij Sidious is het puur omwille van de Dark Side. Uit eigenbelang zorgt hij ervoor dat hij langer blijft leven. Hey, ik heb al rare dingen gehoord over hem.
Ofwel zuigt hij het leven uit andere mensen.
Of hij kloont zijn eigen en plaatst dan zijn geest in de kloon. Zo zou hij dat ook doen met Palpatine als de tijd rijp is. Dan zou hij Palpatine overnemen en regeren als Keizer en niemand die weet dat Palpatine eigenlijk ook een slachtoffer is.

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Pepijn
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Date Posted: 8/4/02 4:45am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

Jaja, het Dark Empire idee dus. Maar misschien is het gewoon eigen van duistere machten dat ze eeuwen blijven bestaan. Kijk maar naar Sauron uit Lord of the Rings...

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Date Posted: 8/4/02 5:03am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

In verband met die generaties is het inderdaad waar dat Star Wars het verhaal volgt van Anakin Skywalker. Daarom wil Lucas er ook mee stoppen na EpIII.

Hij had trouwens heel andere ideeën voor de derde trilogie.

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Date Posted: 8/4/02 5:18am Subject: RE: Is Darth Sidious Palpatine?

Ik weet van niks.
Wat voor ideeen dan?

Het lijkt me wel vreemd, trouwens als er ineens geen nieuwe StarWars films van George Lucas aankomen.

Misschien dat iemand anders films uit het verre verleden of toekomst van de geschiedenis van Star Wars gaat maken. Er is tenslotte ook ooit eens een (hele slechte) film gemaakt over Wicket en de Ewoks.

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