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academygrad88 Registered: Apr '04	Date Posted: 1/14/05 3:33am Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	Thanks for the update! What intrique!! Wonderful!! So you are a lurker in that thread I mentioned. Don't believe a word they say about me there! Excellent update. I cannot wait until Tuesday's post! AG88 -----signature----- I love my Bomb Disposal Expert Winner of more Golden Ewoks™ than you can possibly imagine! Check out the pictures I made: http://ag88.deviantart.com/ ! You will Kriff Luke Skywalker!~ The Real last Command http://swff.bpweb.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4
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DarthIshtar Title: Former CR Registered: Mar '01	Date Posted: 1/14/05 4:12am Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	Intriguing again, like seeing the outside perspective on the relationship, the possible exploitation option... -----signature----- "I feel like a more down-to-earth Pink 5 when I'm writing Leah. Same attitude, less lip gloss." ~Me on how to get in the right mindset for Twilight fanfic.
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VaderLVR64 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Feb '04	Date Posted: 1/14/05 6:28am Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	Very interesting post, on so many levels. I found it fascinating that Obi-Wan had still spent so many years on Tatooine. Obi-Wan didn’t wince, remaining calm and attentive, but nevertheless, Mace gained the impression he should have. No one but the Council knew where Obi-Wan had been for twelve years; why he had left the Order, and why he had come back. Many Jedi initially viewed him with a certain degree of wariness, remembering Dooku. But the man had quickly proven his good and gentle nature. The fire in Obi-Wan’s soul had never dimmed, but it had been gentled by his time on Tatooine. Obi-Wan obviously still feels close to Luke on some level or he would simply be "the Emperor." Hmmm..... -----signature----- R.I.P John, Alex, Jason, and Christian Never forgotten Soldiers' Angels http://soldiersangels.org/ 2114 soldiers waiting for someone to care
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Jedi_BMK Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 1/14/05 7:35am Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	The intrigue level just went up quite a bit. Whatever Luke's plan is, I'm enjoying seeing it unfold bit by bit. Good work. -----signature----- Destiny of the Skywalkers II: Splintered Paths OT AU (L/M H/L A/P) http://boards.theforce.net/the_saga/b10476/28042042/
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Smuggler_Shidakis Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 1/14/05 8:09am Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	And the plot thickens... it is positively stew.... -----signature----- K/J = Dark Lady of the JCC \| Master to Darth-Wanderguard Adopter of Rosh_Penin Désolée, mon président est un idiot. Je n'ai pas voté pour lui.
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RedGold Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/14/05 9:30am Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	First off, about the latest post... very interesting... everyone is trying to figure out what's going on. But only the Sith knows! Now, as for the rest... Okay, this bugs me. You keep trying to put the GFFA and this situation into a box of theory about Earth history, and I think that's a mistake. I'm just going off incarnates comment about how it works on Earth. So therefor doing a compare/contrasty thingy. Nothing, even our own history, can be boxed into one theory. It's been tried. Don't work. So I just have to do this, sorry. A little bit of a tangent, I hope you don't mind ... What the heck... I like a good tangent now and again. Oh? Actually, I don't think either has to or is conforming at all. They're at the top, and they have power (all the power, in Luke's case). Actually the higher up a person is the more they are likely to conform. Not conforming can lead to serious issues with the public. Even if Luke isn't an "elected" official, it's still better to have people behind you rather then against you. Saying that the public is "endeared" to him means that he at least isn't doing to much that is taboo. And regardless of whether you delibrately chose to look at it that way, trying to apply broad assumptions to an individual situation just doesn't work. Why? Sometimes things have to be done broadly because as living beings we are prone to the random. While some things are set, others are all over the map. Besides, assumptions are assumptions. By their nature they can be whatever they want just as long as there is just one grain of truth in which to connect. And if L/M were conforming, why does Luke bother with the arranged marriage at all, since it is so antiquated? Simple, he has other reasons. He wants someone close to spread the disinformation. Also it's a grand symbol and sometimes making grand symbols goes father then actual results in the scheme of things. If Mara is conforming, why does she not do as a proper Jedi would, and leave Skywalker alone so he can't influence her with the Dark Side? Because Mara is a very curious girl. And as a Jedi she would also feel it's her duty to see if she can "save" Skywalker. Besides, you wrote it, you tell me! it's probably been antiquated in the GFFA as a whole for more like a thousand, the duration of the rule of the democratic Republic), How do you know? Tradition sometimes has a way of sticking around even though it's slightly ridiculous. Take from a person who just moved to England. The problem with America is that we aren't old enough to have any well-breed in traditions. Honestly we don't really understand the concept, not like older countries in Europe. what about Henry VIII? What about him? The Roman Catholic church wouldn't annul his marriage, so he threw them out and completely changed history. head hits table There was so much more to that story... SO MUCH MORE! But like the American Civil War where everyone only thinks about "slavery", everyone only thinks about the marriage annulments as his reason for establishing the Church of England. Does "dissolution of church lands" mean anything to you? According to what you say (applying it as you do to GFFA), that wouldn't happen, because Henry would have to conform to cultural standards/tradition/whatever. Actually, Henry was playing into the hands of several of the wealthy and influentian. So he was doing something with support. Luke and Mara's comformity is superficial at best. It always is, always will be. Just look at politics today, especially during last years election. What's enlightened about marrying for political reasons and then letting your wife sleep with someone else? It's the whole "no-bones about it" aproach to the marriage. He understands it's not for love and he's not going to begrudge her any "happiness" she might find in someone else. But it's a mute point as the two seem to be falling for each other anyway. You know the Kuati have arranged marriages in the time of the NR They do? Must have forgotten that... don't know why I'd forget. Oh well, to much SW EU stuff to know and so few brain cells I haven't killed yet. And what would you be more concerned about - the life of a single Jedi, or the Emperor trying to take apart a whole government from the top down? What is their focus - what should there focus be? On the welfare of the NR. You're the writer, you tell me! And while as a society we "know" what the answer "should" be, but in the individual you never know what can happen. Hooold on. Are you saying that during Palpatine's rule, arranged marriage was more common?? What? Palpatine was only around for 20 years as Emperor in the original GFFA, and even less in this one. Do you think it only takes that long for a massive cultural shift in something like marriage? And then snap, it's back to the way it was? Not to mention, I already stated something about social concerns in the story - that they didn't change, that it takes more time than that. So I don't know how you reached that conclusion. I was talking about woman's rights in general. I'm just saying that discrimination did exist and not to long ago. The loss of the arranged marriage could have occured well before Palpatine and been a step towards the eventual state of things. "Okay, we won't force you to marry but you still can't have a job." But because discrimination did exist not to long before, then more then likely the idea of the arranged marriage didn't fall to said wayside to long ago in the scheme of things. And you'd be surprised how quickly cultural changes can occur. An example is I met my husband on the internet in 1996 and started dating in 1998. Back then I would get the weirdest looks by everyone when I told them and it was somewhat "taboo". Now, everyone's doing it and people barely bat an eye when I tell them how I met my husband. Luke's interest in Mara is not personal. Yet. Luke doesn't conform to culture - he uses it. He would be too predictable, he would be putting himself in too narrow of a box if he did that. No doubt he was trained not to be set in cultural expectations - that's a blind spot, a predictability, and that Luke cannot afford. But rulers can not afford to be to drastically "out there" either. More then likely he sticks to cultural expectations when it doesn't matter, but won't be bothered to step out of the box when required. At least that is how I would have Luke (or any good ruler) be. Once again, you're the writer. I sure hope this is making sense - I have the benefit of being able to look at the story as a whole, and you don't. It makes sense, yes. And you could always fix that problem wink wink hint hint. Thanks for reading, and I hope you don't mind putting up with my arguments. Should I be the one saying that? -----signature----- Legend... Recluse... Forgotten... Will one day return... http://www.starwarsfanfic.com
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TheCrazyRodian Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/14/05 9:53am Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	Jeepers, this is a good story. -----signature----- My body wears a green scent, as on the verge Between green laughter and green sorrow I have walked all day Until my legs have gone lame, and still the spring seems spirited away. --Yi Sanghwa
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Leia Registered: Aug '98	Date Posted: 1/14/05 10:39am Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	She’s fascinated by Skywalker. Otherwise, she appears to be fine. Hmmm... It appears that Mara has the infamous Skywalker Syndrome, suffered by Star Wars fans everywhere. I hear there's an antibiotic for that, but I doubt anyone would willingly take it. Who wants a cure for Luke? Certainly not me! obaona, I just love the idea behind this story. I think it's absolutely fascinating to see all these characters interact that never had the chance to in profic. I'm especially glad that Obi-Wan is still alive. So he was on Tatooine? Watching Luke perhaps? Lastly, for using Bel Iblis. I doubleplus heart him. -----signature----- Those who don't believe in magic will never find it. (Roald Dahl)
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Jedi-2B Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 1/14/05 11:02am Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	All the conversational posts took me longer to read than the actual story post. Good chapter, even if it didn't have Luke or Mara. Like everyone else, I'm wondering about those mysterious twelve years that Obi-Wan was gone. Have you mentioned how old Luke was when he joined his father? I was thinking 10 or 11, but I didn't go back and check. So my guess is that 12 years is how long Obi-Wan was guarding Luke, before who-knows-what happened. -----signature----- It was on her fifteenth day in the darkness of the Nirauan cave when Mara Jade awoke to discover a rescuer had finally arrived. It was not, however, any of the potential rescuers she would have expected. It was Luke. ~~And the rest is history~~
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Mira_Jade Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 1/14/05 11:14am Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	And this story gets better, and beter. This post was good on so many levels. It's good to see that Obi-Wan is still alive, he always makes things more interesting. It was also cool to see other peoples opinions on Luke, and his relationship with Mara. I just have one question, but I'm not sure if you'll answer it. If the New Republic is in the Unknown Regions, are they occupying the worlds that the Chiss don't have, or did they make some sort of deal with the Chiss, or is this so AU that the Chiss don't exist? So it was a great post. Tuesday so isn't going to come fast enough. -----signature----- E-sib to the utterly adorable and inspiring Jade_eyes!! . . . because Squee!s are better in pairs.
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StarFighter5 Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 1/14/05 1:13pm Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	I kinda just have a bunch of thoughts down here. Bear with me. Annals... Did Vader ever rule this version of the Empire? Section 1... It's sad that the temple has been reduced to an ugly concrete thing. However it is good that the NR has a capital. Obi Wan seems interesting in this fic. I can't wait to see what role he plays, if any. I also think that Luke knows Leia is his sister. If Vader found out about Luke he would have found out about Leia. I think. Letting Luke keep his last name when the Lars family took him was stupid. Section 2... If Mara has to play both sides she's going to have to become a very convincing actress. -----signature----- "I hope I slept with you to get the job. if not, then who the hell was that guy?" - Carrie Fisher "Now that I'm a pez and a lego, I shall want for nothing else." -Jeremy Bulloch "Thank you for going to the movies. Especially mine." - George Lucas
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Knight_Aragorn Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 1/14/05 4:27pm Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!}) - Date Edited: 1/14/05 4:28pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Knight_Aragorn
	Great post! Tension is building.... Great to see Obi-Wan. Some of those hints about him were very interesting... I like that he calls Luke by his first name. But it makes you wonder... And then there's this: “I hardly think you’re an expert on the boy, Obi-Wan –” Adi began. Obi-Wan didn’t wince, remaining calm and attentive, but nevertheless, Mace gained the impression he should have. No one but the Council knew where Obi-Wan had been for twelve years; why he had left the Order, and why he had come back. Many Jedi initially viewed him with a certain degree of wariness, remembering Dooku. But the man had quickly proven his good and gentle nature. The fire in Obi-Wan’s soul had never dimmed, but it had been gentled by his time on Tatooine. Hmm... So what was Obi-Wan up to? And the second part: “And when Skywalker comes, we’ll be ready,” Ilbis said definitively. “The Empire will be destroyed at last.” Uh-oh. That talk about Mara playing a part... I wonder how willing she'll be? And how difficult it will become for her? Just pondering randomly. Excellent job, can't wait for more!
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GirlJedi Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 1/14/05 7:20pm Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	This is a lovely fic. I'm enjoying it. Interesting how you have the Jedi vs. Sith thing with a female/male angle. And love how Mara is a Jedi, and you have Adi Gallia in the picture and other Jedi from the Ole Republic. Good work. Looking forward to the continuing chapters.... Thank you! -----signature----- Chancellor Palpatine, Sith Lords are our speciality. -Obi Wan Kenobi
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Geith_Jiseo Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 1/14/05 7:24pm Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	[delurk] I'm liking it so far. [/delurk] -----signature----- Respect my authoritah! Forever Home: A Luke/Callista Story http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp?topic=18660452&replies=0 Mara Wars (Humor) http://boards.theforce.net/The_Saga/b10476/17868966/?13
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obaona Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 1/14/05 7:57pm Subject: RE: Drive You Mild (L/M, massive AU -- political intrigue, romance, drama -- {Updated Jan. 14!})
	Jesina_Dreis: LOL! I like how you don't ask. I will sometimes answer questions, if the fic doesn't cover it at some point. You'll find out if Obi-Wan is wrong or not, about Luke knowing. since they're obviously mapping the unknown regions, it might be pertinent to call them something else. - LMAO! True enough, true enough. I concede the point, and justify it by saying that, well, the part the NR has mapped, they call the New Republic. I'm just going to say that the Unknown Regions are a big place, and still relatively 'unknown'. I agree with you that it must have been hard on the Rebellion. Plus it just seems more like a rebellion ( ) that way, rather than something that actually seems feasible. And yes, Wedge appears briefly, but I think that's it - as much as I love the Rogues, the story is focused on Luke and Mara quite a bit. Thanks for reading. academygrad88: Thank you. And . Tuesday's post will feature Luke and Mara having quite an interesting conversation. DarthIshtar: nods Though a number of parts in the story don't have L/M directly, it still has to do with them, and effects them. Thanks for reading. VaderLVR64: Indeed. There's a reason for that, and that's why I won't say more. And yes, you're right, Obi-Wan does - very astute of you. Thank you! Jedi_BMK: Thank you , and good, because nothing in this story happens quickly. Smuggler_Shidakis: That's what you think now. It's gonna be a solid mass by the end of the story, then. Thank you! RedGold: Well, I remain unconvinced by your reasoning. I still think it's faulty. I think you're ignoring individual decisions (or awareness of cultural pressure) as well as making some assumptions (dratted word, but nevertheless true) - I know perfectly well what an assumption is, but your definition doesn't mean it's a good support on which to make your case, which it seems to me you are doing. But I'm not going to go into it point by point - I disagree with you completely, but I think I'll leave it at that. If you want to discuss it more we can take it to PM, but I think I'm done, and I don't think we'll get anywhere. Oh! But the Sith doesn't know everything. (Yes, I must tease. ) Thanks for reading. TheCrazyRodian: Thanks. Leia: Not me, either! But yes, she most definitely does. Totally understandable, in my opinion, but Luke has no idea what he's in for. It's really fun to write them all interacting. I really enjoy all the scenes (yes, there are more) with the Council. When I began the story, I hadn't thought about Obi-Wan much, but he's one of my favorite characters and I have always felt his death in ANH to be incredibly sad, especially given what we know now. So I just had to make live. LOL about Bel Iblis - I remember first really reading about his character in, of all things, the Han Solo trilogy, and he sounded intriguing. Thank you! Jedi-2B: LOL! I've mentioned when Luke entered the public awareness - he was fourteen. Make of that what you will. I think I also point out at some point when Palpy dies. Something to keep in mind. And next post does have L/M. Thank you. Mira_Jade: Thank you. I really wanted to explore all facets of what is going on, and that meant going beyond Luke and Mara's perspectives. What they see is naturally limited. And I just had to make Obi-Wan alive and well - he's one of my favorite characters. No, I won't answer that question. I will say, however, that the Unknown Regions are a big place. StarFighter5: Yes. Did I not establish that? I'll have to recheck. Yes, he ruled the Empire as Emperor. Not for very long, but he does. Obi-Wan plays a role. That's all I'm saying. Letting Luke keep his name might have stupid, but originally, it did work. And if Vader had found Leia, don't you think he would have done something? Oh! And yes, Mara will have to be a convincing actress. Thanks for reading. Knight_Aragorn: Thank you! I love hinting. There is, of course, a reason Obi-Wan calls Luke by his first name. And you do discover what Obi-Wan was up to. Why wouldn't Mara be willing? You're making an assumption about Mara, and her relationship with Luke. She's spoken to him twice. They're not even on a first-name basis. GirlJedi: Thank you. Aye, I thought it would be interesting to do, to have a Sith and a Jedi interact in a way other than with lightsabers. It's fun to do it within this arranged marriage, and this totally different context, too. Writing the Jedi here was a lot of fun - something I'll definitely have to go back to in some way, someday. Thank you! Geith_Jiseo: Thanks! Does that [/delurk] mean you're going to return to lurkdom? -----signature----- MS Word is designed by sadists with masochists in mind. - teh atty my recent Atton (KOTOR2) fic: http://boards.theforce.net/before_the_saga/b10475/30335989
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