Lit The Official Scoundrels Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Rogue_Follower, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Hold off on reading the book and tell us the previews!
  2. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Oh fine, I'll read it during dinner time. Happy? :p
  3. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Sorry. I'm just anxious to know more about Crucible and since the book won't come out where I'm at until until January I must know asap
  4. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    So within the first page, we have a reference to both the Mos Eisley cantina and how beautiful Leia still is. Ok, I guess we were at risk of forgetting both?

    Anyway, Han and Leia are at some dive bar waiting to meet up with Lando. Apparently Lando's been having a pirate problem. They notice some sort of suspicious looking hotshot who's looking around the joint and also eying the doors. He notices them, and motions for 3 glasses and a bottle of Corellian Reserve whiskey to be brought over to the table. He sits down, and says that he came from Lando and is to escort them inside some crazy barely navigable nebula to meet with Lando, who's supervising some sort of (wait for it) mining operation. They disbelieve him at first, but he explains that Lando is stuck there fore reasons he can't say because the only way to communicate from that nebula is through a very slow relay network that only handles open transmissions. Kid also makes a bunch of gratuitous reerences to their old age, and says that he should fly them in because they're too old to fly with those kind of reflexes.

    Then some green reptiles enter the bar, along with two Mandos. Turns out they're looking for the kid. They confront him to secure a gambling debt; Han, hating Mandos, decides to help out. Leia calls the guy "lieutenant" in Mando'A, which gets his attention and Han notices he has a cybernetic eye. Han accuses the guy of cheating, and Leia casually name-drops "Han" which gets the Mando kind of worried and defensive: he stops being threatening and dismissive (earlier he called Leia some sort of washed up Jedi -- didn't recognize her) and is willing to forgive the debt, esp. since it looks like they set up the poor kid. The lizards -- Nargons -- apparently run some sort of company that raids vessels mining the rifts and steals their stuff, and they use Mandos as muscle. The lizards took exception to the Mandos forgivint the debt -- apparently they had some sort of reason to set up the kid -- so they punch in the Mando leader's face, breaking his armor. A fight ensues, Han barely managing to fend off these tough beasties and Leia chopping off limb after limb with her saber but these lizards keep going -- eventually the lizard is totally limbless and Leia chops off his head. The other lizards are still fighting, but they flee into some secret exit. Han noticed something odd when Leia chopped off the lizard's limbs, so he grabs an arm with him and notices that it's super heavy and has durasteel inside it instead of bone. Leia chides him for stopping to take a souvenier.


    Happy? :p Not gonna post any Scoundrels stuff until release though.
  5. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    Very. Thank you. I can wait for Zahn. It's not Zahn I'm worried about. It's Denning and Crucible.
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  6. Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus

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  7. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    ugh. wish somebody had told me so I didn't have to go through all that effort. :p
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  8. Jedi Ben Chosen One

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    So what's this Lucas Books business for the UK editions? Previously it was Century / Arrow for hardbacks / paperbacks.

    The difference so far? Price is a few quid higher, up to £15 net price from £11-12. A significant jump.
  9. Team Padme Jedi Grand Master

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    January? In 2014 or this upcoming year?
  10. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    January 2013
  11. krtmd Jedi Grand Master

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    Wait, what? It's not being released in the US until July 2, 2013. So you're getting it early???
  12. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    The U.S. release date is tomorrow.
  13. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    The Wookiepedia page says Tomorrow
  14. Zorkel567 Jedi Grand Master

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    They are talking about Scoundrels, not Crucible. Curcible comes out in July, Scoundrels is January.
  15. krtmd Jedi Grand Master

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    OK. I do know that Scoundrels comes out tomorrow. Sorry, ForceSmuggler's post was confusing, and I thought he was referring to Crucible.
  16. Force Smuggler Chosen One

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    hahahahahahaha Sorry about that. I can see why people might get confused. Made sense to me. Wanted to know more about Crucible and the preview is in Scoundrels. I don't know when I'll be able to read Scoundrels to see the preview. I'm not worried about Scoundrels but nervous about Crucible. Until Crucible comes out and I read it I will get every tidbit I can about Crucible
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  17. GrandAdmiralJello Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque

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    Ok, now that the book's out, some thoughts -- mostly EU/continuity related:

    And I'm still only about 3/4ths through it, so I'm sure others here will finish before I do.


    Firstly -- there were a few references to the Daley and Crispin books but I think most of them flew over my head since it's been yeeeeears since I've read the latter and I only briefly skimmed the former. That said, Ylesia gets discussed quite a bit... as one might expect. I'm not entirely satisfied by the resolution of that, but that's a plot issue and I'm not all that interested in discussion plot 'til I finish.


    - Wukkar is the setting of the novel, which is awesome. The Core World was introduced in the DESB as one of the planets to surrender to Ackbar after the fall of Coruscant, and it has been scarcely mentioned since. Sadly we don't learn too much about them except learning a bit about the native aristocracy, a handful of names, and that they have the Festival of the Four Honorings to mimic Coruscant's Carnival Week. Still, DESB references are awesome.

    - Revan and Malak are namedropped in casual conversation now. Funny how people suddenly casually know names we didn't know about in EU earlier. But they're big figures so I guess that's fine.

    - Zahn must've read jSarek's article because we have a reference to the High Galactic alphabet being used by the upper classes, as opposed to the more commonplace Aurebesh. That was unexpected but awesome.

    - We still see some weird SWification of terrestrial phrases, like 'computer ships spinning in one's brain' to denote someone is thinking ... yeahhh I don't think that quite works.

    - Oh, there are Lepi.

    - And to dampen your excitement from that, some intel agents discuss the imminent downfall of Armand Isard (and they aren't merely misinformed because they spoke to him recently) due to his disfavor with the Imperial court. Problem: he falls (to his daughter's blaster!) in Interlude at Darkknell, a story written by this same author that takes place just BEFORE Yavin (stealing of the Death Star plans and all). Scoundrels takes place after Yavin, and just barely after because word about the Death Star and Alderaan hasn't spread all over yet. Yeahhhhhh. Oops.

    - Lando discusses the merits of different varieties of cognac. Nevermind that cognac is a type of brandy that comes from Cognac, France -- we've seen cognac mentioned in SW since Salm had that blue abrax cognac in XW:RS. He likes his cognac smooth. That's right. [face_laugh]

    And on a more personal note:

    - A member of the Imperial Court is described as acting like a "pompous-jay." I took pleasure at that.
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  18. JackG Force Ghost

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    That
    Darknell error is annoying.

    However, the Crucible excerpt sounded actually interesting!
    What's going on? Zahn's letting me down and Denning is delivering? [face_worried]
  19. Lazy Storm Trooper Jedi Grand Master

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    Anyone read the Dawn of the Jedi preview? The Amazon thing will not work for me.
  20. Nobody145 Force Ghost

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    I thought this was quite a good novel. The timeline and references are a little bit... odd, maybe, but its not a huge thing I think. Also, I've been reading really fast, but I'm mostly sure no reference or appearance by Thrawn, Mara or even Karrde, unless it was really minor, so none of them are shoved in here unnecessarily.

    Heh, now this is a crazy heist. As usual, of course they don't get the whole amount, but at least they all got some money out of it and they all survived.

    The whole Han and Lando betrayal thing is mentioned often, basically it comes down to Lando rethinking things and figures that Han isn't a huge crook, they're still not on great terms, but Lando does need the money. Han sort of tricks Lando at the end but it is partially for Lando's own benefit, and I think Han mentioned making sure Lando still gets a share of their money at the end, so Han is still playing mostly fairly. Also Chewie, while not doing a huge amount, is there as a reassuring presence. While Han and Lando are working quite civilly together and occasionally worry the other will backstab them, they know Chewie isn't the type to abandon teammates, and if something happens to Han, well... yeah, Chewie is not going to be happy. So basically Lando has cooled off somewhat and still isn't happy with Han, but not enemies. Yes, I liked Rebel Dawn's ending too, but that Yavin something story already added something else between Rebel Dawn and ESB, and its mostly easy to wave the Bespin friendly reception off as Lando trying to give Han a last few nice hours before handing him over to Vader.

    Not entirely sure about the timeline and the Darkknell thing, I'm not good with details and this whole era is one really, really busy year anyway, but I just hope it can be explained as these two don't know that Armand has been replaced yet.

    My personal favorite is that Han is portrayed as very smart the whole time. He doesn't find out everything, we as readers are the only ones to know everything, but he can tell when something is coming and prepares for it, so that at the end, while his situation has actually gotten somewhat worse, he was mostly never in danger for too long. His plan works mostly well, but most of them improvise a good deal too, and Han is ready for the last twist, or at least he avoids it, which I like.

    There are possibly some parallels to Mercy Kill, in that both involve plenty of tricks, cons, that kind of thing, but I think I like this one more as... well, Mercy Kill at the end went off too smoothly, they weren't really up against a worthy opponent in that one (and it was mostly just all corrupt GA people, which is such a boring cliche by now, non-corrupt government officials are more rare these days). Heck, I don't even mind the villain in this one, Villachor isn't actually sympathetic, but he's mostly not stupid enough to try and backstab his boss or screw up in any huge way, he's just busy trying to figure out who is attacking him (since as a mid-level Black Sun member he knows he could be killed for supposed betrayal at almost any moment).

    Its kind of similar to Allegiance in that a lot of groups are plotting and running into each other, but there's a few overarching plot threads too so its not quite as random as Allegiance's conclusion was with all the groups converging at the end. There's Han heist group, several Imperial Intelligence agents looking into Black Sun, the local Black Sun leader Villachor, the visiting Black Sun Vigo and you never know when someone else will show up.

    While some phrases aren't quite translated properly, like the computer chips spinning thing, nice to see Aurebesh letters referenced so much, with code names for locations and High Galactic mentioned too. Some analogies don't carry over, but nice to be reminded that isn't officially all in English (or whatever your preferred earth language is). Malak and Revan was just a one-off, but nice to see Zahn using more recent canon, the ebook sort of prequel mentioned Rakata in terms of "art room full of ancient stuff" too.

    I was reading fast, but I still like the image of the end of how they pulled off the heist. Instead of trying to sneak into the multi-layered vault, they simply blow away the inner sphere and send it rolling across the grounds. [face_laugh]

    Winter is mostly fine characterization-wise, I think, its pretty soon after Yavin, she knows Alderaan has been destroyed, but she hasn't yet heard whether Princess Leia is still alive or not, so Han gets to tell her that at the end. Kell is young and not a Rebel yet I think (compared to undercover Winter), but I think there are a few references to his future freezing up problem, but he's not under too much stress compared to being a full-time X-wing pilot later on. And both are still haunted by Alderaan's destruction too of course.

    A few references to older Zahn works, like references to Mazzic and hijarna stone being part of the vault, but don't think it focused on any of Zahn's normal pet characters.



    Also, I didn't see the final twist coming, but then I often miss stuff. Don't click if you don't want to be spoiled, I hope I'm being vague enough.
    Boba Fett is in this story, I won't say anything more, hope that's vague enough.


    I kind of love this story, its a standalone, but no Force-users, plenty of intelligent fringe characters, plenty of nice references, don't think it screws up canon too much, and Zahn just writes a great Han Solo. Nice way to end/start the year. Mostly its just a nice, simple, classic Star Wars fun story. Compared to the angst in the two previews, its so refreshing compared to most other eras. Not to mention having an action Han at an appropriate age. Although I admit I am a bit of a Zahn fan too.

    As for the previews- Crucible
    Han and Leia are in a cantina somewhere waiting to meet up with Lando, but then someone else shows up with a message supposedly from Lando, who is supposedly at one of his facilities in the middle of a very dangerous space storm, then turns out their contact is sort of trying to avoid local... gangsters, in simple terms (hinted at corrupt corporation/pirates/Mandos/cyborg lizards... yeah, not going to try to sum that up), bar brawl breaks out, weird stuff happens, and Han and Leia and the kid run for it. So far no Luke I think, or any indication that its anything more than a big pirate problem or just another Han and Leia old-age adventure. I remember FotJ mentioned Sith pirates everywhere (another of FotJ's many unfinished/dropped loose threads), so maybe that's related, but otherwise just same old status quo I think.


    The DotJ preview is somewhat boring and generic, at least for me, especially compared to the main DotJ comic, but that's just my opinion so pardon the biased summary, but anyway
    There's this Je'daii Ranger girl, she had a brother who was probably really screwed up but she thinks he's been dead for years, she's called in by the Je'daii Council quietly to stop a secret group that has a dangerous plan (something about a supposedly mythical hypergate and a group gathering dark matter to power it up, which could also create a micro-black hole that would consume Tython, which sounds a bit more sci-fi rather than space fantasy than normal to me), and surprise, her brother isn't dead and is possibly leading that group. Other than being confined to the Tython system and plenty of references to mysterious Tython (and some references to various conflicts, but she basically sounds like just a typical Jedi Knight in all but name compared to the more unusual blacksmiths or breeders or monks we see in the comic), not really excited yet, to be honest. Its still only an early preview, but just wish it didn't read so much like a typical prequel era "Jedi with issues called in by Council to go on a mission that happens to be related to their issue" preview.


    And now I really should go to sleep, reading a book half-asleep (could only download it at midnight) probably isn't really a good idea. So if I got any of the details wrong, sorry, its probably the lack of sleep.
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  21. Todd the Jedi Mod and Sitcom Dad of SWTV

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    Appreciate that summary, @. Definitely sounds like a novel I'd like.
  22. Gorefiend Chosen One

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    Just got a copy as late Christmas present (though won’t get to reading until tonight) I had to already had to :D at

    Winter; living recording rod

    in the dramatis personae
  23. LAJ_FETT Tech Admin and Collecting/Games Mod

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    Not reading any of the spoilers. I've had to order this from Amazon US as the UK site has a 1 to 3 week delivery delay. I also ordered the CW Omnibus #3 in the same order.
  24. Barriss_Coffee Chosen One

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    If that's how everyone thinks of her in the EU, no wonder she ended up with Ackbar.
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  25. AdmiralWesJanson Force Ghost

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    I'm about 3/4 of the way through, having a grand time reading it. Love Leverage, so mentally there is a degree of crossover there. Unlike Mercy Kill, which I wanted to like but was rather bland, so far it is a fun story. Action, tension, excitement, and all on a single world, without the fate of the galaxy hinging on things.

    Winter is nice to see get more attention, even a number of viewpoint sections. Han and Lando have a frosty demeanor towards each other, both a bit nervous about the other, but work well together still. Wukkar is nice to see, a welcome change from Coruscant, Yavin, and Tatooine.

    The timeline issue with Darknell is a bit of a problem, but Given the mess that Force Unleashed added to Bel Iblis and the Death Star construction, I can let it go.

    There is one minor thing that makes a scene in an Allston book even funnier. The bit where Cubber and Kell are working on the X-Wings when Han arrives becomes absolutely hilarious when Cubber starts bragging about recognizing the Falcon and tells Kell that he can be proud to have seen Han once, only to be completely ignored by him. Funny on it's own, but now it makes it seem like Kell is merely humoring Cubber the whole time, having worked with Han before.

    Also liked the bit about there being at a least a dozen Landos on wanted criminal lists, and without a last name, there is no way to tell if Calrissian is one of them. Adds a bit to making names more common, which is a nice touch.
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