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Ummm... as far as im aware. Like most of your team member, as in actual "team" not team as your team as a whole. Confusing I know.
Perhaps they do have some ability. But compared to my team. Who have all faced adversarys much more powerful than themselves, yet managed to find a weakness to fault. Is a hell of alot better than your team.
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JediKnight20043 posted:
Ummm... as far as im aware. Like most of your team member, as in actual "team" not team as your team as a whole. Confusing I know.
Whatever your point is, you're not getting it across.
JediKnight20043 posted:
Perhaps they do have some ability. But compared to my team. Who have all faced adversarys much more powerful than themselves, yet managed to find a weakness to fault. Is a hell of alot better than your team.
Like I said, name one member of my team who can't exploit a weakness.
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Shadow_of_Durron
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Okay, I swore to myself that I'd get to these judgments today, even though earlier the one thing I told myself I wouldn't do would be to sacrifice much-needed sleep for this nonsense. But yeah, it seems every time I turn around these days, there's something keeping me from getting anything more than a few minutes to sit down and fart around on the computer.
So yeah, sorry, I guess. But I'm not about to bow and scrape for forgiveness on this delay. That's life and this junk is hardly very important in the grand scheme of things.
Anyhoo, given my need to keep things shaken up and not give my team battle judgments the same way every time out, I think I'll include the ever-popular "individual" breakdowns for this batch. Just for fun. Keep in mind that me going down the list and comparing the matchups at each draft spot actually affects, oh, maybe... 0.05% of my actual decision. I'm aware that that's not how an anything goes team battle will be decided, with everyone matching up solely against the characters that the other GM drafted in the same round. It's just for fun, but also, I'm going to give a brief description for each matchup. Mostly, this is so I can give a quick explanation on what I feel each character is bringing to the team battle. And that actually does factor into my decisions quite a bit, obviously.
And keep in mind that for matchups that aren't perfectly obvious and really very close, I'm not going to put a terrible amount of thought into it. Just instinct, really. So don't hold me to any of these > or < thingies for any future matches.
Kings of the Underworld - Xemnas, Vergil, Kain, Arthas, Umbrella, Yuber, Marluxia, Larxene, Luc, Akuma, Axel, Big Boss, Demyx and Lexaeus vs. Tupac's Team in '94 - Cloud Strife, Sora, Dagger, Ratchet, Richter Belmont, Strago Magus, Riku, Delta Squad, Celes Chere, Emeralda Kasim, Yuffie Kisaragi, Simon Belmont, Knuckles and Jowy Atreides
Xemnas < Cloud - I don't think there's any question that, with an optimal materia setup, Cloud is the top dog in this match. His magical power usually doesn't get much mention, but in addition to being easily the most skilled of the FFVII heroes, his magic power is second only to Red XIII (would've been third, had Aeris not died so early on). He's the entire package. That said... the claim that he is by far the most skilled swordsman in the match is just huge disrespect to both Xemnas and Vergil (and even Sora). In pure swordsmanship, they're both right there with him, IMO. Both are quality leaders, but seems pretty obvious who's going to have the easier time leading their particular squad. And Xemnas is quite likely the fastest character in the match.
Vergil = Sora - I don't even want to think about deciding this match right now, so I'm giving the = copout here. Neither one brings much of anything specific to teams, but both improve immensely just from the fact that they're now coming into battle with items to keep them going. Probably Vergil a bit moreso, simply because of the notion of a lot of Devil Trigger time.
Kain < Dagger - No secret as to what Dagger brings. Kain's a powerful warrior, but kind of outmatched against the Eidolons, methinks. And Dagger's pretty huge to her team with the white magic factor. Kain kinda just seems like another fighter for his team, and doesn't really bring much to the table otherwise.
Arthas > Ratchet - As far as this particular matchup goes, I just think Arthas is too powerful for Ratchet if they're both prepped, and would probably win the majority if they fought a hundred times. Probably, anyways. But as I said earlier, this matchup means next to nothing and Ratchet brings a great deal more to his team as a whole. Delta Squad in particular could potentially be pretty beastly if they're all geared up with some of Ratchet's better weaponry.
Umbrella > Richter - Richter's great and all, but Umbrella would overwhelm him, despite their somewhat shaky cohesion. Not too much else to say. Richter brings skill and decent magical power to the table, and it seems clear that he'd be a lot more useful against other members of the opposition, and not so much Umbrella. Umbrella brings some very good (but not spectacular compared to the big dogs of the draft) strength and skill to the team. Also some general warrior know-how and nice tactics possibly. And also some decent equipment and weaponry, even if it is more than a little mundane compared to Ratchet's.
Yuber > Strago - Yuber's way too fast for Strago, even if he is outclassed in variety of magic. Yuber's almost certainly more powerful as well, and one helluva melee fighter, whereas Strago is crap in that area.
Marluxia < Riku - Both don't bring much besides their skill to the party, and I think Riku is just better, even if it's not by a huge amount whatsoever.
Larxene > Delta Squad - Not taking into account that DS will likely be Ratcheted the hell up, Larxene is just way too fast for them. Larxene brings more skill and a ton of speed to her team, but if the likely scenario plays out and DS comes into battle as four Ratchet-lites, then it's safe to say that they're more useful to their squad as a whole.
Luc < Celes - Luc's extremely powerful, but Celes doesn't seem to be too far behind there. Plus, her variety smokes that of Luc's. She's a lot more skilled melee-wise, but the thing that hurts Luc the most here is her Runic blade. For a pure magician, it's just nasty. Celes can be another healer for her team as well. Though, if Luc were to summon the Wind Rincar, I think Celes would be outmatched, and he's a much bigger threat to the rest of the opposition. However, that pretty much takes up all of his attention and power, and seeing as he's more or less his team's sole option for healing... that's probably not a great idea. Could be a potential tide-turner if things start to get desperate, though.
Akuma > Emeralda - I think Emeralda's one of the most underrated fighters in the draft, but she's just kinda outclassed against Akuma. But against almost anyone else, she could be getting my vote. She's fast, has powerful magic, etc, and just the nature of what she is makes her very unpredictable in combat. Akuma's just beast, though... but kinda just that. Brings very little to the team aside from his awesome combat skills. But... that's more than enough in his case. Emeralda... I think I saw a comment that she brings tech to the team. I mean... huh? She is tech herself, but she doesn't really bring anything that everyone can use. She has no real access to anything all that special, and really, the last thing she is is a strategist of any kind.
Axel < Yuffie - Axel's very skilled, and his fire attacks are powerful, but that's about it. Just skill and fire. Yuffie brings that and so much more. She's fast and agile as all hell (see Advent Children), and her stash of materia contains some pretty beastly stuff. Fire's probably the least of it.
Big Boss > Simon - Like Richter, Simon got himself a rotten matchup here where it's meaningless, but he would be much more useful elsewhere. Here, though, Big Boss outhinks the hell out of him and takes him down with weaponry he can barely conceive of.
Demyx < Knuckles - Gotta love the dancing water, but while Knucks ain't Sonic-fast, he's pretty damn fast. Faster than Demyx, anyways. And just too strong. Neither brings much of anything specific to teams.
Lexaeus > Jowy - Jowy's good, but not this good. Lex is too strong and fast. Magical power to Jowy, but it's not enough. And this is kinda the same as the last two in terms of team specifics.
So there's that.
I think it's safe to say that raw power is safely on the side of the Kings. And in terms of pure combat skill, they're clearly superior as well.
That said, I know something that jumped out at me when typing up a lot of those matchups was variety. A bundle of it for Tupac, and a glaring lack of it for the Kings. Nearly everyone on the Kings can use magic of some kind, but in almost every case, that magic is limited to one or two types with a limited number of specific attacks.
On the other hand, the two mages from FF VI can use a very, very wide variety of magic in battle. Pretty much anything you can name. Dagger specializes in white magic, but her summons can come at you with lots of other elements. There the variety in the materia from Cloud and Yuffie, and Emeralda can cast any number of different elements. All that stuff helps, and it makes them tougher to prepare for.
Also, tech weaponry seems to be on the side of Tupac, thanks to Ratchet mostly.
And yes, there is the cohesion. Like it or not, there are definite issues on the Kings. O XIII stuff aside, Akuma doesn't really like working with others. At all. Yuber's also a total flake, and if he thinks for even a moment that his team might lose, he will take off and desert his team mid-battle. And Vergil's the type to get fed up with this type of drama and nonsense very easily, possibly leading to some problems with him. Big Boss is a great leader-type, but his effectivness will probably be limited thanks to all the kinks. Hell, even the team pick has cohesion issues.
None of that stuff completely shatters the team, but it is going to effect them. Add the variety factor into it, and Tupac seems to be the winner to me. The power of the Kings makes it really close. They won't go down easily at all, but they will go down.
Winner: Tupac's Team
Manson's Real Reality - Grahf, T-elos, Galcian, Ramirez, Shadow the Hedgehog, Seifer Almasy, Luca Blight, Nobunaga Oda, Sol Badguy, Foxhound, The Cobras, Los Illuminados, Alexia Ashford and Margulis vs. Richard Kopelle and His Therapy Buddys - KOS-MOS, Samus Aran, Shion Uzuki, Eiko Carol, Zack Fair, Tir McDohl, Raziel, Roxas, Shadow, Wu the Lotus Blossom, Jubei Yagyu, Vivi Ornitier, Dawn of Dreams and Serge
Grahf = KOS-MOS - Copout. Not even gonna try to solve it now. And both bring some of the best power in the draft to their teams. They don't need to bring anything else.
T-elos > Samus - Good as Samus is, this one's perfectly clear to me. And it's another sort of blank matchup in terms of what they bring to teams. Samus might have some useful tech that everyone could use, but that's all hypothetical. Can't really factor it in too much when I couldn't even tell you what it is she might bring.
Galcian > Shion - Clear as day. Shion's cowered in the face of people lesser than Galcian. Of course, she doesn't always cower, and I doubt she will here, but not even the EK would save her in this matchup, especially since Galcian would be expecting it. Galcian also brings an oustanding leadership quality to the team. And neither Grahf nor T-elos seem like they'd be comfortable leading a group like this into combat. And probably neither would have an issue in letting Galcian give the orders. Both have taken orders from those they know to be less powerful than them in the past. They don't care. They know they're more powerful, and that's good enough for them. Anyways, Shion makes for a very competent magician and would likely serve as a healer for her team. And the tech stuff... but aside from KOS-MOS, I'm not sure who would really take much advantage of her services there. *shrug* And yeah, I suppose the excessive cohesion between her and the MOS might play a role. But probably not. Probably.
Ramirez > Eiko - Bad matchup for Eiko, what with Ramirez's ability to teleport right in behind her and gut her like a carp. Both bring healing, but safe to say that Eiko brings a lot more of it. Don't know how long Eiko lasts in this match and how effective her Eidolons will be because of it, as she's likely to be the enemy's primary target at the start of the match. And Ramirez brings more crazy-good swordsmanship, of course.
Shadow > Zack - I so wanted to give this to Zack, but I just can't. Pure skill, he owns this match. But speed, fast as he is... not so much. And the chaos control is critical here, even though it's not unlimited. It'd be enough. The stuff could pose a big problem for Kopelle as long as it holds out, methinks. I'm not actually seeing too much that could counter it on their squad. Shadow also brings some interesting devices, and that heal cannon could be critical as his team is light on the healing otherwise. Were Zack to have someone else from FF VII on his team, he might have access to better materia, allowing him to be able to beat the likes of Shadow (and others), but with the stuff he could gets his hands on before his death... nope, not really.
Seifer > Tir - Another one I wanted to give to BaSSiL, but just couldn't. Raw power to Tir and his rune, but Seifer is just too strong and just in another league skill-wise and speed-wise. And it's not like he's weak compared to the Soul Eater with the Guardian Forces he can get his hands on.
Luca Blight < Raziel - Bad matchup for Luca. I think he's a better pure swordsman, but that's about it. Raziel's better everywhere else. Luca doesn't bring much aside from his skill and some craziness, and Raziel's also kind of a loner-type in terms of his skills. Both should just be, you know, doing their thing, and that's about all anyone can ask for from them.
Nobunaga => Roxas - Tough one. One moment I like Roxas' speed and slight skill edge, but then the next I like Nobonaga's durability and power. *shrug* Anyhoo, yeah, both should just hack away at the enemy for as long as their able to.
Sol <= Shadow - Yeesh. Both are hella fast. Both have great skill. Maybe a slight edge to Shadow in the former and Sol in the latter. But once again, variety is the spice of life, and Shadow's magics have the edge there over just fire. Though, despite Shadow being a pretty decent magician, he didn't strike me as the type to rely on that stuff. More of a melee/throwing weapons guy really. But I doubt he'd neglect the magic. Plus he has a ninja dog. Sol doesn't have a ninja dog. Lamer. I forget the dog's name, so we'll just call him Akamaru.
Foxhound < Wu the Lotus Blossom - Wu's gotten unlucky with her actual matchups so far, but the Last Spirit Monk is a really beastly force in this draft, I think. This right here should show why. Start watching at around 6:15 (can't find any video without the commentary, but whatever). That's Sun Li (undrafted) creaming that ship with one punch, and he did that easily. And, by the end of the game, the Last Spirit Monk has gotten so powerful that (in this case) she was able to beat Sun Li straight-up. No excuses, he got beat. She's just better by that point, and that's saying something. Her skill is excellent, strength is massive, she has some nice magic to work with and she can transform into a number of powerful demon forms. Foxhound is still a challenge, though. Big time. But I think her willpower would protect her from Mantis well enough, and bullets probably wouldn't be enough if she were in the form of a massive toad demon. Enough of them, maybe, but Wu probably wins that one. Foxhound still brings a lot to the team. Not seeing too many with weak enough minds fot Mantis to get into, but he could still be very useful. And if nothing else, there's strength in numbers. Not much else than lots of bullets from everyone else on the team, but bullets still hurt last I checked.
The Cobras = Jubei - Don't want to think about this one too much. Jubei's clearly the most powerful in the matchup, but even though they're not beating him anytime soon, a swarm of bees in the face can be one helluva distraction. Enough for him to get hit by some poison arrows? Maybe. And then possibly finished off by a SNIPER RIFLE TO THE FACE!!!? Possibly. The Cobras could potentially be a problem for a number of different opponents.
Los Illuminados = Vivi - Another one I don't care to think too hard on. Again, Vivi's the most powerful in the match, but all three coming at him at once? Maybe he takes down Mendez but is quickly skewered by the Verdugo. Or Maybe he freezes the Verdugo, but then Saddler eats his head. Maybe, maybe not. I could see either side winning that one.
Alexia < Dawn of Dreams - Another case of the individual being the most powerful in the match, but this one I think is clear in favor of the team. This is one of the better team picks that were on the list. All are very, very quick and powerful. So is Alexia, and she brings a brilliant mind to her team as well, but this would be a matchup that she'd lose.
Margulis => Serge - Serge is an underrated powerhouse, but so is Margulis. Neither should've still been on the board at the end of drafting. I'm just glad they were both picked up. Magical power probably to Serge, but skill to Margulis. Jin Uzuki is beast, and thus, so is Margulis. Just check this out starting at 4:20. If Jin can do something on that level, so can Margulis. Not that that was an uber mech, or anything. Just a grunt, really, but it's still impressive by almost any standard.
Yeah, I kinda surprised myself with where I ended up with my decision. But what I'm seeing is a pretty noticable difference in power here. Mainly up at the top for Manson. It kind of starts to even out in the middle and bottom, but that power edge up top is pretty important when everything else is this close.
Healing and support to Kopelle, but it's not as though Manson is helpless in those areas. Magical power would also go to them, but not in a landslide.
Cohesion's... interesting. One would usually lean towards the heroes (and so am I here), but it's not as though there's a ton of awesome connections there. A couple, but mostly it's just a meshing of compatiable personalities. And that's fine. But for a villain team, Manson's not bad off at all. I'm seeing a lot of cool heads on that team. Evil, but cool about it. No real raging psychopaths aside from Luca, and he's not powerful enough to make much of a dent in the team dynamic. No personal grudges to speak of. It should... gel. It really should. Tir and/or Jubei should make for a good leadership tandem for Kopelle, but neither can really compare to Galcian there.
And finally, yeah, Manson just seems to have a significant overall melee skill edge. I don't buy that having a bunch of swordsmen/warriors is too much of a knock. And aside from Luca, they all have options that allow them to attack from a distance.
And not only that, but there's more than just swordsmen there. Alexia and the Metal Gear teams don't qualify. And two dedicated snipers could be pretty useful when it's all said and done.
So yeah, it's very, very close, but I'm going to give this one to Zizz.
Winner: Manson's Real Reality
Ugh, sorry, I need to sleep. I'll do the last one tomorrow.
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Darn it. I cant take the suspense.
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Wait, so Margulis > Serge > Sol? You kiddin' me Batman?
I'll take it though, even if it comes unexpectedly. Zizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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Shadow_of_Durron posted:
Ugh, sorry, I need to sleep. I'll do the last one tomorrow.
No worries. These judgments are totally worth the wait.
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I haven't logged in three of four days and I still haven't been simmed? Shucks.
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o hai chim
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Were still waiting on judgements from shadow.
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Isn't there one more judge?
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Oh, did you think I really said "tomorrow" for the last judgment? I totally meant... like, in a few days. Clean the crap off your computer screens, people!
And did Chim really come in here and make a cute little remark about the slow speed of this draft and then utterly fail to go over to the draft he's in charge of and post the new matches they've been waiting on for days? Interesting...
Dante! and Friends - Dante, Alucard, Yuna, A Realian and Her Bodygaurds, Jack, Crowley, Crono, Emperor Barbarossa, A Frog and a... Robot?, Hugo, Jaina Proudmoore, S.T.A.R.S., Cursers of Dracula and Link (OoT/MM) vs. Wokka Wokka Wokka - Soki, Fei Fong Wong, Zidane Tribal, Solid Snake, Grey Fox, Terra Branford, The Nameless One *mage*, Ike, JC Denton, Gordon Freeman, Dog, Jacques Blanc, Riou and The Arbiter
Dante <= Soki - Match for the ages, really. I suppose in the end I lean slightly towards Soki for the somewhat better raw power he's displayed. Everything seems about as close as close can be. Also, I suppose I'll say here that I have no issues in allowing feats from DMC 4 into this draft for Dante, even though it came out after the draft started. Why? Because peak Dante still continues to be from DMC 2. The events in that game still come last in the timeline, and if for no other reason than experience, Dante's at his peak in DMC 2. Everything from DMC 4 already happened, only we're just now seeing it. It just gives us some more examples of his awesomeness in part 4, is all. And it's not like any of the new toys he used during the game make him a team-buster now or anything... unless it's PRENN's team.
Alucard < Fei - As many cool things Alucard can do and as many fun weapons he can use, Fei's just more powerful. Pretty sweet fight, though. Especially if Alucard gets luckly enough to find himself a Crissagrim sword with his prep. But those are almost impossible to find.
Yuna > Zidane - Zidane's extremely speedy and strong, but I'm just not sure that I see him taking down a prepped Yuna, even if he is all Tranced out. Very close, though. Ah, but of course, Yuna's more useful to her team overall for obvious reasons.
ARaHB > Solid Snake - This one's... not so close. Solid Snake is a definite badass, but this really is one of the better teams that were draftable. Them prepped vs. him prepped is more or less a no-brainer. He couldn't handle all three at the same time on his best day. Snake was a definite slip-up at the #4 slot. He brings a lot of experience, some cool (but hardly overwhelming) toys to his squad, and some awesome-factor, but he was still a big time mistake. The team, on the other hand, brings a ton. MOMO's magical power is immense, and if she's, oh, I dunno, flanked by a couple bodygaurds, she can really bring the hurt. Or heal. Whichever. Ziggy's very durable and strong, and Jr. has some wicked offensive power himself. Again, I almost decided not to group him into a team.
Jack < Grey Fox - Could potentially be a pretty cool match, I suppose, but Fox really is out of Jack's league. But Jack does bring more fun abilities to his squad (BEES TO THE FACE!!! Though I'm still not sold on very many of these guys being all that cool with injecting themselves with plasmids), and he's not as likely to writhe on the ground in intense pain at random intervals. In the end, I still feel that Jack most definitely should've been picked up, but more like in the last couple rounds of the draft.
Crowley < Terra - This is just an incredible matchup. But I lean towards Terra for a couple reasons. Firstly beacuse she's pretty handy (not elite, but very good) with a blade, while Crowley is a bit of a boob in that regard. But mostly it's because of her Esper form. She's just plain beastly in that form. Her already considerable magic power is doubled, as is her physical strength, and her speed and her durability against both magical and physical attacks. Basically everything's doubled, and that spells trouble for a lot of people out there. Plus there's this. Start at around 5:00. That's her flying speed, and at that point, her control was pretty much zero. Esper form won't last forever, but as long as it does, she's a match for almost anyone else out there. But Crowley won't go down easy. He's easily the more experienced magician, and his raw power is probably a bit better than Terra's even at double strength. He could potentially school her in a pure magical battle, but my gut says Terra would be able to get in close and mix it up with him eventually, and then he probably loses. Anyways, both just bring a whole lot to their teams with their magical abilities.
Crono < TNO - Much as I don't care for TNO, when prepped, he's just better than Crono, and brings more to the team. Crono brings fighting skills TNO can't match, but that crazy powerful magic is more potent and definitely more varied than anything Crono can do with his lightning/holy magic.
Barbarossa > Ike - More or less a laugher. Sorry, but from what I've seen of Ike, he was nearly as big a mistake as Snake was going where he did. Perhaps as big, perhaps even bigger. It's mostly because now I know that he has no magical talent whatsoever. And while his skill and agility fall into the superhuman category (based on the one non-gameplay clip of him I could find), it's hardly anywhere near the level of a Dante or anyone else uber like that. Nowhere close. He does have a really nifty and powerful sword, but then, as I pointed out earlier, pretty much everything I just mentioned applies to Viktor from Suikoden, only he was shoved onto a team pick. No way Ike can handle Barbar's hydra form. Not even close. It can take way more punishment than he can dish out, it's fast, it's strong and its magics are pretty nasty as well.
AFaa...R? > JC Denton - Another one I don't consider close at all. I know some people dig JC, but I just don't see it. At all. Yeah, on paper he's got some cool abilities and weapons, I suppose, but show me him using them against anyone or anything even remotely close to the level of baddies that Frog and Robo have faced down. JC can regen? Okay, both Frog and Robo have healing abilities as well. Plus there's stuff like this. Maybe about midway through the game, that was, and the Masamune wasn't even at full strength. JC has a shot against that? When Frog is backed up by Robo, who is very strong himself? No. No, sir, he does not. Frog and Robo are clearly better and bring a lot more to their team's table.
HUGO! <= Gordon - Basically, Gordon's weaponry is going to be a bit too much for Hugo. Raw power is no doubt in Hugo's favor, but the really weird thing is, he's not all that talented at using fire magic (The game gives each character ratings in the different elements, and Hugo rates as being decent at best with fire. And yet, the story goes that he's the one that claims the True Fire Rune. Strange.) I just think that Gordon is too smart to take him head-on with the arsenal he has. He should be able to keep Hugo off balance and win it. And Gordon brings a bit more to his team, I guess.
(Oh, and now is as good a time as any to mention this. I'm pretty much astounded that it was Hugo that was taken when the Esthar team was dropped. Of all the teams, it's shocking that they weren't dropped in favor of Crono's Ladies. I mean... holy crap. Seriously. Those three together were, without a doubt, a top five team on that list. I'd have to go over the team pick list closely again, but they could even be top three. They're better than AFaa...R? if for no other reason than... there's three of them! Out of all five on those two teams, Frog may be the best individual, but I wouldn't hesitate for a moment in voting the Ladies over Frog and Robo. And mostly it's the fact that the chance to have Crono paired with his entire crew (sans Magus, of course) was passed up. I just can't wrap my head around that. That's just pure win, and it was passed on. *sigh* But they shouldn't have been stranded period. It's just that it was this team not taking advantage that was the most painful.)
Jaina > Dog - Easy. Dog's good at what he does. But what he does is nothing special. He's pure brick. All the way. And with all the magic Jaina can summon, he won't last long at all. And, uh, yeah, Dog brings nothing to the team, while Jaina brings much.
S.T.A.R.S. > Jacques Blanc - Jacques is good, but he's clearly the least powerful when it comes to the Onimushas. All three members of the team are capable enough tacticians, and they should be able to come up with a plan to wear Jacques down from all sides, never giving him a break, or what have you.
Cursers of Dracula > Riou - Meh. Even if it was for the healing, I'm not a fan of taking Riou and his half of a True Rune over someone who has access to a whole True Rune. Like, for example, I'd never take him over Lazlo and his Rune of Punishment. Offensively, it's just plain better than the Bright Shield Rune, and it's not like Laz couldn't be equipped with a water rune or something to compensate for the lack of healing. Setting aside that the game that Laz was in more or less sucked, and that he looks like a Doofus in those shorts, Lazlo was a better pick. And the CoD are just too much for Riou. Very good melee from Trevor, sweet agility and speed from Grant and potent magic from Sypha. Riou won't catch a break from any angle.
Link > Arbiter - With the FD mask, Link is simply better than the Arbiter, good as he is. Arbiter bring some nice weapons and tactics, but then so does Link (not so much the tactics, though).
Overall, while Wokka has the edge in power up at the top, the Friends remain more consistently good from top to bottom. Too many picks from Wokka that were taken way too early (Snake, JC) or shouldn't have been taken at all (Dog, possibly Ike).
I also have to agree with Hamm's assessment of the cohesion. A reunited crew from Castlevania III and Crono and some of his buddies make for some nice connections. Along with the great cohesion within the team picks, they're banging on all cylinders. Nothing really wrong at all with Wokka's cohesion, but there's barely anything specific to speak of.
And speaking of team pick cohesion, that brings me to a very important intangible here of strength in numbers. Wokka has no team picks and 14 members straight up, while the Friends are coming in with a small army of 21. Sheer numbers wouldn't mean much if the team picks were crappy ones, but we're talking about teams with a couple guys that could've been argued as plenty good enough to remain as individuals (Jr., Frog), and the rest are no slouches.
I just think the Friends are the better team, uber top two (and a couple beastly lower picks)aside.
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Hammurabi
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Funny that you mention Crono's Ladies, because that occurred to me right around the time the free agent period ended, and persisted to bother me for about a week.
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And did Chim really come in here and make a cute little remark about the slow speed of this draft and then utterly fail to go over to the draft he's in charge of and post the new matches they've been waiting on for days? Interesting...
LOL The pot calling the kettle black. And no Chim really didn't make a comment on the speed of the draft. That would look something like whatever everyone else has been saying, I haven't complained. I honestly had expected to come in here and be simmed since I hadn't even logged here for a few days. Thanks for being your awesome self though Durron!
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I haven't complained. I've rather liked the laid back ability to get other stuff done instead of watching the drafts like a hawk.
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Ill concede this match so that we can move on. Otherwise were gonna spend ages waiting for Aragorn.
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