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Zizz
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RE: The Video Game Draft Version 4.0: IT CAN STOP TIME! (Goooooooo Matches)
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Yeah, Vayne seems pretty frickin awesome.
So you agree with the others then? We're good to move on?
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EmpireForever
Title: Awesomesauce Census & Games mod and definite girl
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5/14 3:21pm
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Yuffie Kisaragi(FF VII) *prepared* vs. Samus Aran (Metroid)
Uhm..No. She's not going to break through that defense any time soon. Samus.
Rinoa Heartilly (FF VIII) vs. Grahf (Xenogears)
Maybe she can heal his heart with the power of love. Grahf.
Xemnas (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Liquid Snake (Metal Gear)
Xemnas.
Xigbar (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Vayne Caradus Solidor (FF XII)
I'm going with Vayne. I like Xigbar's speed, but I don't think he has enough offense. And Vayne has better buffing, Xigbar has shown...no buffing ever, so far as I know.
Vayne
Gordon Freeman (Half-Life) vs. Jak (Jak and Daxter)
Are you sure you want to pick Gordan here, Zizz? Well, I don't. At least not without a solid argument in his favor. Jak seems better suited to win this fight.
Jak
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Shadow_of_Durron
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5/14 4:22pm
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Yuffie Kisaragi(FF VII) *prepared* vs. Samus Aran (Metroid)
Yeah... a hearty scoff at those who think Yuffie has no chance here. In fact, I've been leaning pretty heavily towards Yuffie from the moment the match was called, and I've seen nothing since that's changed my mind. Haven't had the opportunity to play MP3 yet, but I've looked at several boss fights on the Tube and scoured Gamefaqs to see if there was maybe any truly epic pieces of armor or weaponry that Samus got during the course of the game that would allow her to win this one. My findings: Not much more than Samus' typical arsenal. Which is to say it's awesome, but...
Yeah, maybe Yuffie and her shuriken aren't going to be enough to put Samus down for the count (Even though she's shown pinpoint accuracy and control with it, and that she's shown to have more than a little power behind her throws. A lot more powerful than some of the lamer things that have shown to be able to hurt Samus, at least.), but don't you think that something like this just might do the trick. Just maybe.
Or are we forgetting that that materia Kadaj used to summon Bahamut came from Yuffie's stash? Only now instead of fighting it, it'll be on her side. Lord only knows what else was in her stash (like, perhaps, more summons in case Bahamut can't get the job done), but a couple other non-summon materia that was confirmed to be in there was Comet and Flare (the materia used by Loz and Yazoo against Cloud after he defeated Sephiroth), two of the most powerful magical attacks in the game. So suffice it to say that, even if we don't want to give every FF VII character credit for having access to a buttload of awesome materia when prepped just because it's a bit game-mechanic-ish to assume that everyone finished the game with loads of it all leveled up to max, at least Yuffie has access to some incredible materia, including at least one extremely powerful summon. And this isn't the materia moron that is Barrett. Any doubts as to whether Yuffie knows how to use materia properly? Yeah, thought not.
Granted, Bahamut Sin summoned by Yuffie probably won't be quite as effective overall as when it was summoned by the more powerful Kadaj, but still... while I can maybe buy Samus taking out a somewhat watered-down Bahamut Sin all by her lonesome, it's going to take a [i]lot[i] out of her. A big honkin' chunk. More than it'd take to beat something like Ridley, anyways.
And then if she does, she still has to deal with Yuffie herself, who will have some very powerful magical attacks (easily on par with anything Samus can fire off) that can most certainly cause damage. And Yuffie can heal herself, which will probably be necessary because, yes, Samus is definitely more durable than her. Can Samus heal in any way in this battle? Pretty much no.
And sure, Samus is quick and agile. But then, so as Yuffie. She's at least on the same level. Running up vertical surfaces, massive jumps, etc, etc, all with some very nice speed. Samus is surely up against someone who can challenge her in the agility department.
Yuffie more than has the capability to damage Samus with her prep, and I suspect she'll do just that. It's certainly not a blowout, but it seems clear enough in my mind. Of course, if I'm missing something critical from MP3 that BaSSiL wants to fill me in on, I'm not closed to the idea of a flop.
Winner: Yuffie
Rinoa Heartilly (FF VIII) vs. Grahf (Xenogears)
Lame match.
Winner: Grahf
Xemnas (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Liquid Snake (Metal Gear)
Ditto.
Winner: Xemnas
Xigbar (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Vayne Caradus Solidor (FF XII)
Yeah, Vayne is simply more powerful. And he can indeed keep up with Xigbar. No blowout, but clear.
Winner: Vayne
Crono (Chrono Trigger) *forfeit* vs. chaos (Xenosaga) TRUMPED with Vyse (Skies of Arcadia)
Winner: chaos and Vyse
Gordon Freeman (Half-Life) vs. Jak (Jak and Daxter)
Gordon may have a slight edge in weaponry, but Jak creams him in fighting skill and strength and agility. Not to mention Dark/Light Jak. No contest when both are unprepped. And yay for PRENN winning one.
Winner: Jak
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Zizz
Title: M&TV Draft Commish
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5/14 4:27pm
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Are you sure you want to pick Gordan here, Zizz?
I just wanted PRENN to win one.
But really, I don't know much about either character. I was just trying to jumpstart this thing, and from what I knew about both characters from previous drafts, thought Gordon would take it. I guess not.
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EmpireForever
Title: Awesomesauce Census & Games mod and definite girl
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5/14 8:49pm
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Well...Shucks. I guess if Bahamut is Yuffie's then Samus doesn't really have that much of a chance. I guess I didn't realize it was her's. So...Yuffie?
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Shadow_of_Durron
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5/14 9:26pm
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Yeah, all the materia the baddies used in the movie came from the big box of it that Loz stole after he beat Tifa. And it turns out that the box of materia was Yuffie's and that Cloud was kinda holding onto to it for her and keeping it in the church.
Atari 2600 Conference
Tupac's Team in '94 (4) vs. Richard Kopelle and His Therapy Buddys (0)
The B-Team (0) vs. Manson's Real Reality (4)
Kings of the Underworld (4) vs. The Non-De-Scripts (0)
ColecoVision Conference
The Only Way To Go (1) vs. The Fall of Man (3)
Dante! and Friends (1) vs. Rex Inferior (3)
Wokka Wokka Wokka (3) vs. It's The Thought That Counts (1)
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Atari 2600 Conference
Richter Belmont (Castlevania) *prepared* vs. Eiko Carol (FF IX) *prepared*
Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden) vs. Ramirez (Skies of Arcadia)
Luc (Suikoden) *forfeit* vs. Tartarus (Halo)
ColecoVision Conference
Doku (Ninja Gaiden) vs. Onaga (Mortal Kombat)
Link (Legend of Zelda: OoT/MM) *prepared* vs. Queen's Kinghts (Suikoden) *forfeit*
The Nameless One (Planescape) *prepared* vs. Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)[/quote]
Some debate would be fun on the second and fourth matches, methinks.
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5/15 2:09am
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So something is definitely up when all three matches in the Atari conference look more lopsided than Prenn's match.
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5/16 2:11pm
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I would venture to say that Richter's stopwatch would give him ample time to get around Eiko's summon and generally put a hurtin' on her.
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Zizz
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5/16 3:41pm
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Good match here, but it seems pretty straight forward. Not to say that it isn't close or that I believe it should definitely go either way, just the overall lay-out of the match seems straight forward. With Ryu, you're getting a lightening quick speed demon with a whole ton of skill and some nice magic to go along with it. With Ramirez, you're getting more overall power (both magical and physical) with slightly better variety in the magic, and much more durability. You could call it a coin flip.
Still, I think Ram has the slight edge, if only because he has the ability to outlast in a match with Ryu, who's durability is pretty subpar in comparison. Durability seems to be Ryu's biggest weakness, and it's probably one of Ram's biggest strengths, with that awesome healing ability that will definitely show its importance throughout the match. I think that, coupled with the power advantage, should be enough for Ram to overcome the ninja's ridiculous speed and skill. It'll be a tough fight, and definitely drawn out given Ram's probably game plan, but I'm taking the Vice Captain over the ninja. If only slightly.
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5/20 8:13am
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I don't know a great deal about Doku, but I do know that Onaga is a beast in melee combat. I imagine to defeat him, Doku is going to have to have an amazing speed advantage and a high amount of endurance. Because he's not beating him ranged, and he's not beating him in per-hit power. So he's got to rely on stick-and-move. So, if he's got the speed to go in, deliver a few good shots, and get away, and the endurance to do that over and over again without making a big, fatal error, than I say he can get the win and I won't complain.
But absent that, I think the Dragon King is going to be too much.
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5/21 8:42pm
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Richter Belmont (Castlevania) *prepared* vs. Eiko Carol (FF IX) *prepared*
Nah, Eiko has this. Richter's good and all, and I'm pretty sure that any battle strategy he comes up with is likely to be quite a bit better than the six-year-old Eiko's, but in the end, there's only so much that a better strategy can make up for. Richter has power, but it's just dwarfed by her Eidolons, and so really, even if she comes in with only the most simplistic of strategies, she just has to not completely bungle it to win this match. The power gap is simply too wide.
Winner: Eiko
Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden) vs. Ramirez (Skies of Arcadia)
I'm gonna go with Ryu here, but yeah, it is a battle that could swing either way, I guess. I see Ryu's speed being the biggest and widest advantage that either guy has over the other. Ryu's got more skill as well, IMO. Power indeed to Ramirez, but it's not by too much, and sure durability. But Ryu's speed means just that much more in my view. Perhaps if Ramirez's healing ability actually was "awesome", he might be getting my vote. But in reality, it wasn't that great. It was hardly a full heal or anything really close to that. The healing is a factor, but not quite enough I think.
Winner: Ryu
Luc (Suikoden) *forfeit* vs. Tartarus (Halo)
Winner: Tartarsauce
Doku (Ninja Gaiden) vs. Onaga (Mortal Kombat)
Probably the toughest of the round... but upon reflection, it's not all that tough. Neither guy has what can be called blistering speed, but both are definitely faster than they look like they'd be.
But yeah, I think Onaga's just too tough to be taken down by Doku. Even physically, where he's not completely invulnerable. And with his flame attacks, he should be able to stick back and wear down Doku, even if he's in his spirit form. But even up close, I think Onaga has a decent enough advantage. Great fight, but I'm giving my vote to the Dragon King.
Winner: Onaga
Link (Legend of Zelda: OoT/MM) *prepared* vs. Queen's Kinghts (Suikoden) *forfeit*
Winner: Link
The Nameless One (Planescape) *prepared* vs. Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)
Pfft.
Winner: TNO
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I thought I judged already. Oh well. I agree. I've never been terribly impressed with Skies of Arcadia's power. they don't do a whole ton of damage, and Ryu has dealt with some serious nasties.
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Atari 2600 Conference
Tupac's Team in '94 (4) vs. Richard Kopelle and His Therapy Buddys (1)
The B-Team (1) vs. Manson's Real Reality (4)
Kings of the Underworld (4) vs. The Non-De-Scripts (1)
ColecoVision Conference
The Only Way To Go (1) vs. The Fall of Man (4)
Dante! and Friends (2) vs. Rex Inferior (3)
Wokka Wokka Wokka (4)color] vs. [color=orange]It's The Thought That Counts (1)
3's company.
Atari 2600 Conference
Sora (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Raziel (Legacy of Kain)
Samanosuke Akechi (Onimusha) vs. Alexia Ashford (Resident Evil) *prepared*
Umbrella (Resident Evil) *prepared* vs. Seymour Guado (FF X)
ColecoVision Conference
Neclord (Suikoden) *prepared* vs. Gill (Street Fighter)
Jaina Proudmoore (Warcraft) vs. Auron (FF X) *forfeit*
Zidane Tribal (FF IX) vs. Master Chief (Halo)
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Sorry for my long hiatus folks. I have been working 12 hour days here and there, splitting two jobs and it all really sucks on finding time to log in here. Plus I went to the Indy Midnight showing the other day on top of work so I was really drained, but it was worth it since it was a pretty cool movie.
Anyway I have found some more time so I am back to the boards for a bit. Just wanted to let you all know I am ok and alive and etc...Now I need to catch up on things, so onto business.
Can't say I agree much with the last few judgments, mainly this last one here between Doku and Onaga. Ryu in Gaiden is pretty fast. I mean no it isn't like flash step fast but he is still pretty swift and Doku is every bit as fast and definitely faster than Onaga. If speed is a contributor here Doku certainly takes it. Aside from his Magical Invulnerability I don't see much that Onaga is capable of or has done, but that's just me. When I argue the same things for my Mortal Kombat Shokan Team they get nothing, even against lower opponents, but here Onaga is awesomesauce? Eh. Whatever.
And as far as the Vayne/Xig match goes, just so I am clear what 'form' did the judges use to base their decisions off of? Because that is kinda imprortant, if to no one besides me. I would still like to know.
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Anything up to and including this form for Vayne. His final merged form wouldn't be applicable for this draft. It'd be kind of like getting a free trump with Venat.
And sorry, but while Doku is most definitely not slow, he is absolutely, positively, 100% not "every bit as fast as Ryu". I mean... geez...
(Although if you can provide an example of Doku's speed that manages to equal what Ryu shows just after the 6:40 mark of this video, I'll gladly eat my words. Although having played through the game once in each of its releases (original, Black, Sigma), I kinda already know that such an example doesn't really, you know, exist.)
And the Shokans? Really? Okay, I have a really simple explanation as to why that's just a horrible comparison. First off, a team consisting of Raiden, Quan Chi and Shang Tsung is a lot better than the Shokans. Easily. They're maybe not as physically strong, but they're a lot more powerful and skilled. It's no contest. And did Onaga face off against that particular team-up which would lay waste to the Shokans? Yep, he surely did. And what was the result? They could do practically nothing to him. Absolutely nothing aside from slowing him down, and then maybe merely stunning him after Raiden sacrificed his life force to unleash a full-powered blast which brought a pretty enormous temple down around (and on top of) the Dragon King.
Should have this round's judgments up later.
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