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EmpireForever
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5/4 11:59am
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Well, if Frog is really pushing himself there, and Jin is having sunday tea, then I think there is a significant power advantage. Three against two with a cohesion bump is nice, but that just doesn't seem like it can be overcome, especially when I think that the 2 man team is a bit more skilled and slightly faster as well. So I disagree on that one.
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I'll say!
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Aragorn327
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For me, the cohesion is enough to slide it. They've worked together as a team, and done in well. The Uzukis have no idea the other exists. Thrown into a fight, they'd certainly work together, and likely work very well...but there's no experience to fall back on.
It'd go to the Xeno pair if we had a 2v2 fight, but the teamwork and booted number of the group, is enough for me here, despite my love of the other trump.
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Shadow_of_Durron
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5/7 9:44pm
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Atari 2600 Conference
Tupac's Team in '94 (1) vs. Richard Kopelle and His Therapy Buddys (0)
The B-Team (0) vs. Manson's Real Reality (1)
Kings of the Underworld (1) vs. The Non-De-Scripts (0)
ColecoVision Conference
The Only Way To Go (0) vs. The Fall of Man (1)
Dante! and Friends (1) vs. Rex Inferior (0)
Wokka Wokka Wokka (1) vs. It's The Thought That Counts (0)
And now some 4.
Atari 2600 Conference
Ratchet (Ratchet and Clank) TRUMPED with Riku (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Serge (Chrono Cross)
Zero (Mega Man X) vs. Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic series) *prepared*
Akuma (Street Fighter) vs. Magus (Chrono Trigger)
ColecoVision Conference
Xaldin (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Zeal (Chrono Trigger)
Crowley (Suikoden) vs. Chris Lightfellow (Suikoden) TRUMPED with Auron (FF X)
Solid Snake (Metal Gear) *prepared* vs. Sam Fisher (Splinter Cell)
Okay, I guess I'm willing to entertain arguments for Serge, Magus, Zeal and Crowley, but just know that I'm leaning pretty heavily against all of them right now. Probably expect judgments pretty soon.
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Against Zeal? Sounds good to me.
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I can copy and paste a previous argument for Shadow if you want me to, just to rub it in to my opponent.
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Shadow_of_Durron
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Ratchet (Ratchet and Clank) TRUMPED with Riku (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Serge (Chrono Cross)
Serge vs. Riku would be tough to call. Serge vs. this trump... not so much. Basically, Serge has enough on his plate as it is trying to deal with Riku. So, even if Ratchet's not prepped with an optimized arsenal, him just peppering Serge at every opportunity with even a weapon like his standard blaster is going to cause more than enough of a distraction. And distractions are not something Serge can afford in this fight at all. One critical slipup and he'd probably be on the defensive until he finally just gets worn down and beaten.
Winner: Ratchet and Riku
Zero (Mega Man X) vs. Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic series) *prepared*
I think there could be one way for Zero to win this match. Just one.
Winner: Shadow
Akuma (Street Fighter) vs. Magus (Chrono Trigger)
This is definitely a very good match, but unfortunately for Magus, he really only has one thing going for him here. That being that his magical attacks are more varied. Magus is skilled in the melee, but Akuma is on a whole other level. Magus is pretty strong and fast, but Akuma is just that much better when it comes to both. Pure power, speaking of Magus' magic and Akuma's hado attacks seems pretty close, but still probably an edge to Akuma. And then, yeah, like I said, vareity of it to Magus, though.
That just isn't enough, IMO, though. Akuma's simply a better, stronger fighter one-on-one. Won't be at all easy, but he'll win it.
Winner: Akuma
Xaldin (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Zeal (Chrono Trigger)
Again, not a blowout at all, but I like Xaldin here. Advantages to Zeal include her magical variety, and even an edge in raw power. But that said, she's absolutely useless in terms of melee.
For the most part, I'm not too big on pure magicians with no melee skill to speak of being sent into battle by themselves with no prep. Usually when that's the case, and the battle is at all close, I'm going to tend to vote against them more often than not. But clearly the key word there being that it has to be close. Obviously I'm not going to vote just any ol' boob over a magician of Zeal's caliber just because they can swing a sword around a bit and know a couple piddly, amateur spells.
But Xaldin isn't just any ol' boob. He's pretty much only got wind magic, and it's not as strong as Zeal's, but it's still not something to scoff at. And he's a lot faster, and he isn't just a little skilled. He's got a ton of that stuff. Zeal's probably going to have too much trouble even keeping up with Xaldin to have any real hope of gutting it out and winning. Again, pretty close, but...
Winner: Xaldin
Crowley (Suikoden) vs. Chris Lightfellow (Suikoden) TRUMPED with Auron (FF X)
Pretty much what I just talked about. Crowley's utterly dominated in melee skill by this trump. Chris is very good, but Auron's a whole lot better. And Chris' True Water Rune at least gives Crowley a run for his money in terms of raw magical power, even if Chris' effectivness with it is lessened because she's... just not that much of a naturally gifted magician. It's mostly a healing rune, but it's got some good offensive attacks as well. I have little doubt that she'd be able keep Crowley and his magic occupied long enough for Auron to get in close, and then, yeah, pretty much over.
Winner: Chris and Auron
Solid Snake (Metal Gear) *prepared* vs. Sam Fisher (Splinter Cell)
Yeah... my friend loves this one. He's got this weird, moronic thing going on with this sort of passionate hate he has for Sam Fisher and the Splinter Cell series in general. Every time either Sam or the games has ever been mentioned in his presence, he goes off on this crazy tirade about how Solid Snake would kick Sam Fisher's ass. Every time. And no one ever disagrees with him, but still, every opportunity he gets, he takes the time out to remind us all for some stupid reason.
I think he's just an overzealous Metal Gear fanboy who has some crazy notion that Metal Gear is the only series that has any sort of right to involve stealth and sneaking around as a gameplay element. Even though the two series aren't much alike aside from that. How dare Sam Fisher sneak around in the shadows! Solid Snake did it first!
Anyways, yeah, Sam's not a chump, but compared to Snake, he sorta is. Metal Gear is just over-the-top and Snake's got some skill a somewhat more realistic character like Sam could never even dream of matching, and experience against enemies that Sam would probably make Sam crap in his stealth suit if he ever had to face them.
Oh, and yeah, I forgot Snake was prepped while I was typing this out. No contest at all. None.
Winner: Solid Snake
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EmpireForever
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Ok, I just agree. Sure, variety is nice, but when it's all doing the same ammount of damage, it's not that much of a benefit, is it? Akuma outbeasts him, I think. By a bit. That was really the only one I was thinking about.
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Aragorn327
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EmpireForever posted:
Ok, I just agree. Sure, variety is nice, but when it's all doing the same ammount of damage, it's not that much of a benefit, is it? Akuma outbeasts him, I think. By a bit. That was really the only one I was thinking about.
For the best. I was going to go Magus because of my extreme hatred for the Street Fighter characters.
I mean, um...because of my flawless rational reasoning.
Damn.
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Shadow_of_Durron
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Easy enough round.
Strago Magus TRUMPED with Celes Chere (FF VI) vs. Wu the Lotus Blossom (Jade Empire)
Wu just can't catch a break with the matchups. But yeah, it's just too much. Celes alone is enough to worry about. Maybe I could see some scenarios in which Strago gets taken down, but Wu isn't gonna bust this trump.
Winner: Strago and Celes
Sonic the Hedgehog (Sonic series) vs. Nobunaga Oda (Onimusha) TRUMPED with Margulis (Xenosaga)
Kind of the same thing. Sonic is definitely faster, but this is just a whole mess of power and skill being thrown at him. It'll probably take him a while to get tagged the first time, but this trump is up to the task.
Winner: Nobunaga and Margulis
Arthas (Warcraft) *prepared* vs. Reptile (Mortal Kombat)
Beatdown.
Winner: Arthas
Nevan (Devil May Cry) *prepared* vs. Kratos (God of War)
Prepped for a quality ass-whipping. Kratos'll teach her to think twice before messing with a Spartan. This is madness!
Winner: Kratos
Emperor Barbarossa (Suikoden) vs. Blue Rogues (Skies of Arcadia) TRUMPED with Queen's Knights (Suikoden) *prepared*
Pfft. Overkillmus Prime. The six-on-one thing is already more than enough, as these teams should gel well enough. The prep just makes it, well... yeah. Especially with Georg's specific knowledge on Barbar. He didn't fight against him, but he did serve as his greatest general at one point.
Winner: Blue Rogues and Queen's Knights
JC Denton (Deus Ex) *prepared* vs. Mushroom Kingdom (Super Mario Bros.)
Honestly? I could actually hear some argument on this one. But then... well, yeah, sorry PRENN, but there is kinda the whole "let's just move the hell on" factor.
If JC can take out the team's main man quick enough (And I think he can. Remember that Mario can theoretically be knocked out by bumping up against a turtle four times.  ) then the rest of them should crumble as a unit. I can just imagine Luigi being frozen in place as the sight of a fist-sized hole in his bro's face just kinda fails to register with his brain. As Toad scrambles to make sense of the situation, he gets cut down by automatic gunfire. Then JC strolls up, places a live grenade into the overalls of the catatonic Luigi and then solidly pushes him a safe distance away. Then he'll walk over to Peach as she kneels weepingly over her boyfriend's corpse and puts a Desert Eagle to her head. Then, with bloody chunks of Luigi raining down all around them, she looks up into the barrel of the gun with tear-streaked eyes as JC slooooowly cocks the hammer back, and...
Winner: JC Denton
EDIT: Whoops. My bad. Thought I hit quote, not edit. Had the matches posted all proper, but then I kinda judged over them just now. Sorry... anyhoo, those are the current matchups.
Oh, and it's #8, btw.
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I think the only decent one is Trump Vs. Sonic. Sonic is just so fast...yet without any kind of power up at all, his strength is not all that, and neither is his durability(I mean, in game, it's basically two hits, in cutscenes I don't think I've seen him be hit, and it's a whole other thing in the cartoons). It's not too bad, but Margulis is pretty quick himself, and his trump-mate is no chump. So, yeah, Sonic will probably get some speed blitz in early, and then he'll be his cocky old self, and Margulis will let him have it.
Oh, and Mushroom Kingdom would have had my vote with prep. That's actually a really fun team if they get the right items and stuff.
I agree.
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Shadow_of_Durron
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Yeah, absolutely Mario and pals would take that one with some prep. Pretty easily, actually.
Atari 2600 Conference
Tupac's Team in '94 (3) vs. Richard Kopelle and His Therapy Buddys (0)
The B-Team (0) vs. Manson's Real Reality (3)
Kings of the Underworld (3) vs. The Non-De-Scripts (0)
ColecoVision Conference
The Only Way To Go (1) vs. The Fall of Man (2)
Dante! and Friends (1) vs. Rex Inferior (2)
Wokka Wokka Wokka (3) vs. It's The Thought That Counts (0)
So, 9 now.
Atari 2600 Conference
Yuffie Kisaragi(FF VII) *prepared* vs. Samus Aran (Metroid)
Rinoa Heartilly (FF VIII) vs. Grahf (Xenogears)
Xemnas (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Liquid Snake (Metal Gear)
ColecoVision Conference
Xigbar (Kingdom Hearts) vs. Vayne Caradus Solidor (FF XII)
Crono (Chrono Trigger) *forfeit* vs. chaos (Xenosaga) TRUMPED with Vyse (Skies of Arcadia)
Gordon Freeman (Half-Life) vs. Jak (Jak and Daxter)
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This might be a stretch here, but I think that some limit breaks from Yuffie along with the right materia setup, which she'd have prepped, makes this one closer than the experts think. Perhaps even enough to pull the upset!
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Let's jumpstart this thing again, eh?
Samus
Grahf
Xemnas
Those are the easy ones. The 6th match seems like it would go to Gordon at first glance, but I may be wrong. That leaves the 4th match, which is quite the doozy.
Is this Vayne's first or second form for the match? I assume it's his second and more powerful form, and that could be pretty important. I would think Vayne would have the advantage in terms of power, he's got some pretty beastly combos as well as some ridiculously powerful attacks. He's also got a wider variety of magic, with his ability to cast haste (OMG TIEM MANIP and so on and so forth) and erect shields to protect him. He appears to use physical attacks for the most part though.
Xigbar's one big advantage, like most of the Org members, is his speed. Maybe a skill advantage, but that could be called a push. His magic is pretty powerful too, so you can't doubt that. Overall though, this match seems to be a whole ****ton of power against a bunch of speed. Like I said, it's a doozy.
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The thing with Vayne is that he casts like an uber-haste on himself, then dispels anything on the party and uber-slows them, IIRC. Then he pummels with magic and physical attacks. His physical attacks are also distance. So he relies on keeping himself amped up to be better than the opponent and then hindering them. And, like all other people when fighting Vayne, Xigbar is going to be worrying about what barrier is up and getting rid of Vayne's positive effects while getting rid of the hindrances that Vayne puts on him. Vayne's spells are all area based, as well. So there isn't really a way out unless Xigbar begins to anticipate and teleport out at the right time. But by that time, I'd think Vayne has it in the bag.
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