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Should the phrase "under God" be taken out of the United States Pledge of Allegiance?
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neeldawg66
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1/24/03 2:51pm
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RE: Should the phrase "under God" be taken out of the United States Pledge of Allegiance?
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Yes, it should be.
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QueenPadme
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1/24/03 2:57pm
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Should definitely be removed from the pledge and from money. I also don't think the 10 commandants should be displayed in government buildings.
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GaerialCaptison
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1/24/03 6:22pm
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I vote that it should not be removed, however I am saddened that those of us who do belive in GOD, often do not live as if we do. Our nation as a whole does not often live up to the phrase which has become so controversial in the United States POA.
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JacenHornSolo
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RE: Should the phrase "under God" be taken out of the United States Pledge of Allegiance?
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This country (America) was founded on God, and it will meet an even sooner demise without God in it. He will always be here. But His effect will be minimal with so many people rejecting Him outright.
So the answer is no.
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JacenHornSolo
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Saint_of_Killers
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2/11/03 11:02am
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It wasn't built on god, it was built on freedom. Including freedom of religion. Which means the government shouldn't favour any religion. Which means it goes.
It wasn't even in the pledge originally. It was added in the 50's.
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Jedi_Master201
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2/12/03 8:57pm
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Well, it won't let me vote for some odd reason, but I think it should stay.
If it goes, I suppose every Bible verse on the walls of most of our nation's federal buildings should be chiseled off, or every mention of the Christian God in the speeches of our founding fathers edited out. Which, of course, would be insane.
"It wasn't built on god, it was built on freedom. Including freedom of religion. Which means the government shouldn't favour any religion. Which means it goes."
When our founding fathers stressed religious freedom, I'm pretty sure they weren't talking about petty things like this. They were concerned with the country forcing one religion on everyone, and persecuting those who chose to follow their own religion. Having something printed on money or spoken in the pledge of allegiance is hardly persecution.
As for what this country was or wasn't founded on, most of the founding fathers, if not all, believed in God, and most were Christian. Christian principle and morals were handed down and taught in families and schools during the early days of our country. Our nation was founded on God, if not officially, then at least unofficially. And the government doesn't favor any one religion over another these days anyway. I'm sure when they first put "God" on buildings and such, Thomas Jefferson didn't get his underwear in a bunch, even though he wasn't Christian. God, as many others in this thread have said, is a rather generic title.
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ISD_Devastator
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2/13/03 12:23am
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Yes. Far away.
Remove the church from the state.
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Master Salty
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2/13/03 1:51pm
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No
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Jansons_Loving_Twin
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2/13/03 1:53pm
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No, it's a part of the pledge and a part of the country.
Separation of Church and State was designed to protect the Church and the people, not the State.
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Master-Jedi-Smith
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Separation of Church and State was designed to protect the Church and the people, not the State.
Be that as it may, the separation of church and state allows ALL people to believe or NOT BELEIVE in a religion, without the state forcing upon them a certain point of view.
For me to have the words "under God" in MY pledge, when I do not believe in a god, seems to be doing just that.
Where's my protection from that?
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Be that as it may, the separation of church and state allows ALL people to believe or NOT BELEIVE in a religion, without the state forcing upon them a certain point of view.
For me to have the words "under God" in MY pledge, when I do not believe in a god, seems to be doing just that.
'God' can mean whatever you want it to mean.
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Jedi_Master201
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I personally do not see why it's a problem for people who don't believe in God. Our society seems to do a LOT of things out of tradition that were once done out of religious reasons. How is this any different?
For those of us who love God, though, and want His name to remain out of our dependence upon Him (the dependence the founding fathers had), His name should be left in there. Those who don't believe don't have to believe. No one's forcing the belief in God on you.
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RE: Should the phrase "under God" be taken out of the United States Pledge of Allegiance?
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I think it's just another form of PCness.
The real question is this:
If you don't believe in God and think that "Under God" being in the pledge is offensive, and I do believe in God and I feel that "under God" being removed is offensive, who's civil rights are more important than the other's? Who's harmed the most?
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Master-Jedi-Smith
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'God' can mean whatever you want it to mean.
If that is the case, why does the word show up in the pledge?
'God' in the pledge is most certainly referring to a deity. And a Judeo-Christian one at that. (please refer to my past posts in this thread for the origins of how and why "under God" was put into the pledge.)
For those of us who love God, though, and want His name to remain out of our dependence upon Him (the dependence the founding fathers had), His name should be left in there. Those who don't believe don't have to believe. No one's forcing the belief in God on you.
I'm not telling you to stop loving a god. I'm not even telling you to stop believing in one. But when it comes to something that belongs to everyone in the USA, such as the POA, I believe it should be neutral.
Taking out "under God" will not stop those of you who believe in a god from believing in one, will it? You still have the right to worship a god at home or at church.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, why should I feel like a second class citizen in my own country just because I don't believe in 'God'? Why should I be subjected to religious references in my government? I thought this was a free country? I guess it is only free if you believe in a god (judeo-christian in particular), and the rest of us should just grin and bare it.
Oh well! 
p.s. Please don't take me for someone who sits around all day and makes this argument my life mission. I just like some friendy discussion about the subject. In the overall scheme of things, this is not a big deal! 
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