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Should the phrase "under God" be taken out of the United States Pledge of Allegiance?
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Jedi_Master_Ron
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Date Posted:
6/21 2:27pm
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RE: Should the phrase "under God" be taken out of the United States Pledge of Allegiance?
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Yes. This country was founded on the principles of religious freedom (this includes freedom from religion as well). That being said, there should be no reference to any specific deity in our pledge or on our currency. It really is unconstitutional to favor one religion over another, and based on the way they're worded, the phrases "In 'God' We Trust," and "One Nation Under 'God'" are almost certainly referencing the Christian god.
I think it's worth noting that the Pledge of Allegiance was originally written by a Baptist minister and Christian Socialist (on September 7, 1892), who chose not to include the line: “one nation under ‘God’” in the pledge of allegiance. That phrase was included several years later (in the mid 1900s).
Also, the first one-dollar bill was printed in 1862, and the phrase: “In ‘God’ We Trust” was not included on the bill until 1955, from what I can recall.
Though I'm going to have to agree with JediMasterCheGuevara too. I don't think we should be made to pledge allegiance to anything.
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JediVegeta
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Interesting debate in this thread. No time to post a long post about it, however, I will just simply state, "No". If you don't like that part of the pledge, just don't say it. That is what my friend does at least.
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KissMeImARebel posted:
JediMasterCheGuevara posted:
I don't think we should be made to pledge allegiance.
I agree with that too.
Do you realize that it is unconstitutional to force one to say the Pledge of Allegiance? While one may sometimes feel pressured into saying it, under the law, one is never obliged.
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FoolyCooly
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No, never.
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KissMeImARebel
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6/22 10:14am
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Onoto posted:
KissMeImARebel posted:
JediMasterCheGuevara posted:
I don't think we should be made to pledge allegiance.
I agree with that too.
Do you realize that it is unconstitutional to force one to say the Pledge of Allegiance? While one may sometimes feel pressured into saying it, under the law, one is never obliged.
I can't speak for Che, but, yes, I'm aware of that. I remember in first grade there was a girl who didn't say it.
I'm still rather uncomfortable with the 'pressure' as you say though. It may not be a legal requirement but it seems like an unneccesary cultural one to me.
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Despised1
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6/22 10:25am
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No. The word "God" as it is used in the pledge (and on currency) is very ambiguous, and it specifies no individual religion. It can refer to the Islamic/Jewish/Christian interpretations of "God", as well as many other religions.
The only people it doesn't seem to work for is atheists, but like it or not even though we have freedom of (or even from) religion in the USA, the country was founded upon common religious beliefs and this has been a part of it since it's inception.
As an agnostic I have no problem with the term because it is used in such a generic way.
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Miana Kenobi
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6/22 11:35am
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No. If you don't want to say "under god," then just don't say it. *shrugs*
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DVeditor
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6/23 10:25am
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RE: Should the phrase "under God" be taken out of the United States Pledge of Allegiance?
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No, I'm absolutely 110% for it staying in there.
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Yes. It's unnecessary.
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rumsmuggler
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No..
If you don't like it, then don't say God when that part comes up.
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NickLitYouAFlame
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6/29 4:33pm
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I don't Pledge anyway.
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RE: Should the phrase "under God" be taken out of the United States Pledge of Allegiance?
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Yes. It makes non-religious people uncomfortable, even people who, like myself, belong to monotheistic religions.
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DarthButt
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DVeditor posted:
No, I'm absolutely 110% for it staying in there.
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KnightWriter
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The entire pledge should go away, but that's another story.
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