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Master Salty
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1/29/03 10:49pm
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But you all know I'm right, because you can't counter my arguments. When you can I might consider you to be more than ignorant
Considering that you're trying to force your opinions down people's throat might explain why you're being ignored. You've put your arguments out and it's been noted. You can't force people to accept your opinions just like nobody can force you to accept their opinion. Give it a rest.
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La_Capitan
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1/30/03 7:57am
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Death Star Bad- Rebels Good
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The force is not with me....
Or is it?
No, its not.
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DarthDrew
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1/30/03 8:30am
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Death Star Bad- Rebels Good
You saying that with a picture of an Imperial Officer as your picture is probably the funniest par of your post.
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"Supporting our troops" and "Disagreeing with the administration" are _not_ mutually exclusive concepts!
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Master Salty
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You saying that with a picture of an Imperial Officer as your picture is probably the funniest par of your post.
That's an excellent point.
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ForceHeretic
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I've shoving it down people's throats because people won't note it, listen or acknowledge anything
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Dark Lady Mara
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1/30/03 6:36pm
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I don't think reiterating the same points so many times will make people more likely to believe them. Maybe if you tried a different approach?
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Tayschrenn
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I think Mara has a point. 
Tayschrenn
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KnightWriter
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1/30/03 6:46pm
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I've shoving it down people's throats because people won't note it, listen or acknowledge anything
That kind of approach may get you removed from here. Be respectful or please don't post.
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Master Salty
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1/30/03 11:31pm
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I've shoving it down people's throats because people won't note it, listen or acknowledge anything
Bad idea and what KW said. Most people here are intelligent and thoughtful and should be treated that way.
EDIT: Said intelligent twice.
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Darth_Tallwon
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Amazing simply amazing,
Ive been posting for a short time... So I will not boast on credentials. I am a simple Star Wars Fan. Nothing more nothing less. To see my fellow fans argue over the most basic idea in the cosmos dissapoints me. What really is evil?
I have said it many times, the Empire is the epitomy of evil. Thier are no gray areas in the destruction of a planet because you suspect that some of its populace are rebellious.
The Empire was never at war with Alderaan!!
Let that point ring true through all of the US bashing, Alliance hating, and nearly inane evil branding.
I love democracy, I love America, We all hold that life is valuable. None of us (most perhaps) is callus enough to believe George Lucas intended his work of fiction to be compared to the world we know.
Please remember, (all of us), that this story takes place in galaxy far far away, and a very long time ago.
With that said lets try to have some decorum and not break down into petty insults...or ramming truth down peoples throats.
(If Palpatine was here he'd be proud of my diplomatic forae!)
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Master Salty
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1/31/03 12:00am
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Very well said and Palpy would only be happy if you had evil intentions for being nice.
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GrandAdmiralJello
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1/31/03 1:05am
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The Imperial government was not involved in the decision that resulted in the destruction of Alderaan. The Emperor was kept completely in the dark about the matter and Tarkin never contacted him for any sort of approval.
How can the action of a rogue governor acting without the authority or blessing of his sovereign indict the Empire as an institution.
The Galactic Empire was forced into a state of total warfare against the Rebellion. After the destruction of Alderaan, which was not a condoned action, the Empire moved swiftly against the Rebellion. It's actions in that war were undertaken out of necessity.
Master Salty: As I recall, the Songhai Empire in Africa was an oppressive regime with strict social guidelines. It brutally cracked down on those who broke the law in that nation.
However, the normal citizen of that empire was well-off. As long as they did not steal, murder, rape, or pillage--they lived their lives in peace. The concept of crime slowly dewindled until it disappeared completely.
If a citizen is content with life and is not causing a government crackdown, then they had absolutely no reason to fight against the government.
As I recall, the Songhai Empire existed for a few hundred years without problems until Morroccans with muskets wiped them out.
Who is to say that the average citizen of the Empire is oppressed?
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DarthDrew
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The Imperial government was not involved in the decision that resulted in the destruction of Alderaan. The Emperor was kept completely in the dark about the matter and Tarkin never contacted him for any sort of approval.
[sarcasm] Wow! It's great to make your acquaintance! Someone who was actually there like a fly on Tarkin's wall! [/sarcasm] But, seriously folks, we don't know what involvement the Emperor had in the whole deal. Obviously Vader was there too, so it needn't be Tarkin who got the approval for the destruction of Alderaan, it could have been Vader. "My friend, please contact our superior and inform him of what we are about to do. Make sure we are authorized to undertake this part of our plan to root out these rebels. And tell him I said 'Hi.'"
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"Supporting our troops" and "Disagreeing with the administration" are _not_ mutually exclusive concepts!
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Master Salty
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1/31/03 7:44am
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Why would Tarkin take control and make his own decisions when the Emperor gave the governors complete authority? Not to mention, Tarking specifically chose a highly visible target. I don't think the Emperor minded that much and if he did, it wouldn't matter. Tarkin was killed. The DS was meant to be a terror weapon and was used as such.
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Warlord_Ken
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1/31/03 12:46pm
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Dark Lady Mara:
You countered it yourself somewhat earlier in the post, actually. We live in an age of moral relativism.
I know. But I wanted to see what Delance had to say about it.
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