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MasterAnders Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 2/28/03 10:15am Subject: Luke Vader duel
	In ROTJ luke beats vader,if you look closer see how many open rooms luke made vader could easely killed or unarmed luke. what do you guys think -----signature----- " I have abided by three laws in my life. Honor the gods, love your woman, and defend your country" Hector: Prince of Troy
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Darth-Horax Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 2/28/03 10:31am Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	? -----signature----- CREATOR and ORIGINATOR of the Jedi Draft Series Founding High Councilman: SWC Jedi Trials Council Master of Vaapad (Form VII), Form I, and Form III Proud founding member of the Fecal Force Sir Trailer Link-Sarcasm Knights of the YJCC
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Master_Sidious Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 2/28/03 10:46am Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	Try rewording the question. It makes absolutely no sense. -----signature----- "Your faith in your friends is yours" "So be it, Jedi" "Young fool... only now, at the end, do you understand." "Now young Skywalker, you will die" Film Rankings: 1)ESB 2)ROTS 3)AOTC 4)ROTJ 5)ANH 6) TPM
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MasterAnders Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 2/28/03 11:37am Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	Again. Luke beats vader to easy,luke made many open rooms and vader dont attack? -----signature----- " I have abided by three laws in my life. Honor the gods, love your woman, and defend your country" Hector: Prince of Troy
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darth-skycrawler Registered: Aug '01	Date Posted: 2/28/03 11:45am Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	Master Unders is to saying that when Luke thought Vader it appears tha he won very easily. After a close look though he claims that Luke left himself open on anumber of occasions. He then continues that Vader should have been able to main or kill Luke when heleft himself open. I personall agree with this theory. I think if you look at th duel it is clear that Vader could have killed Luke with ease when he went into his age but the love he had for his son stopped him.
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_Xanatos_ Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 2/28/03 12:39pm Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel - Date Edited: 2/28/03 12:40pm (1 edits total) Edited By: _Xanatos_
	Go darth-skycrawler -----signature----- Jedi Knight and friend to Master Skiara Do you know the muffin man? I am Batman
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PMT99 Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 3/1/03 12:20am Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	I don't agree with this theory because Vader was already getting tired during the final assault because by the time Luke had Vader down, you'll notice that Vader was breathing heavily like he was exhausted so he wasn't able to seize the opportunity to strike down Luke due to the length of time he wasted during the duel.
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Diogonese Registered: Jul '02	Date Posted: 3/1/03 12:33am Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	...ummm, why would Vader get tired? Isn't he; "more machine, then man"? And why would he have been breathing heavily? Wasn't his breathing mechanically regulated?
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-Winter- Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 3/1/03 1:22am Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	Maybe, just maybe, Vader subconsciously didn't want to kill Luke; he did save Luke in the end. You might as well ask why Vader didn't just force-choke him to death. This is a movie. -----signature----- Hot damn! I'm going to Sea World! Moo. .. [This signature has been edited by Chyren (edited 01-25-2003).]
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Darth Kroger Registered: Apr '00	Date Posted: 3/1/03 1:30am Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	^ Good answer I like to put it down to the fact that Luke is just faster than Vader. Yeah he left himself open quite a number of times (not nearly being up to Vaders standard as a sword fighter) but then Luke doesnt have to deal with being wrapped in a transportable iron lung either. Luke's speed, when coupled with his unleashed frustration-fuelled strength, is what wins him the fight. -----signature----- I wish it was the sixties. I wish we could be happy. I wish that something would happen.
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The_Anakin_Wannabe Registered: Jan '03	Date Posted: 3/1/03 2:52am Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	I think Vader couldn't bring himself to kill his son. Luke even says that same thing to Vader. Whilst Vader tries to shrug it off, he still cannot bring himself to do it. -----signature----- Lovely girl your the murder in my world, dressing coffins for the souls I've left to die drinking mecury, to the mystery of all that you should ever leave behind
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Cal_Omas Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 3/1/03 9:12am Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	Of course, Vader could have destroyed Luke anyime he wanted to. He knew it, Luke knew it, Obi-Wan and Yoda knew it. But Vader would never kill his own son. He just couldn`t. -----signature----- Formerly known as Alderaanian_Jedi It has to do with a bizarre concept called democracy, in which ruling power is given to whoever is most skillful at directing the herd instincts of the largest masses of their most ignorant citizens. -Nom Anor.
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NiktosRule Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 3/1/03 6:39pm Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	I don't think Vader was trying to win the duel. The purpose was to get Luke to turn to the darkside and to do that he had to strike someone down. Vader was expendable and probably told by Palpy to not go all out. -----signature----- "We didn't have a message when we left. How very odd." "Me fail English? Thats umpossible" "Those who would make revolutions in the world, those who want to do good in this world must sleep only in the tomb." -Louis Saint-Just "Lafayette, we are here."
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Kia-Ruse Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 3/1/03 8:52pm Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	Luke wailed all over Vader blatently. At the risk of sounding redundant, this is once again the 'Seven Forms Of Jedi Dueling' seen cinematically. Vader and Luke are practicioners of Form V dueling, the most agressive form developed through kinetic and energetic aid of the Force. No way Vader, at this point in his 'mechanical life' could have held off Luke, a boy who's pure training and very being flows from the Force. Luke's style is, in no way, elegant or even skilled but he basically bludgeons his father to pieces using a Form that his father no longer has the speed or strength to utilise effectively. -----signature----- 'This.........is God!' Freddy Krueger A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)
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Dark Lady Mara Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '99	Date Posted: 3/1/03 8:57pm Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel - Date Edited: 3/1/03 8:59pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Dark Lady Mara
	I don't think Luke has a form, actually, since he never learned how to duel properly. Have you noticed how baseball-like a lot of his whacking is? He slashes about wildly, which is a very poor strategy to use against someone like Vader, who can overpower him easily. Since Vader's right arm is known to be prosthetic, it has to be stronger than natural. The RotJ duel is all plot device. Vader responds to Luke's onslaught by walking backwards. He responded to a similar attack in the ESB duel by slicing Luke's hand off. Luke may get stronger in the Force between the two films, but his saber technique doesn't change much. -----signature----- "Mara hath spoken," said Kyp. (that's a funny way to end my posts, rite? LUL) I LOVE HAT! JCC hat > life itself! http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org http://www.thehungersite.com SPOILER-FREE TILLLL EPISODE IV ~ "there aren't that many Ls in til." - farraday
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Kia-Ruse Registered: Feb '03	Date Posted: 3/1/03 9:18pm Subject: RE: Luke Vader duel
	Luke's style in ROTJ is just too aggressive to be any other form than V. I'm not saying it was a conscious decision to devote his style to Form V, like you said, he wasn't classically trained or would have much knowledge of the Seven Forms, but his youth, energy and emphasis in the Force overpowered his father who was, at the time, in no way prepared to fend off a 'jedi' that empowered. Very similar to the way he himself (Anakin) fought in AOTC. His confused feelings about how he felt, I'm sure, played a big part also. -----signature----- 'This.........is God!' Freddy Krueger A Nightmare on Elm Street (1984)
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