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MasterLuke83  80 posts
Registered: Mar '08
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Date Posted: 3/2/08 1:59pm Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
While the idea of seeing brand new versions of episodes 4-6 is interesting, it will never happen. The films are way too iconic and many scenes probably wouldnt play out as good. The best thing to do now is work with what we have and visually enhance them (as has been done) to flow well with the prequels. Thats all.

 
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crashdown  1855 posts
Title: Oregon FanForce Former CR
Registered: Nov '03
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Date Posted: 3/2/08 9:57pm Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
NO

 

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jedimasterbac  6256 posts
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Date Posted: 3/2/08 9:58pm Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade?? - Date Edited: 3/2/08 9:59pm (1 edits total) Edited By: jedimasterbac
crashdown posted:
NO


Interesting analysis. And how long did it take you to come up with that amazingly detailed theory? raised_brow

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crashdown  1855 posts
Title: Oregon FanForce Former CR
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Date Posted: 3/2/08 10:52pm Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
jedimasterbac posted:
crashdown posted:
NO


Interesting analysis. And how long did it take you to come up with that amazingly detailed theory? raised_brow

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BobaFrank  5731 posts
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Date Posted: 3/2/08 11:02pm Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
NO, never. Ask me about the PT.

 

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Avnar 
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Date Posted: 3/3/08 8:01pm Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
100% -no!

 
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HemDazon90  573 posts
Registered: Mar '08
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Date Posted: 3/4/08 7:38pm Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
dear god no looks at peter jackson and runs away Ahh

 

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TwiLekJedi  70038 posts
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Date Posted: 3/5/08 5:53am Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
done "eek"ing? Let's return to discussing the topic now instead of +1ing random interjections. Thank you.

 

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Vortigern99  6130 posts
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Date Posted: 3/5/08 8:41am Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
To any proponent of this idea of re-making the OT, I would ask how they might approach the following challenges:

1) Iconic FX shots -- e.g., the Star Destroyer overtaking the Blockade Runner at the beginning of 'ANH'; the cantina creatures in Mos Eisley; the AT-ATs in ESB; the eye-baffling mixture of ships over Endor in ROTJ

2) Dialogue -- More or less the same, exactly the same, or totally different?

3) Performance -- Actors that look and sound like the previous actors? Or a different group altogether? (Can you imagine Chewbacca with anyone else's eyes or body movements?) What about Vader's voice? Would JEJ be expected to re-dub all his own lines for this fiasco, I mean, project? Or would you simply re-use his voice work from the originals?

 

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jedimasterbac  6256 posts
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Date Posted: 3/5/08 9:25am Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade?? - Date Edited: 3/5/08 9:39am (1 edits total) Edited By: jedimasterbac
Vortigern99 posted:
1) Iconic FX shots -- e.g., the Star Destroyer overtaking the Blockade Runner at the beginning of 'ANH'; the cantina creatures in Mos Eisley; the AT-ATs in ESB; the eye-baffling mixture of ships over Endor in ROTJ


It's important that with iconic FX shots you keep the magic of the originals, though they don't have to be exactly the same. For the star destroyer and the blockade runner, that'd be the same if I was the director. For the creatures in the cantina, they'd still be made out of prosthetics but they'd be more life-like. For the AT-ATs on Hoth, they'd look the same but there'd be a lot more of them. As for the eye-baffling mixture of ships over Endor, those would also be there in all their glory. I wouldn't intend to make it all look like some video game like the prequels.

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2) Dialogue -- More or less the same, exactly the same, or totally different?


See, that's just the thing. I'd never want to see a shot for shot, line for line remake, because that's pointless. How many times has Invasion of the Body Snatchers been remade? Anyone remember the Psycho remake? That was God awful because you just can't capture the magic of the original when trying to make everything EXACTLY the same. What I would do if I was in charge of a remake is do a re-imagining starting with Episode I all the way to the end of the story. The core part of the story is the same and the characters go through the same basic events, like Anakin falling to the Dark Side and becoming Darth Vader and Luke redeeming him in the end, but I'd tell the story differently (which is what I'm doing with my fan fiction anyway, hence why I am in support of such an idea). It would basically be the Star Wars version of Batman Begins and Casino Royale, both incredible re-imaginings that started to tell the story differently than the movies that preceded it rather than remaking them.

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3) Performance -- Actors that look and sound like the previous actors? Or a different group altogether? (Can you imagine Chewbacca with anyone else's eyes or body movements?) What about Vader's voice? Would JEJ be expected to re-dub all his own lines for this fiasco, I mean, project? Or would you simply re-use his voice work from the originals?


I think with a re-imagining, or even a remake for that matter if such a thing ever happened (but I'll stick with discussing the re-imagining since that's my expertise), it's important to cast people that remind you of the previous actors but are not carbon copies of the previous actors. You don't want to cast someone who looks too much like Mark Hammil as Luke Skywalker because that'd be too distracting, but he should at least remind you of him. You should also cast someone for Luke that reminds you somewhat of Anakin and someone for Leia that reminds you somewhat of Padme. I've always had in mind three amazing actors to play the three major roles, and they remind me of the previous actors but they could still make the roles their own. My big three cast, as well as the other roles which include some people carrying over from the prequels, would be as follows:

Luke Skywalker - Tom Welling
Leia Organa - Keira Knightley
Han Solo - Ben Browder
Obi-Wan Kenobi - Ewan McGregor
Lando Calrissian - Will Smith
Darth Vader's voice - James Earl Jones (or if he's sadly no longer with him, someone who sounds like him whose voice can be altered a bit with a computer to sound more like JEJ)
Chewbacca - Peter Mayhew (or someone younger with the blessing and approval of Peter Mayhew)
Governor Tarkin - Christopher Walken
Emperor Palpatine - Ian McDiarmid
Yoda - Frank Oz

 

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Vortigern99  6130 posts
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Date Posted: 3/5/08 10:35am Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
So essentially you're proposing a re-imagining of the entire six-film Saga... and yet you'd keep intact certain key, iconic moments and shots such as the Blockade Runner and the multi-ship extravaganza over Endor. That certainly is an interesting idea, and if it were a comic book, for example, I'd be all for it. The whole "What If?" angle of story-telling has always appealed to me.

The problem with re-imagining the Saga as films in the vein of Batman Begins and Casino Royale is that those two examples are new cinematic depictions of the original vision of the source material. BB is more like the comics in character and conception than any other Batman film; and CR restores the plot and character of the original Fleming novel to this new screen interpretation.

With STAR WARS, the only original source material beyond the films themselves are the early drafts and script treatments which were discarded and shaped by the author(s) over time as they developed. A "reimagining" would either, 1) go back to such discarded drafts, which would seem to be offering up a less polished, more vague and underdeveloped set of stories and characters, in which case why bother?; or 2) invent a whole new "reimagined" set of stories and characters, wholly and materially different from either the films or their early drafts.

The question then becomes "Who is in charge of this cinematic re-imagining?" -- especially since Lucas himself would obviously never consent to it -- and why they should be the chosen arbitors of which elements of the Saga stay, which go and which undertake some kind of bizarre transformation according to the whims and personal aesthetics of the new authors.

Again, if this were to take place in any medium other than cinema, I'd be all for it. But movies have a way of canonizing and "icon-izing" its events and characters, and with STAR WARS, you see, that's already been done.

 

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jedimasterbac  6256 posts
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Date Posted: 3/5/08 11:56am Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
Vortigern99 posted:
So essentially you're proposing a re-imagining of the entire six-film Saga... and yet you'd keep intact certain key, iconic moments and shots such as the Blockade Runner and the multi-ship extravaganza over Endor. That certainly is an interesting idea, and if it were a comic book, for example, I'd be all for it. The whole "What If?" angle of story-telling has always appealed to me.

The problem with re-imagining the Saga as films in the vein of Batman Begins and Casino Royale is that those two examples are new cinematic depictions of the original vision of the source material. BB is more like the comics in character and conception than any other Batman film; and CR restores the plot and character of the original Fleming novel to this new screen interpretation.

With STAR WARS, the only original source material beyond the films themselves are the early drafts and script treatments which were discarded and shaped by the author(s) over time as they developed. A "reimagining" would either, 1) go back to such discarded drafts, which would seem to be offering up a less polished, more vague and underdeveloped set of stories and characters, in which case why bother?; or 2) invent a whole new "reimagined" set of stories and characters, wholly and materially different from either the films or their early drafts.


I've thought about that very issue many times when writing my own version of the saga. It was one of the reasons that, early on, I decided to go and make my own expanded universe and incorporate many elements of the original drafts. I have a group called the Jedi Bendu of the Ophuchi, which was originally the name of the Jedi, and a group called the Dark Guardians of Lettow, based on some of the original concepts of the Sith. I have a Kaiburr crystal. I have characters such as The Skywalker and Kane and Deak Starkiller. I have beliefs such as the Ashla as the Light Side and the Bogan as the Dark Side and the term "Force of Others" for the Force. I have a minor story involving the Princess of Ondus.

What I'm trying to say in what is basically a shameless self-promotional ramble is that there are so many amazing elements of the original drafts that can be incorporated into the a re-imagining of the saga. When I said earlier that you would take the films and put new situations into them, that was rather misleading of me to say. What I would do is exactly what I said before (keep the basics and change some situations) while adding in additional, new and original story elements based on my own ideas and the ideas from the original drafts. This would give it a lot of originality and a lot of credibility as a re-imagining/re-interpretation rather than a direct remake.

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The question then becomes "Who is in charge of this cinematic re-imagining?" -- especially since Lucas himself would obviously never consent to it -- and why they should be the chosen arbitors of which elements of the Saga stay, which go and which undertake some kind of bizarre transformation according to the whims and personal aesthetics of the new authors.


I personally think the arbitor, as you called the person, should be chosen based on two elements: a) is there story the best that anyone can come up with of what we've seen?; b) can we make a profit off of this? Granted, the latter makes it appear to be corporate Hollywood, but in the end it is a business and that's what a company like LucasFilm does have to concern themselves with. I also like the route that the makers of the new Star Trek movie are taking in terms of making sure everything in the film is in-line with canon from the other series and the other movies. They basically made a "Supreme Court" of canon with the producer, writers and other people with knowledge of the Trek universe. This idea could be reworked in a Star Wars re-imagining. They could help decide what elements of the films should remain in the new films, how things should be redesigned to keep the same feel, etc. The director obviously has final say, but he or she would have to put a lot of stock into what the Supreme Court of the films say.

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Again, if this were to take place in any medium other than cinema, I'd be all for it. But movies have a way of canonizing and "icon-izing" its events and characters, and with STAR WARS, you see, that's already been done.


Hence why I've opted for fan novels with my re-imagining/re-interpretation rather than fan films. I'd love to see my work made into films since obviously with my bias I think they'd be incredible, but novels have a way of letting you explore the way people feel and what they're thinking. It's a significant advantage over films.

 

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Vortigern99  6130 posts
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Date Posted: 3/5/08 1:54pm Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade?? - Date Edited: 3/5/08 6:01pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Vortigern99
thinking

As I've said, I welcome a print version -- comics or novel -- of a re-imagining like the one you describe; even an animated film along those lines could be pretty spectacular. Your description of melding early-draft plot elements and characters into one massive EU/OT/PT boiling pot is actually quite fascinating.

But I do draw the line at making a live-action film like this; IMO it would challenge and even devalue the moral integrity, subtle power and expert craftsmanship inherent in the original films. Perhaps in 100 years or more, when everyone involved in the productions and all the original audience members are dead, and the cultural memes of the Saga have been embedded even more deeply into the collective unconscious, such an epic and ambitious undertaking might have some merit.

 

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zombie  3417 posts
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Date Posted: 3/5/08 4:04pm Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
No matter what happens to Star Wars, the originals will still be the originals, they will always be remembered and cherished above all else, the same way that King Kong is still considered a classic when none of its two sequels, two remakes, and even more film spinoffs (ie King Kong Lives, King Kong Versus Godzilla) are remembered. Star Wars will be the same way, because you can never take away its place in history, and on a personal level we can still watch the same film we fell in love with. I guess you could argue that remakes and sequels cheapen the integrity of the film--but I would argue that, not only are genuinly strong films able to rise above that (ie King Kong), but that its already happened. Sequels, prequels, special editions, tv shows, novels, comic books, video games--the story's been bastardized in a million ways already. I would welcome a remake or re-imagining simply out of the fascination that such a thing would undoubtedly be, and you know that something like this is inevitable anyway.

 

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Darthdias  683 posts
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Date Posted: 3/5/08 5:08pm Subject: RE: Should the OT be remade??
I'm personally so invested in the actors, that I find it nearly impossible to accept anyone else playing the parts.

But it is not an idea without merit, to do a difefrent take on an established story. Sometimes when I watch ANH, I am struck by how the saga seemed like it would go in a completely different direction than ESB later took it. It seemed at that time, that it was a story of a large galaxy and characters randomly caugh up in a struggle of rebellion vs empire, with weerd aliens thrown in. The sequels kinda took a different path, making the trilgy into a Skywalker family affair. Because as good as ESB was, it was also very different in tone and atmosphere from ANH. I sometimes wonder how the saga would have turned out if the sequels had more closely followed the orginal movie.

A remake around those lines is a fun thought, but not something I think I actually want to se. As I said, I'm just too attached to the orginal actors. And unfortunately one can't have his cake and eat it too wink

 
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