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Lars_Muul Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 2/8/05 1:36am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 2/8/05 1:37am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lars_Muul
	Can anyone at TF.N understand the meaning of sarcasm? Sure we can, as long as you make clear that you are being sarcastic. If you sound 100% serious, we will think that you are 100% serious, because we cannot see your face. That's how it works. If you don't want to use smileys(which don't always make matters any better), you'll have to say something so weird that you couldn't possibly be serious. You must also remember that all people don't have the same sense of humor. Sarcasm is also very offensive, when used in the wrong place. On topic: Before the DVDs came out, I imagined a scene with Vader and Palpatine on Coruscant right before the end celebration in ANH, where they discussed the apprentice of Kenobi. The dialogue in the TESB scene would, of course, need to be altered slightly, so that it wasn't the first time they talked about him. Now that they've inserted Ian, with new dialogue, in TESB, I guess such a scene won't be happening. What I imagined, though, was that Palpatine would punish Vader for losing the Death Star, probably with Force choking. Then, he would let him go and start talking about Kenobi and that he left an apprentice behind. They would not know that it was a Skywalker yet. The scene would end with: - You must find him and destroy him. - Yes, my Master. Wouldn't that have been a nice way to build up excitement for TESB? Greedo still shoots first But not as much /LM
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Wesyeed Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 2/8/05 3:45am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 2/8/05 3:49am (3 edits total) Edited By: Wesyeed
	yeah, not seeing the emperor in ANH just doesn't give it that PT feel ya know. If GL's aim is to make the OT more like the PT and erase his award winning former wife's brilliant editing and/or suggestions for how to keep the story flowing properly, then I think he should seriously go for it. A lot of people give GL all the credit for star wars' success. And YES he deserves it. I don't care about all the talented people who have contributed to his vision. None of them matter. I think GL could make a star wars movie all by himself. Yeah, he should do it by himself, no one getting in the way, just GL and his camera. -----signature----- *Official Member of the CI0*
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Lars_Muul Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 2/8/05 4:48am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 2/8/05 4:48am (1 edits total) Edited By: Lars_Muul
	Now THAT's sarcasm, although seriously misplaced. I'm not giving Lucas all the credit for the movies and I'm sure as hell not saying that the Emperor NEEDS to be in ANH. All I was saying was that it would be a nice way to build some tension. I do not expect it to happen and I will not be displeased when it doesn't. I'm very happy with the way ANH is right now, so don't you for one second even think about implying that I have serious issues with it. I love Star Wars Live with that /LM
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JMaster Luke Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 2/8/05 7:56am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	If you insert a scene with the emperor and vader and the emperor says ..... "Find him and destroy him" that still doesnt explain how vader knows to look for a 'skywalker' i'd much rather see a scene of when vader first finds out about the pilot being named skywalker then just adding another version of the ESB scene between vader and the emperor. -----signature----- Check out my Star Wars Generations Action Figure Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9VWIvwY4Y 2nd! Star Wars: Generations Trailer.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiA0Ya1AgbM And Check out my Lost Fan Film here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efxX
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Wesyeed Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 2/8/05 9:19am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 2/8/05 9:33am (6 edits total) Edited By: Wesyeed
	Sorry if it came off harsh(usually the point of sarcasm, I know), just wanted to give a little demonstration of it's uses, even for something so insignificant. And that last paragraph was taking it to a new level of stupid. No one took that seriously did they? As for the emperor in ANH..hmm... could happen... who knows what GL's going to pull out of his magic hat next. ITSA MISTADEEEE!!!1 And the reason why Shaw can't be put back is because Anakin's sperm contained midichlorians with genetic information about his 20yrld self, not the 40 or 50 something guy we see in RotJ. I made a whole thread about it that i think is on the second page unless it was closed or deleted already. (Give boba his voice back too lucas. Temura is as good at VO as I am at grammar.) -----signature----- *Official Member of the CI0*
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Darth_Solidus Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 2/8/05 11:57am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	sheesh, time to get off of your Jedi sperm thing. To me, that sounds sarcastic. No smiley needed. "You must find him and destroy him" - funny, kinda makes the Emperor sound like Agent Smith. What I see in MY mind's eye is Vader in his TIE after the gets his bearings. A little Leia-sized hologram of Palpatine that contacts Vader once he senses that the DS has been shattered. As far as Hayden replacing Shaw at the end of ROTJ - no problem. Obi-wan appeared as he did when he died a Jedi, Yoda appeared as he did when he died a Jedi, and Anakin appears as he did when he died a Jedi. Just because he made a presto-chango death bed repentance doesn't make him a Jedi again. He spent more time being Sith Vader than he did being Jedi Anakin. Shaw needs to stay under the helmet, too. See, THIS face is what you get after 22 years of evil. Kinda like "this is your face, this is your face on Sith". At least that's the way I see it... TM's voice is fine for Boba. Environment change this, different influence that - he's the same person!!! It's makes perfect sense. A little off topic but not really - a friend got me the Matrix Ultimate set for X-mas and it rocks (yes, all three movies rock). 4 features discs and 6 extra discs - 6 DISCS!!! So, when these are released in '07 it'll be a shame if the 6-disc saga doesn't have at LEAST 5 discs extra. A disc for each movie isn't needed, but anything you could possibly want Star Wars in 1 neat little box. -----signature----- Palpatine toyed with Windu.
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Lars_Muul Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 2/8/05 12:05pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	I agree about The Matrix. It ROCKS. It's one of my three favorite movie trilogies(you can never guess the other two ). The bonus material kicks ass, as well. I know, that Emperor line sounds a lot like Smith A Palpy hologram in Vader's TIE is a cool idea! I don't know how good it would look, though. Might come off as a bit silly. Star Wars is everything you want it to be /LM
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Wesyeed Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 2/8/05 12:20pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	(As far as Hayden replacing Shaw at the end of ROTJ - no problem. Obi-wan appeared as he did when he died a Jedi, Yoda appeared as he did when he died a Jedi, and Anakin appears as he did when he died a Jedi. Just because he made a presto-chango death bed repentance doesn't make him a Jedi again. He spent more time being Sith Vader than he did being Jedi Anakin. Shaw needs to stay under the helmet, too. See, THIS face is what you get after 22 years of evil. Kinda like "this is your face, this is your face on Sith". At least that's the way I see it...) Not being sarcastic, just trying to explain it without theorizing about what it means to be a Jedi. The reason Ani even turns up as a ghost at the end is because of his deeds during RotJ, so it made sense back when the original movie was released that the person who fought the dark side and won deserved his freedom. But now it's a little different, a little more complicated. My explaination pertains to the superficial side of this new addition. He only looks like the new Anakin because, like it or not, Luke has to have some idea what he looks like to see an image in his mind and Luke NEVER saw his father as a young man, nor is star wars about mystical religious miracles like Luke retaining an image of what his father looks like in his heart. So I try it from a scientific approach and I think it works. I can't remember if GL said anything about it on the DVD and would be interested in it if he did. TM's VO work seems like a template for something better coming down the road, but to each their own. -----signature----- *Official Member of the CI0*
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TwiLekJedi Title: Classic Trilogy Manager Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 2/8/05 12:33pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	"The Matrix is overrated", Mace Windy -----signature----- We do what we must Because we can For the good of all of us Except the ones who are dead
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Lars_Muul Registered: Oct '00	Date Posted: 2/8/05 1:13pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 2/8/05 1:15pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Lars_Muul
	Actually, it's vastly underrated. Windy is wrong GL did comment on it on the DVD. He said that Anakin retains his identity the way it was when he died as Anakin Skywalker(and I do not think he meant that literally). Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker /LM
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JMaster Luke Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 2/8/05 3:26pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	No thoughts on a scene of Vader finding out for the first time that there is a skywalker? Seeing as how he already knows from the start of ESB that the pilots name is Luke Skywalker, that means that sometime between the destruction of the DS and when ESB, Vader finds out the pilots name is Luke skywalker. And again if the whole saga is about Anakin, then this is one of the most important things that happen in vaders life....for the first time he finds out that he has a son. This is HUGE. Now wouldn't that be great to see? -----signature----- Check out my Star Wars Generations Action Figure Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9VWIvwY4Y 2nd! Star Wars: Generations Trailer.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiA0Ya1AgbM And Check out my Lost Fan Film here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efxX
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Darth_Solidus Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 2/8/05 3:31pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	Can't really say too much about that because of possible links to Ep3... Doesn't matter for me right now. My local Target has the Preview Figures and I'm holding General Grievous. Sweet!!! 97 days and counting... -----signature----- Palpatine toyed with Windu.
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DARTHFINGERZ Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 2/8/05 4:37pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 2/8/05 4:43pm (2 edits total) Edited By: DARTHFINGERZ
	"No thoughts on a scene of Vader finding out for the first time that there is a skywalker?" Hmm, I never thought of that - it IS pretty important. The thing is I don't know if Vader could realistically find out that SOON the name and true identity of Luke through means of spies or whatever - could he? I INSTEAD see Vader returning to Coruscant and speaking to Palaptine (in hologram form) about the DS's destruction, Tarkin's demise and how they must now "strike back" and they'll start by finding out the identity of the hero pilot whose "strong with the force". When they are through speaking Vader turns off the hologram and we see him think for a moment silently.... Perhaps Vader then gestures in some subtle way as if he suddenly senses upon reflection "through the force" who the pilot could be...... BANG! There's your "moment". Vader isn't told it...he is shown instead "feeling" it. The right John Williams music @ this moment could also lead us to beleive something just triggered in Vader's head. Best part is - "the viewers" can take this scene as meaning "the moment Vader figures out he has a son - Luke" OR some may see it as only a quiet scene of Vader thinking. The ambiguity is what could make this work!!! As we all know....EsB comes next & Vader is already searching for Luke "his son" who he (by this time) clearly KNOWS. -----signature----- You just watch yourself. I'm a wanted man... I have the DEATH SENTENCE on twelve SW messageboards.
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Wesyeed Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 2/8/05 4:46pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 2/8/05 4:49pm (3 edits total) Edited By: Wesyeed
	Nah.. the opening text suffices. I don't need to see Vader searching the internet for the Rebel roster to see who blew up the technological terror. The empire probably intercepted transmissions from the rebel fighters, and it so happens that one of the red squadron, Biggs, mentions Luke by name. Not hard to find out who that was if you search for Luke...something in the Rebel records left behind on their abandoned bases. Or through spies or something, as long as he know who he's looking for. Who wants to see extra shots of Vader whipping out his saber and slicing up some rebels in the Hoth battle? I do. -----signature----- *Official Member of the CI0*
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Sanctuary_Moon Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 2/9/05 2:15am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	Anakin appears as he did when he died a Jedi. Just because he made a presto-chango death bed repentance doesn't make him a Jedi again. [cough]The movie's called Return of the Jedi[/cough] -----signature----- "There will only be one (Special Edition).....it'll be the final cut. The other one will be some sort of interesting artefact that people will look at and say, 'There was an earlier draft of this'." – George Lucas, February 1997
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